Heckeroo Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 we will have to give up an everyday player and some top prospects, we will have to give up A LOT. We might as well make it bigger by getting a bullpen guy. You look at their pen, and you cringe, the only viable person I see there for us is Scott Sullivan. Take him. This will not happen, and i'm not sure if I even want it to happen, but to get a lot, you have to give up a lot, that's the point most of you are missing. KC Recieves: Jeff Conine Jason Stokes Josh Willingham Joe Dillon Marlins Recieve: Carlos Beltran Scott Sullivan PTBNL maybe i'm just trying to give up too much, but i haven't seen one viable trade proposal. Beltran for stokes, abe and Castro? Come on guys, that's not going to happen, we all know that. This might not even be enough, but it might be, depending on how desperate the royals are for a catcher in the future and to get something for beltran. Discuss. Feel free to tweak it, or completely trash it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatOne Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 You mean give up too little. No way they take Conine at over 2 mil next year when their trying to cut down on payroll and your only giving them one prospect really in Stokes. They want at least 2 prospects in return for Beltran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 I do not want Conine going anywhere. If we win the title this year, it'll be with Mr. Marlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 you want Beltran? here is what you are losing Stokes, Hutchinson, Olsen, Jai Miller, Mike Neu and another young guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatOne Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 I do not want Conine going anywhere. If we win the title this year, it'll be with Mr. Marlin. Neither do I. He's Mr. Marlin and I would like for him to retire as a Marlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc marlin Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 you want Beltran? here is what you are losing Stokes, Hutchinson, Olsen, Jai Miller, Mike Neu and another young guy You know that Willingham would have to be in the deal. They want a catcher and third baseman. Anyway, I'm tired of the Beltran threads. Oh, and Jai Miller is a bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishfan25 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 giving kc way tooo much. no deal. take dillon out of the deal and maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc marlin Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 giving kc way tooo much. no deal. take dillon out of the deal and maybe Dillon has no spot here as of right now and he's 28 years old. I don't think he has any trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 giving kc way tooo much. no deal. take dillon out of the deal and maybe :lol Dillon is a no one he has very little trade value and you are right NC, Willy would have to be included.... unless they wanted Ramon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marlin Man Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 dillon is a monster :shifty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 dillon is going to be the rob stratton thsi year. a non prospect in AAA that everyone gets a hardon for. we have no viable 3b in our system. until KC gets realistic......Beltran isnt going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marlin Man Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 dillon is going to be the rob stratton thsi year. a non prospect in AAA that everyone gets a hardon for. we have no viable 3b in our system. until KC gets realistic......Beltran isnt going anywhere. dillon hits for much better average and has a much better OBP than stratton had... i'm not saying he is a prospect but who knows, maybe he can hit in the mlb too i just dont think stratton is a fair comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc marlin Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 KC really has a bad market this year. A few years back the same player would bring 3 top prospects. They are only asking two. It isn't in our best interests to deal Dillon because he has no trade value so he doesn't help a trade get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 stratton = old AAA player with no prospect status. dillon = old AAA player with no prospect status. they bring different thigns to the table....but both have less trade value than Ramon Castro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolfinfan305 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 To make it happen, i think it would take Jason Stokes, Josh Willingham, Scott Olsen...Would i make the deal - NO. Too much to give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marlin Man Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 stratton = old AAA player with no prospect status. dillon = old AAA player with no prospect status. they bring different thigns to the table....but both have less trade value than Ramon Castro. well look at it like this out of those two players, which is more likely to play in the MLB not that either has a chance but who would you see first? i think dillon, and i think dillon is still young enough that, if he continues anywhere near the pace that he is going, he can be on a ML bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 dillon is 28. the royals want guys that are young and have upside. if dillon were 24 he would have tremendous value.....but he is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marlin Man Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 dillon is 28. the royals want guys that are young and have upside. if dillon were 24 he would have tremendous value.....but he is not. i'm not saying the royals would want him. i'm still just saying that it is unfair to compare him to stratton as he has much more value than stratton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 dillon is 28. the royals want guys that are young and have upside. if dillon were 24 he would have tremendous value.....but he is not. i'm not saying the royals would want him. i'm still just saying that it is unfair to compare him to stratton as he has much more value than stratton no he doesnt. castro has more and thats not exactly saying much. hell nunez probably has more also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 stratton = old AAA player with no prospect status. dillon = old AAA player with no prospect status. they bring different thigns to the table....but both have less trade value than Ramon Castro. Kevin Millar, in 1999 was 28 years old. That was also the first year he started to get some regular ABs... So I think Dillon has much more value than Stratton because he is a better hitter. In fact, I think Dillon could be a Millar type...why not give him a chance? 28 means nothing. Time to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 you want Beltran? here is what you are losing Stokes, Hutchinson, Olsen, Jai Miller, Mike Neu and another young guy Kevin Olsen? Done. Scott Olsen? Done. If you can get Beltran, you get him. I dont think it will take as much as people think because of Bora$$. Whoever gets him wont re-sign him, unless it is a big market team. In which case, they dont have enough talent to offer and they could be outbid by smaller market teams, like ourselves. The best chance to get Beltran? The Mets. They got a stud 3B prospect who seems to be a target. But I dont think the Mets are crazy about losing him - especially what it will cost to sign Beltran and they already have an OF. Now, Willingham used to be a 3B, right? What about giving him up for Beltran? I dont like it either, but it is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLinkinPark Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 That Stud 3B Prospect you are talkin about Jonny, the mets recently said is unavalable. The Closer it gets to the Trade Deadline, the better chance you will have to give up less to get beltran... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 stratton = old AAA player with no prospect status. dillon = old AAA player with no prospect status. they bring different thigns to the table....but both have less trade value than Ramon Castro. Kevin Millar, in 1999 was 28 years old. That was also the first year he started to get some regular ABs... So I think Dillon has much more value than Stratton because he is a better hitter. In fact, I think Dillon could be a Millar type...why not give him a chance? 28 means nothing. Time to play. tehn give him the call. i doubt he will ever amount to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 We don't need Beltran. We'd be just fine with a reliever and a decent OF bat to platoon with Conine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugg Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 We don't need to mortgage the farm for a half-year rental. I mean, yes, Beltran is awesome and, yes, it makes us a much better team, but we'd give up way too much to do it and it's not like we're the kind of franchise that'll just go out and sign someone else in the off-season to make up for it. I know we did it last year and it worked, but you can't do that every year, or we'll end up with a farm system like the Yankees. Only we don't have the cash to make it not matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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