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Funny that even Scalia agrees that the right to privacy within the fundamental fairness of the due process clause exists-Bowers v Hardwick.

 

 

Tell me, being a strict constructionist, how do you advocate half of the foreign policy stuff the President has done? You cant seriously believe it all comes strictly from the text or the framers?

 

God bless the common law.

My answer: None of the above.

 

SCOTUS should never have granted cert to Roe v Wade. IMO, this is a state rather than fed issue. Reading a"right" to, or "prohibition of" an abortion into the Constitution is tenuous at best.

 

The anti-abortion crowd clearly wants to impose Judeo-Christian religious belief in seeking prohibitions. This is so, because there are other cultures/religions where abortions are common as dirt and often used as defacto birth control measures (ex. Japan).

 

The pro-abortion crowd, puts the courts in the unenviable position of having to define CRISPLY at what point "Constitutionally protected life" begins by pushing the issue of partial-birth abortions. The ripple effect consequences of such a decision through the rest of the whole body of law are staggering. The notion that a difference of a few inches more or less in the path through the birth canal for anotherwise viable baby would be the dividing line is silly. Biological viability, mental development, etc are clearly NOT measured in inches.

I agree it should be up to the states....personally, i feel it is wrong.

 

I read somewhere that abortion technically isn't legal because there was never a LAW created legalizing it...it was decided in the Supreme Court....the judiciary branch, not the legislative branch. I don't know what the deal is with that, but it sounds interesting. :confused

i also feel that all these "pro-life" politicians are a bunch of b.s....nothing has been done in the sake of pro-life...abortion is still allowed...everywhere. If they REALLY wanted to get things done about it, they would...instead they choose to avoid it.

I personally feel it is wrong and should be illegal.

 

However, at this point, there will be more damage done by making it illegal then by keeping it the way it is.

Except for Flying Mollusk, who wishes to remain gender neutral, all of the replies have been from males.

 

When you can give birth to a child, then come talk to me about your rights.

 

It is and should always be up to the female and the states, unfortunatly have overwhelming majorities of men in their legislature.

 

 

 

In all the controversy surrounding abortion, I haven't heard one group come forward willing to adopt the 'unwanted' child. Americans are so desperate for children we will adopt foreign children before our own. There's something wrong with that.

I have no love for babies, or fetuses, but I think we should allow all abortions but partial birth unless the mother's life is threatened.

Outlaw.

Except for Flying Mollusk, who wishes to remain gender neutral,

 

Huh? :blink:

 

Im a dude.

Except for Flying Mollusk, who wishes to remain gender neutral,

 

Huh? :blink:

 

Im a dude. I believe you but under your profile, the gender box is empty- no male or female is answered.

 

That's the only reason I guessed gender neutral.

 

I wasn't impuning your manhood.

 

Sorry, dude.

Its cool. I was kidding too.

 

But if youll excuse me, Im gonna lift some weights and eat some raw meat.

I can smell the sweat and hear the grunting now.

I put outlaw, although I believe that if the birth has a high chance of killing the mother, abortion should be allowed.

 

Heres the deal, it's called responsibility. Last time I checked you have to have sex to get pregnant.

From reading all the posts I think that the general consensus here (Much like in the rest of the US) is somewhat moderate, with the common ground lying somewhere in between the extremes.

 

And herein lies the problem. In the current political climate there is no moderate position. Every significant arguement of political resonance has become polarized to the extreme.

 

GOP -v- DNC

Left -v- Right

Prochoice-Prolife

 

And on and on and on.....

Except for Flying Mollusk, who wishes to remain gender neutral, all of the replies have been from males.

 

When you can give birth to a child, then come talk to me about your rights.

 

It is and should always be up to the female and the states, unfortunatly have overwhelming majorities of men in their legislature.

 

 

 

In all the controversy surrounding abortion, I haven't heard one group come forward willing to adopt the 'unwanted' child. Americans are so desperate for children we will adopt foreign children before our own. There's something wrong with that.

Havent heard of one group come forward willing to adpot the unwanted child? There is a waiting list for adoptions...if anything, there are a shortage of birthed unwanted babies (that sounds very wierd, but the point is that there are more people seeking to adopt a baby than there are people seeking to put their baby up for adoption).

 

As DetroitWhat22 pointed out, it's about responsibility. I said in a previous abortion thread that abortion is an easy way out. I'm not a woman, this is true. But if needed, I could have my mother or a female friend come onto this board and post what I'm posting. I have mixed feelings about incest or rape situations or dangerous situations for the mother...but other than that, abortion should most definitely be outlawed. It's a cop out. Yah, the condom broke...I mean, that sucks...but that's your responsibility, and taking the way out should never mean killing a fetus. Responsibility is the key. It almost sounds like, phoenix, that because we have a penis, we are not qualified to have a pro-life stance. The woman goes through serious discomfort and pain for 9 months, but she also had sex to cause that. Just as the saying "it takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but one moment to lose it", the same goes here...it takes one sexual encounter to cause the pregnancy. It's how it goes. That...is life.

It is fairly common to see more men oppose abortion than support it... Of course, they all are quick to blame the woman who gets pregnant and decides to have an abortion. They are quick to point out how "easy" it is to take this decision... None of you have the right to even have that opinion, for none of you will ever be on the position of a pregnant woman. You can not know what factors play in a woman's decision to not carry her pregnancy to term. You will never know, therefore you are talking of something you have not a clue.

 

That said. I think abortion should never be outlawed unless it is partial birth abortion, because IN MY OPINION (my opinion only) at this point the fetus is no longer a mass of cells, but a baby tha has already developed a brain, spinal cord and limbs; therefore it can feel pain and be killed. Even in this case, if the mother is in clear danger of death, then the abortion should be allowed.

Except for Flying Mollusk, who wishes to remain gender neutral, all of the replies have been from males.

 

When you can give birth to a child, then come talk to me about your rights.

 

It is and should always be up to the female and the states, unfortunatly have overwhelming majorities of men in their legislature.

 

 

 

In all the controversy surrounding abortion, I haven't heard one group come forward willing to adopt the 'unwanted' child. Americans are so desperate for children we will adopt foreign children before our own. There's something wrong with that.

Havent heard of one group come forward willing to adpot the unwanted child? There is a waiting list for adoptions...if anything, there are a shortage of birthed unwanted babies (that sounds very wierd, but the point is that there are more people seeking to adopt a baby than there are people seeking to put their baby up for adoption).

 

As DetroitWhat22 pointed out, it's about responsibility. I said in a previous abortion thread that abortion is an easy way out. I'm not a woman, this is true. But if needed, I could have my mother or a female friend come onto this board and post what I'm posting. I have mixed feelings about incest or rape situations or dangerous situations for the mother...but other than that, abortion should most definitely be outlawed. It's a cop out. Yah, the condom broke...I mean, that sucks...but that's your responsibility, and taking the way out should never mean killing a fetus. Responsibility is the key. It almost sounds like, phoenix, that because we have a penis, we are not qualified to have a pro-life stance. The woman goes through serious discomfort and pain for 9 months, but she also had sex to cause that. Just as the saying "it takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but one moment to lose it", the same goes here...it takes one sexual encounter to cause the pregnancy. It's how it goes. That...is life. Furmangator, would you agree then that if abortion is made illegal, there should be a law compelling men to take care of the children they father? I dont mean the nancy ass child support laws, which dont do anything. Perhaps something more serious?? I mean the responsibility goes both ways right? I bet if you propose this to half the pro life men, theyd go running for the hills(not a presumption on your response or views though).

Except for Flying Mollusk, who wishes to remain gender neutral, all of the replies have been from males.

 

When you can give birth to a child, then come talk to me about your rights.

 

It is and should always be up to the female and the states, unfortunatly have overwhelming majorities of men in their legislature.

 

 

 

In all the controversy surrounding abortion, I haven't heard one group come forward willing to adopt the 'unwanted' child.? Americans are so desperate for children we will adopt foreign children before our own.? There's something wrong with that.

Havent heard of one group come forward willing to adpot the unwanted child? There is a waiting list for adoptions...if anything, there are a shortage of birthed unwanted babies (that sounds very wierd, but the point is that there are more people seeking to adopt a baby than there are people seeking to put their baby up for adoption).

 

As DetroitWhat22 pointed out, it's about responsibility. I said in a previous abortion thread that abortion is an easy way out. I'm not a woman, this is true. But if needed, I could have my mother or a female friend come onto this board and post what I'm posting. I have mixed feelings about incest or rape situations or dangerous situations for the mother...but other than that, abortion should most definitely be outlawed. It's a cop out. Yah, the condom broke...I mean, that sucks...but that's your responsibility, and taking the way out should never mean killing a fetus. Responsibility is the key. It almost sounds like, phoenix, that because we have a penis, we are not qualified to have a pro-life stance. The woman goes through serious discomfort and pain for 9 months, but she also had sex to cause that. Just as the saying "it takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but one moment to lose it", the same goes here...it takes one sexual encounter to cause the pregnancy. It's how it goes. That...is life. Furmangator, would you agree then that if abortion is made illegal, there should be a law compelling men to take care of the children they father? I dont mean the nancy ass child support laws, which dont do anything. Perhaps something more serious?? I mean the responsibility goes both ways right? I bet if you propose this to half the pro life men, theyd go running for the hills(not a presumption on your response or views though). I see what you're saying, good point. Men should have to take responsibility (many do a poor job nowadays), and this is a major issue. Perhaps we should strengthen the child support laws to lessen the burden on single mothers. Responsibility does go both ways.

F_M...i totally agree with what you said. It isnt fair to the woman to have to take all the blame (or responsibility) because she carries the child. Fact is, it's both the father and the mother's child, and the father should have to care for it.

 

I definitely agree F_M...it just gets complicated with $ issues, dna testing, custody, etc....but that's another can of worms

Except for Flying Mollusk, who wishes to remain gender neutral, all of the replies have been from males.

 

When you can give birth to a child, then come talk to me about your rights.

 

It is and should always be up to the female and the states, unfortunatly have overwhelming majorities of men in their legislature.

 

 

 

In all the controversy surrounding abortion, I haven't heard one group come forward willing to adopt the 'unwanted' child.? Americans are so desperate for children we will adopt foreign children before our own.? There's something wrong with that.

Havent heard of one group come forward willing to adpot the unwanted child? There is a waiting list for adoptions...if anything, there are a shortage of birthed unwanted babies (that sounds very wierd, but the point is that there are more people seeking to adopt a baby than there are people seeking to put their baby up for adoption).

 

As DetroitWhat22 pointed out, it's about responsibility. I said in a previous abortion thread that abortion is an easy way out. I'm not a woman, this is true. But if needed, I could have my mother or a female friend come onto this board and post what I'm posting. I have mixed feelings about incest or rape situations or dangerous situations for the mother...but other than that, abortion should most definitely be outlawed. It's a cop out. Yah, the condom broke...I mean, that sucks...but that's your responsibility, and taking the way out should never mean killing a fetus. Responsibility is the key. It almost sounds like, phoenix, that because we have a penis, we are not qualified to have a pro-life stance. The woman goes through serious discomfort and pain for 9 months, but she also had sex to cause that. Just as the saying "it takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but one moment to lose it", the same goes here...it takes one sexual encounter to cause the pregnancy. It's how it goes. That...is life. Furmangator, would you agree then that if abortion is made illegal, there should be a law compelling men to take care of the children they father? I dont mean the nancy ass child support laws, which dont do anything. Perhaps something more serious?? I mean the responsibility goes both ways right? I bet if you propose this to half the pro life men, theyd go running for the hills(not a presumption on your response or views though). it's the woman that gets knocked up, so she should be the one responsible for the birth control

it's the woman that gets knocked up, so she should be the one responsible for the birth control

Do you think that argument will fly when you are standing in front of a judge in a paternity suit? Do you think she will excuse you from paying child-support when you say, "Hey, Judge, I'm just a man. Birth-control was her responsibility"? Good luck with that.

I voted yes unless of cases of rape, incest or life & death.

I believe abortion SHOULD be a health procedure only. It is NOT birth control, like it's being used as today.

and lina, are you implying that anyone who doesn't knows what it's like to have a child (firsthand) should not have an opinion on abortion?

 

So only people who have been pregnant can make a judgement as to whether abortion is right or not...interesting...so, unless you have been pregnant (i dont know if you have or not lina, and if you dont tell us that is fine by me...that's your personal life) you don't know what it IS like.

 

In the end, it's still a cop out...it's taking the easy way out

and lina, are you implying that anyone who doesn't knows what it's like to have a child (firsthand) should not have an opinion on abortion?

 

So only people who have been pregnant can make a judgement as to whether abortion is right or not...interesting...so, unless you have been pregnant (i dont know if you have or not lina, and if you dont tell us that is fine by me...that's your personal life) you don't know what it IS like.

 

In the end, it's still a cop out...it's taking the easy way out

ZING! This is were the liberal trap sucks up the feminist group. It's "women's rights" my arse.

and lina, are you implying that anyone who doesn't knows what it's like to have a child (firsthand) should not have an opinion on abortion?

 

So only people who have been pregnant can make a judgement as to whether abortion is right or not...interesting...so, unless you have been pregnant (i dont know if you have or not lina, and if you dont tell us that is fine by me...that's your personal life) you don't know what it IS like.

 

In the end, it's still a cop out...it's taking the easy way out

Please read my post again. That is all I have to say.