July 6, 200422 yr I don't see anything wrong with knowing this pitch. The WTF factor would get hitters uneasy quickly. 443201[/snapback] There's nothing wrong with the euphus pitch, either. But that doesn't mean I want an MLB pitcher throwing it.
July 6, 200422 yr Author The ephus pitch was used several times in the All Star Game...comedy soon followed. I call it the gerbil pitch.
July 6, 200422 yr It never hurts to learn another pitch, you don't even have to use it. 442804[/snapback] Dontrelle needs to focus on his terrible changeup and bad curveball... not a knuckler.
July 6, 200422 yr B/c Wakefield's Knuckleball is doing around 65MPH. Yours is probably topping out at 40. 443195[/snapback] My rough calculations suggest a 40mph pitch thrown at a relatively flat trajectory, hits the ground well before it reaches the plate... 32'/sec/sec (ignoring atmospheric drag at such low descent speeds) 443208[/snapback] knuckleballs (or most pitches, for that matter) arent thrown at flat trajectories though.
July 6, 200422 yr Cape, why do you do us all a favor and keep cutting and pasting the Fox affiliates that are showing the Marlins games and leave the serious baseball talk to others. That has got to be the most asenine statement I have ever seen on this Board, and believe me, there are tons of them here! Yeah, why don't we teach a 22 year old and a 24 year old a pitch that neither of them is capable of doing, and having nobody on our staff capable of teaching it. You make it sound as if this was a video game and you're merely "editing" a player! I'm sorry, but I've got to say it again, that has got to be one of the dumber posts ever made!
July 6, 200422 yr Cape, why do you do us all a favor and keep cutting and pasting the Fox affiliates that are showing the Marlins games and leave the serious baseball talk to others *Dons flame-retardant suit* Tell us how you really feel? *Feels the love*
July 6, 200422 yr Well, I am a fan of the knuckleball. But a screwgie would be a better idea for Trelle. I honestly don't see the problem with Josh throwing a knuckler. Now, is he going to go through the trouble to learn it? No. Would it make him alot better? Certainly.
July 6, 200422 yr Getting back to the original question of this thread, should DW and Beckett learn knuckleballs? The answer is simply "no". The delivery of a knuckleball is completely a different one from anything else these guys have in their reportoire. It would be immediately obvious to the MLB hitter it was coming. It also messes with your mechanics bigtime. And pitching successfully depends on estabishing a rhythm. What would be easier to master might be Bill "Spaceman" Lee's eephus pitch. It was alternately called the "Leephus". It's that slow, big-arched ultra slow curve that looks like you'd expect in a forty year old cartoon featuring Goofy. Willis could be unhittable (a wild exaggeration) with that thing coming from behind his back.
July 7, 200422 yr dude tell me u guys aren serious ....you have pitchers who are proven that they have major league stuff you dont just go out and mess wit thier whole routine beacuse it looks funny in video games and besides do ever think traneor or red and possibly willy would ever call that pitch in a real game you should practice how you play if ur not gonna throw the pitch dont waste your time practice changing speed
July 7, 200422 yr Getting back to the original question of this thread, should DW and Beckett learn knuckleballs? The answer is simply "no". The delivery of a knuckleball is completely a different one from anything else these guys have in their reportoire. It would be immediately obvious to the MLB hitter it was coming. It also messes with your mechanics bigtime. And pitching successfully depends on estabishing a rhythm. What would be easier to master might be Bill "Spaceman" Lee's eephus pitch. It was alternately called the "Leephus". It's that slow, big-arched ultra slow curve that looks like you'd expect in a forty year old cartoon featuring Goofy. Willis could be unhittable (a wild exaggeration) with that thing coming from behind his back. 444063[/snapback] El Duque threw the eephus pitch rather well a couple years back if I remember correctly.
July 7, 200422 yr The real eephus pitch went up like 40 feet in the air. The guy got in a hunting acicdent and so he had to throw like that.
July 7, 200422 yr Oh my, i just didnt hear this. Knuckleballs are very harsh on the arm believe it or not. Im a pitcher, and i have a proffesional pitching coach that told me that. Knuckleballs are for pitchers who cant throw over 85 no more. Willis and beckett arent gonna become Junk pitchers and mess up their future like that.
July 7, 200422 yr beckett isnt a knuckleball pitcher and and for willis it would be hard as phuk to throw it w/ his delivery...knuckleball is a hard ass pitch to control
July 7, 200422 yr It would be immediately obvious to the MLB hitter it was coming. It also messes with your mechanics bigtime. And pitching successfully depends on estabishing a rhythm. 444063[/snapback] Wakefields victims "know" its coming... 445421[/snapback] I think you missed the point. Wakefield throws a variety of junk. Neither Beckett nor Willis do. While you may not know what junk Wakefield is going to throw on any given pitch, my point is with two erstwhile fastballers throwing a knuckleball will be immediately obvious to the batter. Not to mention what it will do to their rhythm.
July 7, 200422 yr It would be immediately obvious to the MLB hitter it was coming. It also messes with your mechanics bigtime. And pitching successfully depends on estabishing a rhythm. 444063[/snapback] Wakefields victims "know" its coming... 445421[/snapback] I think you missed the point. Wakefield throws a variety of junk. Neither Beckett nor Willis do. While you may not know what junk Wakefield is going to throw on any given pitch, my point is with two erstwhile fastballers throwing a knuckleball will be immediately obvious to the batter. Not to mention what it will do to their rhythm. 445480[/snapback] My point is it gives them something to fall back on when their "rhythm" is blown. What do Train (or Penny/Beckett for that matter) do when struggling now? Fastball down the middle - not very creative, often disasterous. 445513[/snapback] lololololol
July 7, 200422 yr Author I think I should reclarify why I posted this thought. The knuckleball is not meant to get outs. It is that pitch you throw to get the second strike in the 1-1 or 0-1 count. This is something that could also allow them to better use their other pitches because the hitter has no clue what could be coming.
July 7, 200422 yr I remember when I was taught the knuckleball (only pitch I cna throw due to my right arm not being dominant enough over the left) and it is a pitch I could throw even with my blister problems. Josh should learn this pitch as a way to help him deal with the blisters and Willis should learn it as a pitch he can use to keep hitter off balance. 442792[/snapback] That is a dumb post. Plain and simple. Almost comical.
July 8, 200422 yr That leave "the pitching to the pitcher" statement is about as dumb as the pretend Met fan that showed up.
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