July 31, 200421 yr I like the trade when i look at it quick but then i look at the players ages, i cringe. Lo Duca is 32, Walker is 37 and Mota is 31. We need guys that are young and productive so that they can be here producing for years to come and have better trade value if we ever need to trade them again.
July 31, 200421 yr Fran, just because they were on our team and we liked them does not make then great. Mota is one of baseball's top setup men. Yes, put him up with Gordon, FRod, Dotel last season, etc. I love Hee Seop....but a .270 24 64 year is not GREAT for a first baseman. Lo Duca right now is the 2nd best hitting catcher in the NL behind Kendall. At 1B right now in the NL who is better than Choi? Pujols, Helton, Thome, Lee, Overbay, Casey, Piazza, Hillenbrand. Shawn Green, Nevin and Bagwell. And 6-7 of these guys listed I'd take for Choi any day in a trade.
July 31, 200421 yr Seems like all we did was cut payroll. Makes you wonder what they're doing. Are they taking a risk on Walker's health? Are they clearing payroll for next year? Did Loria make a bad art investment? Is Loria attracting new minority owners on the condition that they get in the black? I don't know, ages and contracts aside it still doesn't make sense.
July 31, 200421 yr I love Hee Seop....but a .270 24 64 year is not GREAT for a first baseman. 484908[/snapback] what do you think of his replacement at first base... .260, 15 hr a year? and what do you think of an outfielder who hits .235 with a .289 obp and .411 slg? unheard of, no?
July 31, 200421 yr I love Hee Seop....but a .270 24 64 year is not GREAT for a first baseman. But a .390 OBP and 15-25 HRs for a 25yo is. Lo Duca right now is the 2nd best hitting catcher in the NL behind Kendall. 484908[/snapback] And after his annual second-year decline he'll drop to 5th or 6th.
July 31, 200421 yr Fran, just because they were on our team and we liked them does not make then great. Mota is one of baseball's top setup men. Yes, put him up with Gordon, FRod, Dotel last season, etc. I love Hee Seop....but a .270 24 64 year is not GREAT for a first baseman. Lo Duca right now is the 2nd best hitting catcher in the NL behind Kendall. At 1B right now in the NL who is better than Choi? Pujols, Helton, Thome, Lee, Overbay, Casey, Piazza, Hillenbrand. Shawn Green, Nevin and Bagwell. And 6-7 of these guys listed I'd take for Choi any day in a trade. 484908[/snapback] I'd take Choi over most of those guys for the simple fact that he's cheap and young. Lo Duca is an offensive downgrade to Choi, and Enc is a huge offensive downgrade to Choi. There is no doubt that Brad Penny is the best player in that trade. While I do like that we got Mota, no reliever has more value than a productive starting pitcher or starting position player.
July 31, 200421 yr Cut payroll? Lo Duca $4,066,667 Encarnacion $3,565,000 Mota $1,475,000 Penny $3,725,000 Choi $310,000 I was never good at Math but I believe Loria just added $5MM in payroll (based on an entire season)
July 31, 200421 yr Cut payroll? Lo Duca $4,066,667 Encarnacion $3,565,000 Mota $1,475,000 Penny $3,725,000 Choi $310,000 I was never good at Math but I believe Loria just added $5MM in payroll (based on an entire season) 484925[/snapback] Thanks, that's another big reason this deal is stupid. No chance Lo Duca is with us next year. We have to hope that we are not stuck with Encarnacion next year. I could see us signing Mota, but it may cost us Pavano.
July 31, 200421 yr our pitching staff is :plain Beckett isnt back to his good self yet... and Willis, Burnett, and Pavano are gonna have a lot of pressure for wins. And whoever the hell fills our 5 spot...ouch.
July 31, 200421 yr Question Why was Walker mentioned if he's not a Marlin? 485016[/snapback] that's my question as well have we acquired Admin walker?
July 31, 200421 yr Rumor is we're going to ruin our farm system even more by trading Encarnacion and Stokes to Colorado for Walker. And more prospects to Boston for Lowe who is a FA this winter and awful this year. Or Conteras.
July 31, 200421 yr We can't trade Stokes We'd have no one at first left Oh, and we now have 2.5 consistent starters. Lovely. And I honestly think, while maybe not done so this way, is a deal done to add a new paint job to a car without a steering wheel. Appears to fix problems but will fix nothing.
July 31, 200421 yr The farm system is worthless if we don't get a stadium deal. Thats what all these moves are about.
July 31, 200421 yr Beinfest made this move because he wants to win. Mota is one of the best relievers out there, doesnt matter how old he is. Loduca is a great catcher and will help us out. Hee Seop Choi never got much of a chance to start everday. Penny was inconsistant (even though i love penny) but its the truth.
July 31, 200421 yr in beinfest i trust 485175[/snapback] Its like Britney Spears in Fahrenheit 911. Please if you're going to support or trash the trade have a better reason than this. Its a cop out answer. I think Beinfest is a good GM, but thats not how I decide what I think about what he does. Even talented people make mistakes, just like complete slobs get some stuff right.
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