August 15, 200422 yr None from here, Still got Bump and Koch both of which have been pretty good. It's weird, I now feel confident in this pen when they come in.
August 15, 200422 yr i like it.... keep koch, bump for middle relief if needed before the seventh. but preferably koch, cause i dont think bump can "escape" again like hutton said he did today.
August 15, 200422 yr 1-run games, late - Benitez, Mota Stopper - Seanez Lefties - Perisho Long - Manzy, Bump Bullpen practice - Koch (unfortunetly)
August 15, 200422 yr 1-run games, late - Benitez, Mota Stopper - Seanez Lefties - Perisho Long - Manzy, Bump Bullpen practice - Koch (unfortunetly) 513563[/snapback] Pretty Solid. I would send down Manzy when Cordero comes back. If Spooney comes back our bullpen would be unbelievable.
August 15, 200422 yr 1-run games, late - Benitez, Mota Stopper - Seanez Lefties - Perisho Long - Manzy, Bump Bullpen practice - Koch (unfortunetly) 513563[/snapback] your ridiculous......Manzy is bullpen practice and so is Bump....Koch needs to be in there in big situations..if your gonna give Bump these big situations, Koch needs to be in.
August 15, 200422 yr 1-run games, late - Benitez, Mota Stopper - Seanez Lefties - Perisho Long - Manzy, Bump Bullpen practice - Koch (unfortunetly) 513563[/snapback] your ridiculous......Manzy is bullpen practice and so is Bump....Koch needs to be in there in big situations..if your gonna give Bump these big situations, Koch needs to be in. 513585[/snapback] Since when is long relief pitching in big situations? Koch will be used in the late innings when Seanez, Mota, or Benitez need a rest.
August 15, 200422 yr 1-run games, late - Benitez, Mota Stopper - Seanez Lefties - Perisho Long - Manzy, Bump Bullpen practice - Koch (unfortunetly) 513563[/snapback] your ridiculous......Manzy is bullpen practice and so is Bump....Koch needs to be in there in big situations..if your gonna give Bump these big situations, Koch needs to be in. 513585[/snapback] PERISHO SUCKS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE INCLUDED..AND YOU DON'T LIKE KOCH?! LMAO
August 15, 200422 yr You really have to give to Admin Beinfest. All of a sudden (assuming Seanez continues to pitch lights out) we have a h*lluva bullpen. The transformation is incredible.
August 15, 200422 yr Time to eat crow for the haters eh? 513623[/snapback] :lol 6-7 record since the trade, I don't think so. I'll eat crow the day we clinch the playoffs.
August 15, 200422 yr Time to eat crow for the haters eh? 513623[/snapback] :lol 6-7 record since the trade, I don't think so. I'll eat crow the day we clinch the playoffs. 513635[/snapback] Don't worry I'll save some for you.
August 15, 200422 yr Anybody have a clue on whats up Phelps? From what I know he was rehabbing in the minors.......
August 15, 200422 yr The bullpen is looking pretty darn good!!!! :thumbup I am definitely a lot more confident than I was a few weeks ago.
August 15, 200422 yr Anybody have a clue on whats up Phelps? From what I know he was rehabbing in the minors....... 513640[/snapback] He hasn't been rehabbing. I haven't heard anything on him in a long time. I'm not expecting him to comeback, but I'll keep an eye out for him in the minors. One guy that just came off the DL today in Albuquerque was Frank Gracesqui. It'll be interesting to see if he can come back strong after missing so much time. We could possibly see him up here if he pitches well.
August 15, 200422 yr Down with Nate Bump....too many close calls for him not to get in trouble soon. 513565[/snapback] Gee I would think you would be more supportive of Bump, him being from PA. Of course he's from northern PA and I guess you city types think he's just a hick, huh?
August 16, 200422 yr your ridiculous......Manzy is bullpen practice and so is Bump....Koch needs to be in there in big situations..if your gonna give Bump these big situations, Koch needs to be in. 513585[/snapback] If I had my way Koch would be right up there with Seanez and Mota, but Jack must think his name is Justin Wayne or something because he's being stuck with weekly mop-up duty. The bullpen is very good, unbelievably good, but it's not like the old bullpen was costing us too many games or that we couldn't win last year with only Urbina and Fox decent down the stretch. A bullpen that can turn games into 7-inning contests is nice to have, but I'd much rather have an offense that can put some runs on the board or a starting pitching that can shut down the opposition for 7 innings every 5th day.
August 16, 200422 yr Let me underscore Rferry's statement: Koch has MORE talent than Uggy and Fox combined. This is a guy who was one of the most dominant closers in the game at one point - logging 40 saves. You dont do that by luck. And Koch would be my 7th inning reliever and on occasion, I would use him to either spell Mota, or in place of Mota so that Benitez could get a rest while Mota closes. Of course, I disagree with Rferry and think that this trade was a very good one and will go a long way towards getting us back to the playoffs. One thing is for sure, the pen is MUCH better and puts less pressure on our starters to go 7+. As a result, the starters could be more fresh come playoff time. I would like to see our starters be more consistent and go 7IP though. Either way, bullpen this year is superior to our bullpen last year.
August 16, 200422 yr eat crow? like fran said, 6-7. Plus, no one questioned the bullpen's improvement. Our questions were starting pitching (which has been stellar late...I knew a lot depended on how Valdez would do), and offense. But, instead of turning this into a trade thread (yet another)...I will definitely say that the pen has improved, and I do feel much more comfortable when we get the lead come 7th inning.
August 16, 200422 yr 1-run games, late - Benitez, Mota Stopper - Seanez Lefties - Perisho Long - Manzy, Bump Bullpen practice - Koch (unfortunetly) 513563[/snapback] your ridiculous......Manzy is bullpen practice and so is Bump....Koch needs to be in there in big situations..if your gonna give Bump these big situations, Koch needs to be in. 513585[/snapback] Yeah, Koch just can't throw strikes sometimes.
August 16, 200422 yr koch > manzy because manzy sucks worse than billy we should only use billy or manzy in the 7th when either the game is out of reach or if seanez pitched the night before
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