August 16, 200421 yr What do you think of the embargo we have on the communist island of Cuba? Should it be abolished? Are we hurting Fidel Castro's regime or the people of Cuba? Has it been an effective tool in containing Castro? I'll post my thoughts later on...
August 16, 200421 yr hurts the cuban people. not like castro is scrapping for food and the such. 514313[/snapback] My thoughts exactly
August 16, 200421 yr The Cuban embargo is a terrible thing. The US does these type of things when a third world country doesn't take their s***. However Cuba has shown the world that the little guy can always stand up and survive.
August 16, 200421 yr The Cuban embargo is a terrible thing. The US does these type of things when a third world country doesn't take their s***. However Cuba has shown the world that the little guy can always stand up and survive. 514479[/snapback] I can tell you aren't American... My thoughts is it should be lifted. It was right when JFK put it on back then but now its useless.
August 16, 200421 yr I can tell you aren't american... You'd be very surprised. 514484[/snapback] I wouldn't be surprised if you were American either. Just another one of those self-hating Americans...
August 16, 200421 yr Author The Cuban embargo is a terrible thing. The US does these type of things when a third world country doesn't take their s***. However Cuba has shown the world that the little guy can always stand up and survive. 514479[/snapback] Could you explain yourself better? How has Cuba shown that it can survive? I'm dying to know!
August 16, 200421 yr The Cuban embargo is a terrible thing. The US does these type of things when a third world country doesn't take their s***. However Cuba has shown the world that the little guy can always stand up and survive. 514479[/snapback] Castro doesnt need the US's help. good man for standing on his own feet. hes been able to hold power for 40 some odd years while at the same time being within a breath of the ruler of the world (the US).
August 16, 200421 yr I don't hate American's. I just hate it's government and the way they run the country.
August 16, 200421 yr Author I support the embargo. Granted, Cuba's capabilities as a military threat were dismissed once the USSR's annual billionaire aid was cut off, but I still see the embargo as a viable mechanism to pressure Fidel Castro. I mean, why not? When it was enacted in 1962, it was definitely a military/political move, but today, the embargo on Cuba is symbollic. We all know that the US isn't going to liberate the Cuban people anytime soon, so the only way to pressure his government, and prevent Castro's regime from gaining strength from US dollars is through the embargo.
August 16, 200421 yr I don't hate American's. I just hate it's government and the way they run the country. 514496[/snapback] Communist?
August 16, 200421 yr Author I don't hate American's. I just hate it's government and the way they run the country. 514496[/snapback] Communist? 514501[/snapback] :lol
August 16, 200421 yr pressure Fidel to what?? give up power?? if it hasnt happened yet, its not gonna happen any time soon. and liberating the Cuban people? granted they cant liberate themselves, but at the same time people agree and disagree with government all over the world, Cuba is no different. we can express what we think, they unfortunatly have to be careful. then again we have to pay for healthcare and university schooling. they dont. just because something is not done the same way as the US would do it, doesnt necessarily make it wrong.
August 16, 200421 yr Author just because something is not done the same way as the US would do it, doesnt necessarily make it wrong. 514507[/snapback] That's true... As I said in a previous post, the embargo is a political move, it's symbollic. It's a way to solidarize with the Cuban people...tell them that they aren't alone, and that the United States will refuse to cooperate in any way with a tyrant who has murdered the rights of the Cuban people!
August 16, 200421 yr just because something is not done the same way as the US would do it, doesnt necessarily make it wrong. 514507[/snapback] That's true... As I said in a previous post, the embargo is a political move, it's symbollic. It's a way to solidarize with the Cuban people...tell them that they aren't alone, and that the United States will refuse to cooperate in any way with a tyrant who has murdered the rights of the Cuban people! 514509[/snapback] Don't be foolish. The Cuban people are happy with their leader.Don't you think that if they hated him that they would have rebelled like the Haitians did with their government? And what are these "murdered rights" you speak of?
August 16, 200421 yr just because something is not done the same way as the US would do it, doesnt necessarily make it wrong. 514507[/snapback] That's true... As I said in a previous post, the embargo is a political move, it's symbollic. It's a way to solidarize with the Cuban people...tell them that they aren't alone, and that the United States will refuse to cooperate in any way with a tyrant who has murdered the rights of the Cuban people! 514509[/snapback] it is totally a symbollic move....pressured to be left on by the Miami Mafia. and Castro hasnt murdered the rights of the Cuban people. he has merely taken a few of them in order to keep a forward marching society. the Cuba of the post revolution is at the world zenith in medicine, education, athletics, amongst other things. the Cuba of the pre revolution was a haven for corrupt officials to pull the wool over their peoples eyes. literacy rates, number of hospitals, number of schools have jumped more than 400% since the revolution. Cuba is now its own country, of itself, being able to hold its head up high on any platform with the other countries of the world, and i can guarantee you that the same could never be said if Castro wasnt around.
August 16, 200421 yr Author just because something is not done the same way as the US would do it, doesnt necessarily make it wrong. 514507[/snapback] That's true... As I said in a previous post, the embargo is a political move, it's symbollic. It's a way to solidarize with the Cuban people...tell them that they aren't alone, and that the United States will refuse to cooperate in any way with a tyrant who has murdered the rights of the Cuban people! 514509[/snapback] Don't be foolish. The Cuban people are happy with their leader.Don't you think that if they hated him that they would have rebelled like the Haitians did with their government? And what are these "murdered rights" you speak of? 514515[/snapback] I always get the same argument...The people in Cuba aren't happy with Fidel, I can guarantee that b/c I have family in Cuba! If they are happy with Fidel, then why do we have over a million exiles world wide? why do we have people risking their lives trying to reach the coasts of the US/DR? why do we have constant crackdowns on the dissident movement? why do we have political prisioners? why does the Cuban government refuse to accept the Varela Project (which calls for free elections, a right protected by the 1970 Communist Constitution)? For nearly 50 years, the people of Cuba have experienced one of the tightest and strongest security forces ever assembled, and this according to an ex KGB director. This was funded by the USSR's aid...if you knew about what's going on in Cuba, instead of repeating what you hear, you would know that in Cuba, the Communist party has set up neighborhood surveillance, in which neighbors snitch on each other...the party indoctrinates kids on the Marxist doctrine since they start attending school (Pioneros), and the party even encourages children to supervise and report any kind of "ideological treason" from their parents. Considering all this, how do you propose that the Cuban people take the streets and demand freedom?
August 16, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed??
August 16, 200421 yr Author just because something is not done the same way as the US would do it, doesnt necessarily make it wrong. 514507[/snapback] That's true... As I said in a previous post, the embargo is a political move, it's symbollic. It's a way to solidarize with the Cuban people...tell them that they aren't alone, and that the United States will refuse to cooperate in any way with a tyrant who has murdered the rights of the Cuban people! 514509[/snapback] it is totally a symbollic move....pressured to be left on by the Miami Mafia. and Castro hasnt murdered the rights of the Cuban people. he has merely taken a few of them in order to keep a forward marching society. the Cuba of the post revolution is at the world zenith in medicine, education, athletics, amongst other things. the Cuba of the pre revolution was a haven for corrupt officials to pull the wool over their peoples eyes. literacy rates, number of hospitals, number of schools have jumped more than 400% since the revolution. Cuba is now its own country, of itself, being able to hold its head up high on any platform with the other countries of the world, and i can guarantee you that the same could never be said if Castro wasnt around. 514517[/snapback] I invite you to learn a bit about Cuban history, my friend. If you would know about it, you'd learn that Cuba was amongst the best in the world in literacy rates, communication, transportation and book production before the Castro revolution. The Batista regime and all the corruption that took place was a sad period on Cuba's history, but at least Cubans could dream of better days, and at least Cubans had some freedom left! Even more, Cuba was top 5 in economic strength when compared to Latin American countries...It's frustrating to see where other developing countries during the 1950's are, and to see that Cuba is among the poorest nations in the Western Hemisphere, yet you dare celebrate the achievments of the Castro Revolution! Cuba is a world leader in medicine you say...funny that you mention that, as I've had to debate this silly statement countless times in UN debates. I encourage you to do some reaserch on the current health situation on the island. You might start finding dozens of web sites that advertise the island as a touristic destiny for foreigners around the world to go and enjoy the advantages and achievments of the Cuban revolution...yet, the same can't be said of the Cuban people! After reading of these sites, I encourage you to go to the Granma's site (official newspaper in Cuba). You will find (if it's still there) that the government emphatically blames the american embargo for the poor health situation in the island, and for the lack of basic medicines/services! WHY IS IT THAT FOREIGNERS CAN RECEIVE ACCESS TO WORLD RENOWNED HEALTH CLINICS WHILE CUBANS CAN'T?! Why is it that my relatives in Cuba call every month asking for basic medicines like vitamins, tylenol, etc??? WHY IS IT THAT CUBA HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST HIV RATES IN THE WORLD??? Cuba is a world leader in sports....yeah, so are the Chinese! Do you want to know why? because in Cuba one of the few ways to aspire to good food, good lifestyle, travel, etc. is to be an athlete! Have you ever heard of a single athlete criticizing the regime in Cuba, while being on a Cuban national team? OF COURSE NOT! What you do see is countless of desserters who abandon the delegation everytime there's a major sports event outside the island! I do encourage you to revise your ideas on Cuba, you might be surprised of what you'll find! One day, one day the people of Cuba will be free and the world will know the real story...
August 16, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] But of course, that comes with the side order of:No Free Speech No Freedom of Religion Little money Lifestyle sucks People are put in jail to appease government supporters etc...
August 16, 200421 yr Author neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] Is that what security means to you? I guess that crime and terrorism are but a small price to pay for FREEDOM. I accept that people might have different ideas, and might want to live in a different fashion than in America, but what I can't accept is that you could even consider that people would like to live in a place where they can't travel, where they don't choose what kind of education their children receive, where they can't live comfortably, where their children are sent every summer to concentration camps, and where you live in constant fear of being imprisioned for simply disagreeing with the state. If you like it so much, then why don't you move to Cuba??!!
August 17, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] But of course, that comes with the side order of: No Free Speech No Freedom of Religion Little money Lifestyle sucks People are put in jail to appease government supporters etc... 514541[/snapback] you cant make an omelet man. you know how that goes. and ill just answer all your other posts on this one. yes i do read the cuban newspaper website Granma on a weekly basis. this whole argument is based on points and counterpoints. anyone can make any country look bad if they want to. during the cold war, the USSR was the enemy and we taught our people that they (USSR) were bad. the same was said over there. we (US) were the bad guys. you can make the Cuban government look as bad as you want to, just as i can make it look as good as i want to. and as far as choosing childrens education and being able to live comfortably, its not that easy to attain that here too. tell it to the single mother of 8 i met about a week ago who HAS to live off welfare to be able to be there to raise her kids. yeah, shes living really comfortably. and as much as shed chose to send her kids to the nice private school in the nice neighborhood, she cant. the point of athletics. we all know that communist run countries always excell. Cuba is no different. it doesnt take away from the fact that they are always in the running for gold in every event in which they compete. and i will always celebrate the Castro Revolution, if not for its achievements, then for the huge balls that a group of young men had to fight for what they and many people thought to be right. not only fight, but die. they started the revolution with their own hands, and fought for their ideals with their own hands, and NOT by sending complete strangers to fight their battles. and its not that i loooove Cuba so much and that i should move there. its that i am in agreement with some of the policies employed there. i also like big mansions, but cant afford one. i love my country, its just that at times, i dont like the way my country treats others and they way we are told to think about these same countries. its all a matter of opionion my brother, my opinion is that positive things HAVE come from the revolution. you have your opinion, and i fully respect it as well. its in healthy discussions like this one where we can learn that there are many, many people out there that may or may not agree with you. it doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make them right. the best thing is being able to see the same picture from different angles. thats when you find things.
August 17, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] But of course, that comes with the side order of: No Free Speech No Freedom of Religion Little money Lifestyle sucks People are put in jail to appease government supporters etc... 514541[/snapback] you cant make an omelet man. you know how that goes. and ill just answer all your other posts on this one. yes i do read the cuban newspaper website Granma on a weekly basis. this whole argument is based on points and counterpoints. anyone can make any country look bad if they want to. during the cold war, the USSR was the enemy and we taught our people that they (USSR) were bad. the same was said over there. we (US) were the bad guys. you can make the Cuban government look as bad as you want to, just as i can make it look as good as i want to. and as far as choosing childrens education and being able to live comfortably, its not that easy to attain that here too. tell it to the single mother of 8 i met about a week ago who HAS to live off welfare to be able to be there to raise her kids. yeah, shes living really comfortably. and as much as shed chose to send her kids to the nice private school in the nice neighborhood, she cant. the point of athletics. we all know that communist run countries always excell. Cuba is no different. it doesnt take away from the fact that they are always in the running for gold in every event in which they compete. and i will always celebrate the Castro Revolution, if not for its achievements, then for the huge balls that a group of young men had to fight for what they and many people thought to be right. not only fight, but die. they started the revolution with their own hands, and fought for their ideals with their own hands, and NOT by sending complete strangers to fight their battles. and its not that i loooove Cuba so much and that i should move there. its that i am in agreement with some of the policies employed there. i also like big mansions, but cant afford one. i love my country, its just that at times, i dont like the way my country treats others and they way we are told to think about these same countries. its all a matter of opionion my brother, my opinion is that positive things HAVE come from the revolution. you have your opinion, and i fully respect it as well. its in healthy discussions like this one where we can learn that there are many, many people out there that may or may not agree with you. it doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make them right. the best thing is being able to see the same picture from different angles. thats when you find things. 514589[/snapback] If you have the balls to go say that in Little Havana I will respect you forever more. :shifty
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