August 17, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] But of course, that comes with the side order of: No Free Speech No Freedom of Religion Little money Lifestyle sucks People are put in jail to appease government supporters etc... 514541[/snapback] you cant make an omelet man. you know how that goes. and ill just answer all your other posts on this one. yes i do read the cuban newspaper website Granma on a weekly basis. this whole argument is based on points and counterpoints. anyone can make any country look bad if they want to. during the cold war, the USSR was the enemy and we taught our people that they (USSR) were bad. the same was said over there. we (US) were the bad guys. you can make the Cuban government look as bad as you want to, just as i can make it look as good as i want to. and as far as choosing childrens education and being able to live comfortably, its not that easy to attain that here too. tell it to the single mother of 8 i met about a week ago who HAS to live off welfare to be able to be there to raise her kids. yeah, shes living really comfortably. and as much as shed chose to send her kids to the nice private school in the nice neighborhood, she cant. the point of athletics. we all know that communist run countries always excell. Cuba is no different. it doesnt take away from the fact that they are always in the running for gold in every event in which they compete. and i will always celebrate the Castro Revolution, if not for its achievements, then for the huge balls that a group of young men had to fight for what they and many people thought to be right. not only fight, but die. they started the revolution with their own hands, and fought for their ideals with their own hands, and NOT by sending complete strangers to fight their battles. and its not that i loooove Cuba so much and that i should move there. its that i am in agreement with some of the policies employed there. i also like big mansions, but cant afford one. i love my country, its just that at times, i dont like the way my country treats others and they way we are told to think about these same countries. its all a matter of opionion my brother, my opinion is that positive things HAVE come from the revolution. you have your opinion, and i fully respect it as well. its in healthy discussions like this one where we can learn that there are many, many people out there that may or may not agree with you. it doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make them right. the best thing is being able to see the same picture from different angles. thats when you find things. 514589[/snapback] my grandpa from my dads side went to prison in cuba only because he didnt agree with the government. tell my dad that idiotic bulls*** you just said. would you actually try explaining to my dad that his dad going to prison was for the best? :plain
August 17, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] But of course, that comes with the side order of: No Free Speech No Freedom of Religion Little money Lifestyle sucks People are put in jail to appease government supporters etc... 514541[/snapback] you cant make an omelet man. you know how that goes. and ill just answer all your other posts on this one. yes i do read the cuban newspaper website Granma on a weekly basis. this whole argument is based on points and counterpoints. anyone can make any country look bad if they want to. during the cold war, the USSR was the enemy and we taught our people that they (USSR) were bad. the same was said over there. we (US) were the bad guys. you can make the Cuban government look as bad as you want to, just as i can make it look as good as i want to. and as far as choosing childrens education and being able to live comfortably, its not that easy to attain that here too. tell it to the single mother of 8 i met about a week ago who HAS to live off welfare to be able to be there to raise her kids. yeah, shes living really comfortably. and as much as shed chose to send her kids to the nice private school in the nice neighborhood, she cant. the point of athletics. we all know that communist run countries always excell. Cuba is no different. it doesnt take away from the fact that they are always in the running for gold in every event in which they compete. and i will always celebrate the Castro Revolution, if not for its achievements, then for the huge balls that a group of young men had to fight for what they and many people thought to be right. not only fight, but die. they started the revolution with their own hands, and fought for their ideals with their own hands, and NOT by sending complete strangers to fight their battles. and its not that i loooove Cuba so much and that i should move there. its that i am in agreement with some of the policies employed there. i also like big mansions, but cant afford one. i love my country, its just that at times, i dont like the way my country treats others and they way we are told to think about these same countries. its all a matter of opionion my brother, my opinion is that positive things HAVE come from the revolution. you have your opinion, and i fully respect it as well. its in healthy discussions like this one where we can learn that there are many, many people out there that may or may not agree with you. it doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make them right. the best thing is being able to see the same picture from different angles. thats when you find things. 514589[/snapback] my grandpa from my dads side went to prison in cuba only because he didnt agree with the government. tell him that idiotic bulls*** you just said. :plain 514652[/snapback] Don't worry Marlins02, he just a good ole fashioned commie...
August 17, 200421 yr The Cuban embargo is a terrible thing. The US does these type of things when a third world country doesn't take their s***. However Cuba has shown the world that the little guy can always stand up and survive. 514479[/snapback] :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol cuba is not standing on their two feet, they are on their knees on their last breaths. it's been like that since the soviet union collapsed. please don't talk like you know everything about cuba when you aren't even cuban to see it from our perspective. cuba is a hell hole. why do you think people die and risk their lives crossing the florida straits to get to freedom??? Because it's a good power workout??? please shut up on this subject.
August 17, 200421 yr im done discussing the subject. points were made, points were understood. its a discussion board, this is the point of it- to discuss.
August 17, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] But of course, that comes with the side order of: No Free Speech No Freedom of Religion Little money Lifestyle sucks People are put in jail to appease government supporters etc... 514541[/snapback] you cant make an omelet man. you know how that goes. and ill just answer all your other posts on this one. yes i do read the cuban newspaper website Granma on a weekly basis. this whole argument is based on points and counterpoints. anyone can make any country look bad if they want to. during the cold war, the USSR was the enemy and we taught our people that they (USSR) were bad. the same was said over there. we (US) were the bad guys. you can make the Cuban government look as bad as you want to, just as i can make it look as good as i want to. and as far as choosing childrens education and being able to live comfortably, its not that easy to attain that here too. tell it to the single mother of 8 i met about a week ago who HAS to live off welfare to be able to be there to raise her kids. yeah, shes living really comfortably. and as much as shed chose to send her kids to the nice private school in the nice neighborhood, she cant. the point of athletics. we all know that communist run countries always excell. Cuba is no different. it doesnt take away from the fact that they are always in the running for gold in every event in which they compete. and i will always celebrate the Castro Revolution, if not for its achievements, then for the huge balls that a group of young men had to fight for what they and many people thought to be right. not only fight, but die. they started the revolution with their own hands, and fought for their ideals with their own hands, and NOT by sending complete strangers to fight their battles. and its not that i loooove Cuba so much and that i should move there. its that i am in agreement with some of the policies employed there. i also like big mansions, but cant afford one. i love my country, its just that at times, i dont like the way my country treats others and they way we are told to think about these same countries. its all a matter of opionion my brother, my opinion is that positive things HAVE come from the revolution. you have your opinion, and i fully respect it as well. its in healthy discussions like this one where we can learn that there are many, many people out there that may or may not agree with you. it doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make them right. the best thing is being able to see the same picture from different angles. thats when you find things. 514589[/snapback] my grandpa from my dads side went to prison in cuba only because he didnt agree with the government. tell him that idiotic bulls*** you just said. :plain 514652[/snapback] Don't worry Marlins02, he just a good ole fashioned commie... 514654[/snapback] he's probably some middle to upper class gringo who wants something to complain about and thinks he looks cool by saying stuff that most people disagree with.
August 17, 200421 yr im done discussing the subject. points were made, points were understood. its a discussion board, this is the point of it- to discuss. 514674[/snapback] no, tell me how my grandpa going to prison for no damn legit reason was good for that society. tell me dude.
August 17, 200421 yr just because something is not done the same way as the US would do it, doesnt necessarily make it wrong. 514507[/snapback] That's true... As I said in a previous post, the embargo is a political move, it's symbollic. It's a way to solidarize with the Cuban people...tell them that they aren't alone, and that the United States will refuse to cooperate in any way with a tyrant who has murdered the rights of the Cuban people! 514509[/snapback] Don't be foolish. The Cuban people are happy with their leader.Don't you think that if they hated him that they would have rebelled like the Haitians did with their government? And what are these "murdered rights" you speak of? 514515[/snapback] they like their leader!?! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol they can't rebel because the guy has been their for 45 years and has made them live in fear. so according to your formula, the north koreans also like their leader because they haven't overthrown him? i guess the iraqis liked saddam and the afghans liked the taliban? please he's running that country on fear.
August 17, 200421 yr neighbors are encouraged to snitch on each other in order to keep their society running the right way (again, may not our way). if you knew your neighbor here murdered someone, would you snitch or turn your head? probably snitch because either its against the law, or you wouldnt feel safe living next to a murderer. over there treason is against the law, and again, you would not feel safe with a neighbor like that. and as far as tightest and strongest security forces, whats wrong with that? give me a number on how many murders are committed annually in Cuba, how many act of terror are committed?? how many people walk into markets over there and blow themselves up?? how many people walk onto a bus and blow that up?? how many planes are "successfully" highjacked?? how many of their kids walk into school and shoot everyone in sight?? how many people are kidnapped?? how many women raped?? children killed?? 514533[/snapback] But of course, that comes with the side order of: No Free Speech No Freedom of Religion Little money Lifestyle sucks People are put in jail to appease government supporters etc... 514541[/snapback] you cant make an omelet man. you know how that goes. and ill just answer all your other posts on this one. yes i do read the cuban newspaper website Granma on a weekly basis. this whole argument is based on points and counterpoints. anyone can make any country look bad if they want to. during the cold war, the USSR was the enemy and we taught our people that they (USSR) were bad. the same was said over there. we (US) were the bad guys. you can make the Cuban government look as bad as you want to, just as i can make it look as good as i want to. and as far as choosing childrens education and being able to live comfortably, its not that easy to attain that here too. tell it to the single mother of 8 i met about a week ago who HAS to live off welfare to be able to be there to raise her kids. yeah, shes living really comfortably. and as much as shed chose to send her kids to the nice private school in the nice neighborhood, she cant. the point of athletics. we all know that communist run countries always excell. Cuba is no different. it doesnt take away from the fact that they are always in the running for gold in every event in which they compete. and i will always celebrate the Castro Revolution, if not for its achievements, then for the huge balls that a group of young men had to fight for what they and many people thought to be right. not only fight, but die. they started the revolution with their own hands, and fought for their ideals with their own hands, and NOT by sending complete strangers to fight their battles. and its not that i loooove Cuba so much and that i should move there. its that i am in agreement with some of the policies employed there. i also like big mansions, but cant afford one. i love my country, its just that at times, i dont like the way my country treats others and they way we are told to think about these same countries. its all a matter of opionion my brother, my opinion is that positive things HAVE come from the revolution. you have your opinion, and i fully respect it as well. its in healthy discussions like this one where we can learn that there are many, many people out there that may or may not agree with you. it doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make them right. the best thing is being able to see the same picture from different angles. thats when you find things. 514589[/snapback] my grandpa from my dads side went to prison in cuba only because he didnt agree with the government. tell him that idiotic bulls*** you just said. :plain 514652[/snapback] Don't worry Marlins02, he just a good ole fashioned commie... 514654[/snapback] he's probably some middle to upper class gringo who wants something to complain about and thinks he looks cool by saying stuff that most people disagree with. 514676[/snapback] :lol :lol True. :plain
August 17, 200421 yr im done discussing the subject. points were made, points were understood. its a discussion board, this is the point of it- to discuss. 514674[/snapback] no, tell me how my grandpa going to prison for no damn legit reason was good for that society. tell me dude. 514679[/snapback] i said i was done, but if you want me to tell you why youre grandpa went to prison, its simple. you know why. youre grandpa knows why. i dont have to tell you why. youre smarter than that. as far as the "guessing" as to me being an upper middle class gringo looking for things to complain about and look cool. man are you perceptive. thats 0-4 on those calls. i simply came in here to make some points, and i did. i had a nice disussion with "fishfanPR" in which he also made some points. and then the latest posts im attacked for not agreeing with what you all think. nice. thats all im gonna say.
August 17, 200421 yr im done discussing the subject. points were made, points were understood. its a discussion board, this is the point of it- to discuss. 514674[/snapback] no, tell me how my grandpa going to prison for no damn legit reason was good for that society. tell me dude. 514679[/snapback] i said i was done, but if you want me to tell you why youre grandpa went to prison, its simple. you know why. youre grandpa knows why. i dont have to tell you why. youre smarter than that. as far as the "guessing" as to me being an upper middle class gringo looking for things to complain about and look cool. man are you perceptive. thats 0-4 on those calls. i simply came in here to make some points, and i did. i had a nice disussion with "fishfanPR" in which he also made some points. and then the latest posts im attacked for not agreeing with what you all think. nice. thats all im gonna say. 514727[/snapback] Dood, he has every right to be pissed off at a commie like you. His grandfather got thrown into prison for his beliefs in Cuba, how would you like it?
August 17, 200421 yr im done discussing the subject. points were made, points were understood. its a discussion board, this is the point of it- to discuss. 514674[/snapback] no, tell me how my grandpa going to prison for no damn legit reason was good for that society. tell me dude. 514679[/snapback] i said i was done, but if you want me to tell you why youre grandpa went to prison, its simple. you know why. youre grandpa knows why. i dont have to tell you why. youre smarter than that. as far as the "guessing" as to me being an upper middle class gringo looking for things to complain about and look cool. man are you perceptive. thats 0-4 on those calls. i simply came in here to make some points, and i did. i had a nice disussion with "fishfanPR" in which he also made some points. and then the latest posts im attacked for not agreeing with what you all think. nice. thats all im gonna say. 514727[/snapback] bitch i didnt ask you why he went to prison. im asking you how the f*** you think that was good for society. he went to prison because he didnt keep his opinions to himself. how the f*** is that good for that society? tell me dude. answer my f***ing question.
August 17, 200421 yr I was almost brought to tears by some of things uttered in this thread. This is just sad.
August 17, 200421 yr Metsrosexual is probably one of those dudes who wear Che Guevara shirts and dont know how f***ing stupid they look
August 17, 200421 yr I take that back. I couldn't finish this. The amount of ignorance shown in this thread to 11 million people currently on the jail cell shaped like an archipelago, and the millions of exiles world wide who risked everything they had to give their families a life in a free society, has literally brought me to tears. The thousands of political prisoners, hundreds of thousands of executed, the millions of suffering, do it for this? So this is what people believe outside of the country? Keep believing this, and Castro keeps winning. Do you really wonder why he has been there since New Year's Day of 1959?
August 17, 200421 yr Lets say we do lift the embargo and all of a sudden the cuban economy improves drastically. True the embargo is not going to get fidel out of cuba. But after he dies, the worst thing that can happen is if the post castro comunists enter their reign with a good economy that will legitimize their regime. This will cause that grou pto maintain power for even longer periods, and cubans may not be rid of the commies for many more years. If the economy continues to be terrible the post castro regime will be either overthrown, or pressured to open up the system. And this way is a better path to democracy.
August 17, 200421 yr China has engaged in some serious human right violations, but is on the verge of becoming an economic powerhouse. Theyve opened up economic channels and yet still dont treat dissent very well. That could be the model for which we might look to Cuba.
August 17, 200421 yr Author China has engaged in some serious human right violations, but is on the verge of becoming an economic powerhouse. Theyve opened up economic channels and yet still dont treat dissent very well. That could be the model for which we might look to Cuba. 515526[/snapback] very interesting argument. The problem is, that China and Cuba differ drastically as far as their domestic policy goes. While China has decided to open channels of communication with the US and engage the US economically by advancing both human rights and private property, Cuba refuses to do so! The US has been firm in saying that the embargo will be lifted once Fidel Castro celebrates free elections and respects the rights of Cubans to own private property. Meanwhile, Fidel Castro continues to negotiate with the EU, which negotiate on Castro's terms. No advances have been made on the human rights front, instead, Castro launches a crackdown on the dissident movement, something that has been condemned by the international community, specially the EU. At the same time, we must take in mind that in Cuba, if a worker is paid $200 dollars for his work in, say, a Spanish hotel, the money is paid to the government, who changes the currency to cuban pesos, and gives the worker 200 pesos, therefore confiscating 95% of the salary! When you analyze all these measures, and compare the situation in the island to the situation in China you reach the conclusion that both countries, although united by the Communist ideal, have decided to take different paths economically, socially and politically.
August 17, 200421 yr China also is moving to some form of socialist market economy as opposed to the pure communist command economies of the cold war. They're leaning into the direction of a country like France
August 17, 200421 yr Marlinfan:A country can rebel whenever it wishes to. The Haitans rebelled in just few years of Arisitid. Stop being a dumbass and lick my balls. Case Closed.
August 17, 200421 yr Marlinfan:A country can rebel whenever it wishes to. The Haitans rebelled in just few years of Arisitid. Stop being a dumbass and lick my balls. Case Closed. 515695[/snapback] Damn shows some major lack of knowledge, history, and logic with a statement like that
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