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Turns out an applellate court in florida ruled 2-1 ruled that govt. should not spend tax money on supplying vouchers to children, because it violates a law about using tax money on sectarian institutions. Here's a little background, the current Opportunity Scholarship Program is a program for poor families whose children attend a grade F school. The parents now have the choice of pulling their children out and they will receive a voucher to attend a private school free of charge. Over 700 children are involved in this program and 98% percent have been noted as performing better and behaving better in these new schools. Seems to me like the choice of where the children go is in the hands of parents and not the govts and is really helping the kids. However, the ALCU and NAACP which are against this have fought hard to overturn this b/c the educational elite (including teachers unions) dont care about whats better for the kids, but whats better for their pockets. Hopefully the florida supreme court overturns this nonsense.

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maybe the problems are "unfixable"...it's public schools....government run organizations like that will always have problems. The fact that the federal government is in charge of education from Pre-K to 12th grade for every school from California to Florida to New York is absurd.

 

As tonyi will say, the U.S. already spends more than any other country on education, yet it sucks. Maybe the problem isn't funding, teachers, etc....maybe it's the system.

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School vouchers undermine the public school system.

 

Don't send them to another place- fix the one we've got.

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How by pumping more money into it. Dont 'fix the one we got'. Do whats best for the children and what it is now is giving them the opportunity to go to private school. Parents should choose where they kids go, thats part of freedom of choice, and to do whats best for their children. Whole bureucrats figure out where all the public education funding is going to, it is being done at the children's expense.

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I believe in public education, but we can do better. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve it. Jeb Bush's measures such as grading schools and using that to fund them and the FCAT are large improvements. The old competency tests were so easy compared to the FCAT. If you work hard for a diploma issued by a district in the state of Florida, so should everyone else. Plus this system means more success in higher education for students.

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I believe in public education, but we can do better. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve it. Jeb Bush's measures such as grading schools and using that to fund them and the FCAT are large improvements. The old competency tests were so easy compared to the FCAT. If you work hard for a diploma issued by a district in the state of Florida, so should everyone else. Plus this system means more success in higher education for students.

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Give me a break Cape. The FCAT has been proven to be the worst competancy test in the United States. You want a good measure? Why don't we take the New York school system test...

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I believe in public education, but we can do better. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve it. Jeb Bush's measures such as grading schools and using that to fund them and the FCAT are large improvements. The old competency tests were so easy compared to the FCAT. If you work hard for a diploma issued by a district in the state of Florida, so should everyone else. Plus this system means more success in higher education for students.

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Just because Jeb can't answer a basic Trig. FCAT question for his life, doesnt make it hard

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Turns out an applellate court in florida ruled 2-1 ruled that govt. should not spend tax money on supplying vouchers to children, because it violates a law about using tax money on sectarian institutions. Here's a little background, the current Opportunity Scholarship Program is a program for poor families whose children attend a grade F school. The parents now have the choice of pulling their children out and they will receive a voucher to attend a private school free of charge. Over 700 children are involved in this program and 98% percent have been noted as performing better and behaving better in these new schools. Seems to me like the choice of where the children go is in the hands of parents and not the govts and is really helping the kids. However, the ALCU and NAACP which are against this have fought hard to overturn this b/c the educational elite (including teachers unions) dont care about whats better for the kids, but whats better for their pockets. Hopefully the florida supreme court overturns this nonsense.

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first off are we considering that private schools now want these kids? I go to private school and their certainly is a stigma that lingers. Now most voucher programs can't cover the full cost of the school now for kids in the worst schools also by suprise are in the lowest income bracket, most vouchers are not going to make things better for them.

 

Now on to the fact that the biggest plus about private schools is small class size therefore more money to spend on books and such. Their's a few openings in my school and from what I've heard in almost all of them. Now try to overload the system and you're cutting out benefits to students who were already at that school and to those joining. Now of course with only a few openings their is still going to be kids knocked out of the window and left in a public school that has been given up on. The few kids who got into the public school are still not going to fix problems for many public schools just dererring tax money to hurt private schools with trying to over crowd it and this is with parents who choose to pay more to send their kid there.

 

 

 

My parents make the choice to send me to private school and realize by it being private they must sacrifice for it, not asking for a hand out.

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What makes you think private school capacity is necessarily a fixed supply?

 

Why wouldn't ordinary supply/demand economics eventually dictate more private schools appear or capacity expand?

 

Ordinarily when a market demand pressure exists, a supply somehow comes along to fill it.

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Exactly, and with vouchers the private school is still making its money, so defintely the private schools want them. Another good idea as someone mentioned was to make the tuition fee for private school tax deductible.

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I believe in public education, but we can do better. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve it. Jeb Bush's measures such as grading schools and using that to fund them and the FCAT are large improvements. The old competency tests were so easy compared to the FCAT. If you work hard for a diploma issued by a district in the state of Florida, so should everyone else. Plus this system means more success in higher education for students.

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Step into the office of the Coalition for Independent Living Options one day. You'll then see why "FCAT Gets an F."

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I believe in public education, but we can do better. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve it. Jeb Bush's measures such as grading schools and using that to fund them and the FCAT are large improvements. The old competency tests were so easy compared to the FCAT. If you work hard for a diploma issued by a district in the state of Florida, so should everyone else. Plus this system means more success in higher education for students.

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Step into the office of the Coalition for Independent Living Options one day. You'll then see why "FCAT Gets an F."

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We're missing the point here by arguing the efficiency of the fcat. This needs to be filed in two different columns one is how to improve public education the other is now that public education is terrible in many places how can we help, one way is vouchers, and its been struck down by the court. We cannot lose sight of this. And if children get their education free anyway i dont kno why anyone shouild be against vouchers, unless if you arent putting the children first

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What makes you think private school capacity is necessarily a fixed supply?

 

Why wouldn't ordinary supply/demand economics eventually dictate more private schools appear or capacity expand?

 

Ordinarily when a market demand pressure exists, a supply somehow comes along to fill it.

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Ok, the last time of The DOE looked into open private school slots there were only 150,000 open slots. The Public Schools educate 47 million kids, if 20% of them go to failing schools that's 9.4 million kids would have to fight for 150,000 open slots. Now kids in failing schools are going to be at an extreme disadvantage for the most part when it would come to entrance exams. If new private schools want to maintain a somewhat level of dignity for it's students which all schools do there is without a doubt going to be kids who can not get in. You also have to make sure you still have small class sizes to put in the private school advantage and through all that yes their will still be many kids left out in the cold. In a system that has been given up on.

 

Some of that info c/o James Carville

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What makes you think private school capacity is necessarily a fixed supply?

 

Why wouldn't ordinary supply/demand economics eventually dictate more private schools appear or capacity expand?

 

Ordinarily when a market demand pressure exists, a supply somehow comes along to fill it.

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Ok, the last time of The DOE looked into open private school slots there were only 150,000 open slots. The Public Schools educate 47 million kids, if 20% of them go to failing schools that's 9.4 million kids would have to fight for 150,000 open slots. Now kids in failing schools are going to be at an extreme disadvantage for the most part when it would come to entrance exams. If new private schools want to maintain a somewhat level of dignity for it's students which all schools do there is without a doubt going to be kids who can not get in. You also have to make sure you still have small class sizes to put in the private school advantage and through all that yes their will still be many kids left out in the cold. In a system that has been given up on.

 

Some of that info c/o James Carville

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Remember that if a system like this is in place and more kids want to go to private school and the demand for private education increases so will the supply. What we need is for private schools to fill up so more private schools can develop. We are also forgetting that vouchers are not going to be given to everyone, and that its a case by case basis. What it comes down to is that the voucher system is better than maintaining the status quo.

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