Hialeah Park...

[CapeFish]

Very simple poll. Improvements would have to be made, but they would be made. The City of Hialeah owns the land and it is large enough to hold a ballpark. There is plenty of parking and the MetroRail passes right by. The ballpark can coexist with the historical race track. No horse running in the outfield.

[Wild Card]

Seeing that it is definately possible, seeing as the city already said yes, I have no objections. I live in Boca, so to avoid traffic I would simply take the TriRail.

 

Sounds good to me...

[CapeFish]

We talked about it before I started this poll. Here is the thread. http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...?showtopic=4463

[CapeFish]

Oh, yeah btw the Voters in Hialeah approved the financing for a ballpark in Hialeah in the year 2000. The money has been piling up, let's use it!

[Wild Card]

I've already read the whole thread...

 

Like I said, it's gotta be a Million bagillion dollars cheaper to use a huge abandoned property owned by the city than a piece of land in Downtown Miami on the water owned pivately...

 

I think it's a good idea, and I'm sure they've explored any and all ideas. It's probably in the back of Samson and Loria's minds, but I think they want it downtown. Gotta admit, the stadium they had designed in 2001 for that property was astoundingly perfect.

[RossInfoMan]

Fact is, Hialeah will never give enough money to build a stadium. It is one of the poorest cities in all of Florida, much worse than Miami, actually. Dont make it sound like theyve already approved financing, because thats not true, they approved a measure that would allow the use of public financing if the Marlins wanted to build a stadium there, which they dont. It didnt even come close to being a finalist last time they were picking sites for many reasons, not the least of which is traffic. And Hialeah cant come up with the public financing theyre going to need, around $300 million. The only way a stadium would work is if the Marlins paid $300 million and the city gave $100 million, and Loria isnt going to pay that much. You can dream all you want, but the Marlins will not be playing in Hialeah. Sure, I too would love if they played there as I live in south dade, but there are just too many obstacles for it to be a realsitic idea.

[CapeFish]

Ross, Hialeah is in dade county. Dade county has the money. The problem downtown with the $$$ is the city of miami doesn't have the money. With Dade County giving money in bonds, Hialeah OWNING the land (Miami doesn't own river site they wanted), and the Marlins giving some money they can finance it. Are you a family person? Anyone here who is a family person, listen up. Would you take your family to a ballpark in Downtown or Hialeah? (Neither is not an answer).

[RossInfoMan]

Actually, the city of Miami did approve the money for the stadium last time. The problem was that the funding that was going to be approved by the state fell through, and that was a major part. I wouldnt go to Hialeah unless I absolutely had to, and neither would anyone from Broward and especially Palm Beach. If youre implying that its safer than Miami, I completely disagree.

[CapeFish]

Hialeah is more dangerous than Downtown Miami? WOW! I'm sure Laz would have a comment on that.

 

I mean I used to go to Hialeah Park and never had a problem, but when I went to Downtown I had the constant worry of being mugged. Ross get back on earth please.

[CapeFish]

The state thing fell through because it was unfair to the cruise industry who had nothing to do with the ballteam.

[DurableTear]

Hialeah is more dangerous than Downtown Miami? WOW! I'm sure Laz would have a comment on that.

 

I mean I used to go to Hialeah Park and never had a problem, but when I went to Downtown I had the constant worry of being mugged. Ross get back on earth please.

I still wouldn't consider that area because of the transportation issue... the cost of repairs, expansion, and repaving will be huge in that area...

[RossInfoMan]

Well, maybe if youre walking the streets of dowtown as opposed to being inside Hialeah park, sure its safer, but Im sure walking the streets of Hialeah is not a good idea, either. because you worried about being mugged its more dangerous? i mean, if something happened to you or someone you know, thats another thing. Maybe 20 years ago, Miami was extremely dangerous dowtown, but it has improved a lot since then. I go to Downtown a lot, it is not as dangerous as you protray. Just because I have a different opinion than you, dont tell me to get back on earth, yours in the not the only opinion. And I wasnt referring to the cruise ship thing, that wasnt part of the final proposal that was sent to the state, which was allowed to fall through because it wasnt voted on.

Actually, I dont even know why I am responding to this. This is not a realsitic option, and thats the truth. sure, I would like it there OR dowtown or anywhere really, but its not going to happen in Hialeah.

[CapeFish]

DT, what maintenance? You build the ballpark in one of the empty parking lots. The race track structure cannot be touched.

[DurableTear]

How much parking would be left? If the Tri-Rail is the only answer that's bogus... To reach the Tri-Rail you need a freaking car to get there because there aian't a lot of bus transportaion in Miami. Orlando has low amounts of traffic because the damn bus passes around each area every freaking 30 mins...

[CapeFish]

Tri-Rail doens't run by the park. MetroRail runs by the park. There are acres and acres of parking. well over 75,000 parking spots. the site is like 103 acres. it is 1 mile wide by 2 miles long

[DurableTear]

Just checked Yahoo! Maps and I see that it is big but... small highways around it... Palm Ave which is on the western side is beyond horrible, E 22nd ST is a small 2 lane road, Flamingo Way (E 4th St) is a secondary highway, and E 21th st is acceptable... that would be one of the worst places to place a baseball stadium... and it just as bad as the downtown...

[SportsCenter]

Hialeah is more dangerous than Downtown Miami? WOW! I'm sure Laz would have a comment on that.

 

I mean I used to go to Hialeah Park and never had a problem, but when I went to Downtown I had the constant worry of being mugged. Ross get back on earth please.

who said Hialeah is more dangerous than Downtown ? lol i live in hialeah and i walk alone and stuff nothin bad down here now i will not walk alone in downtown u crazy , i almost got rob with my friend in downtown we went to some heat games and than some guy wanna to take some thing of ur's... now that never happen to me in hialeah so i know for sure u never came down here, so dont talk what u dont know thx

[RossInfoMan]

Just checked Yahoo! Maps and I see that it is big but... small highways around it... Palm Ave which is on the western side is beyond horrible, E 22nd ST is a small 2 lane road, Flamingo Way (E 4th St) is a secondary highway, and E 21th st is acceptable... that would be one of the worst places to place a baseball stadium... and it just as bad as the downtown...

Couldnt agree with you more about the roads. The only highway somewhat close by is the 826, but where does that have the most traffic, even though they just finished major construction in the area? Hialeah. I really dont see this as a viable option. If this is such a good choice, why wasnt it on the finalist list for stadium sites last time?

[RossInfoMan]

I can talk because I know both areas very well, thank you. I love how people talk about almost being robbed or worrying about it being mugged making downtown dangerous. either you are or arent, its like being almost pregnant.

[SportsCenter]

bro maybe u lived or gone to the ghetto park of hialeah , i live in the West by 68 ave nothin here i walk everywhere im still alive and in my house

[CapeFish]

It's easy to almost be robbed. You see them coming and you run into a secure building like the government center.

[RossInfoMan]

I never said either place was completely safe or completely dangerous. Im allowed to my opinion, and I live in miami and im still alive, which i guess is the indicator of being a safe place. thats my opinion and im sticking to it. i dont dislike hialeah or people who live there. why cant people be secure in their own opinion and not have to convince others theirs is right. I respect your opinions, but mine are different. no worries

[CapeFish]

there is a BIG difference between living in Miami and Downtown Miami.

[Fish Fillet]

Ok, this is going to sound extremely biased and maybe even a little elitist coming from someone in Boca, but I wanted to add my two cents about Hialeah baseball.

 

Hialeah has the perception of being poor and crime riddled. Whether or not it's true doesn't matter. Just a perception that has to be addressed.

 

But the most important thing is traffic. If any of you have been on that parking lot called the Palmetto between the hours of 4-6:30PM on a weekday you know what I mean. On a weeknight game you'd have to leave at 5 to get to a 7:35 game. I thought I couldn't imagine traffic getting any worse in Hialeah until the thought of a stadium there came into my head.

 

I can guarantee you that attendence from North Broward and PBC (if there is to be any) would be severly affected if it were in Hialeah. And don't kid yourself, there may be alot of Tri-Rail traffic to games from the MDC and South Broward, but except for a handful of people there ain't anyone that's going to hump down on the mugger-mover from North Broward or the PBC.

 

I say in a perfect world forget Downtown/Biscayne, Hialeah, Sawgrass and all the other ideas. Build that puupy in Downtown Lauderdale. That'd be a happy medium smack dab in the middle of the SoFl market.

[CapeFish]

Downtown Lauderdale would be nice Filliet, but Broward County won't do it and the city of Ft. Lauderdale might not either. I would like to see it in downtown Hollywood myself. It would be near the countyline and in a nice downtown. But Broward is unlikely unless they can pull of something like they've done in other places. 65 private companies pay $5 million each. Total of $325 million. each company gets a skybox for 10-20 years and some ad space in the stadium. The Marlins pay the rest and everything is gravy. This way the companies get the ads and skybox (which can be written off a business expense) and the Fish get the help they need to build. No governemnt input needed.