September 11, 200422 yr The Associated Press Posted on: Friday, September 10, 2004 JACKSONVILLE ? A South Florida businessman says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan by flying a Boeing 747 into the edge of the hurricane and dumping thousands of pounds of an absorbent material into the storm. Peter Cordani of Jupiter plans to try to knock the storm down by one or two categories by dropping tons of powder that absorbs 3-thousand to 4-thousand times its weight. Cordani is chief operating officer of Dyn-O-Mat, a company that sells environmental absorbent products such as mats for mechanics. He believes his product, SK1000, would cause a shearing action and a 15 degree cooling of the storm. Cordani has been working on his plan for five years. He has assembled a team of experts, including two former astronauts, moonwalker Edgar Mitchell and Scott Mac Leod, who tested the lunar module. Cordani is in contact talks to lease a 747 tanker from Evergreen Aviation in McMinnville, Oregon.
September 11, 200422 yr NO! FOOL! This guy is an idiot. Who knows what this could cause both environmentally, and to the path of the hurricane.
September 11, 200422 yr Author NO! FOOL! This guy is an idiot. Who knows what this could cause both environmentally, and to the path of the hurricane. 553602[/snapback] Could make it worse.
September 11, 200422 yr Awesome!!! Of course my boy B4P points out it could hurt the environment which is a no-no. I don't care what they do as long as the storm keeps heading towards the Panhandle.
September 12, 200422 yr NO! FOOL! This guy is an idiot. Who knows what this could cause both environmentally, and to the path of the hurricane. 553602[/snapback] Could make it worse. 553606[/snapback] That too. People don't realize what it does for the environment. They are essential.
September 12, 200422 yr Author what have meteorologist said about this? (if you heard any comment) 553663[/snapback] ignored
September 12, 200422 yr This Dude: Bona-fide idiot this is all but guranteed to strengthen it, since that's what things like this always do in life, which is why life usually sucks
September 12, 200422 yr i hope he does it...hurricane seeding needs to get some major media attention. i've actually heard about this company in the past, so i'm sure they really have been working on this for awhile. the cost of researching how to modify hurricanes is extremely miniscule compared to the cost of rebuilding after one storm. the govt's research into hurricane seeding decades ago was stopped largely due to lack of funding. this stuff is important, and i really hope this guy's company gets some national exposure so this kind of research can take off.
September 12, 200422 yr i hope he does it...hurricane seeding needs to get some major media attention. i've actually heard about this company in the past, so i'm sure they really have been working on this for awhile. the cost of researching how to modify hurricanes is extremely miniscule compared to the cost of rebuilding after one storm. the govt's research into hurricane seeding decades ago was stopped largely due to lack of funding. this stuff is important, and i really hope this guy's company gets some national exposure so this kind of research can take off. 554120[/snapback] Do you understand the implications of this? Hurricanes should never be stopped. They do so much more good than bad.
September 12, 200422 yr Do you understand the implications of this? Hurricanes should never be stopped. They do so much more good than bad. 554127[/snapback] can you expound on that statement? check it out, a category 4 storm causes about 250 times the damage of a category 1 storm. by shaving off a mere 30 mph from that category 4 hurricane, you can knock it down to a category 2, which only does about 10 times the damage of a category 1. knock off another 10-15 mph and it's only a category 1. the destruction caused by a hurricane increases exponentially as wind speed increases by small amounts...just by shaving off a few mph, we save can potentially save billions. the government realized that, which is why we tried for two decades to accomplish this feat. more research into seeding certainly wouldn't hurt.
September 12, 200422 yr Do you understand the implications of this? Hurricanes should never be stopped. They do so much more good than bad. 554127[/snapback] can you expound on that statement? check it out, a category 4 storm causes about 250 times the damage of a category 1 storm. by shaving off a mere 30 mph from that category 4 hurricane, you can knock it down to a category 2, which only does about 10 times the damage of a category 1. knock off another 10-15 mph and it's only a category 1. the destruction caused by a hurricane increases exponentially as wind speed increases by small amounts...just by shaving off a few mph, we save can potentially save billions. the government realized that, which is why we tried for two decades to accomplish this feat. more research into seeding certainly wouldn't hurt. 554135[/snapback] Do you not get the implications of this? They are catastrophic.
September 12, 200422 yr can you expound on that statement? 554135[/snapback] 554137[/snapback] The environment will be forever changed. If the seeding does the reversal, and it can cause rapid strengthening. It could also causes the hurricane to move differently. If it did, that would be catastrophic for wherever it went.
September 12, 200422 yr the purpose of said research is to be able to scientifically weaken the strength of a hurricane. the govt's top meteorologists weren't morons for wanting to reduce the strength of hurricanes, and if we had the technology to do so, you can bet we'd be using it today. i would take potential catastrophe over certain catastrophe any day of the week.
September 12, 200422 yr the purpose of said research is to be able to scientifically weaken the strength of a hurricane. the govt's top meteorologists weren't morons for wanting to reduce the strength of hurricanes, and if we had the technology to do so, you can bet we'd be using it today. i would take potential catastrophe over certain catastrophe any day of the week. 554144[/snapback] You do not understand the implications do you... Entire ecosystems will be screwed up. The water a hurricane provides is needed and whats to say this stuff doesn't absorb it. Irene certainly saved Florida from having a drought even worse.
September 12, 200422 yr there's no scientific basis to what appears to be your assertion that humans shaving a few mph off a hurricane will lead to some sort of major catastrophe worse than the hurricane itself. i guess that's the problem with research. many of those who are content with what little we know posess what you could call an irrational fear of the unknown--as if anything we try to manipulate must result in something awful and calamitous. again, i would take potential catastrophe over certain catastrophe ANY DAY of the week. and by the way, no one is talking about magically obliterating weak category 1 hurricanes (irene--and yes, i had to look that up on google). however, if you have the technology, you do what you must to weaken major hurricanes. (oh, and for the record, i'd take a drought over andrew any day, though that's beside the point, since there's no reason why a 100mph andrew would somehow leave us with a major drought.)
September 12, 200422 yr indeed...because shaving precious mph off of a huge storm must result in a catastrophe worse than a category 5 hurricane. conducting scientific research on how to lessen the devastation of hurricanes must be a bad thing. i feel like i'm having an argument with a member of the flat-earth society, or debating with a diehard republican or democrat who refuses to acknowledge reasoning that flies in the face of his preconceived beliefs. in actuality, the main arguments against hurricane cloud-seeding and the reasons we stopped putting money into researching it are: 1) its cost, and 2) the perceived futility of the experiments we conducted...it seemed pointless to attempt to weaken storms when we knew so little about how they formed in the first place. considering how unbelievably costly hurricanes are becoming for us now, this might be a good time to revisit funding such research. though i know you wouldnt publicly admit any holes in your inevitable-catastrophe hypothesis, if curiosity sets in and you want to read more about seeding and what experiments we have done in the past, here are a few links (they're all good reads): http://www.usatoday.com/weather/huricane/s.../wstormfury.htm http://www.usatoday.com/weather/research/wmodify.htm http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/Dai...kers020924.html http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/general/WWW000/text/sfury.html http://www.met.fsu.edu/Classes/Met4450/rep...450/mroczka.htm stormfury wasn't a success, but more research like it couldn't *possibly* be a bad thing, especially considering how many tens of billions the 2004 hurricane season will cost us. the scary thing is, some say 2004 is just the beginning of what is to come.
September 12, 200422 yr Author Is this the same stuff that was rumored to be used during Frances? :confused 554179[/snapback] I never saw anything on it, but if it was used then that could explain some of Frances actions. Don't mess with mother nature because it will come back to haunt you.
September 12, 200422 yr In the 1970s, we dumped mass quantities of silver iodide, a strong chemical, into the atmosphere, for the purpose of "storm seeding". Has there ever been a study to determine if there was any negative side effect from this experiment?
September 12, 200422 yr Author In the 1970s, we dumped mass quantities of silver iodide, a strong chemical, into the atmosphere, for the purpose of "storm seeding". Has there ever been a study to determine if there was any negative side effect from this experiment? 554208[/snapback] Silver Iodide could kill someone who is allergic to it easily. Doesn't seem to have worked as in the 70's, 80's and 90's we had few, but still very intese storms.
September 12, 200422 yr There was a study done to seed hurricanes by the US Army in the 1950s I believe. The first result ended up in causing it to snow and weaken. Every other time, it did the complete opposite.
September 12, 200422 yr cloud seeding is nothing new. i dont know if i would want to really perform a first test of this idea with a hurricane such as ivan though.
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