I'm still in the pro camp for this. Not only does putting on a Marlin uniform have a slight fountain of youth effect on players that no one else wants, but you'd have the biggest hispanic player ever behind Roberto Clemente playing in the capital of Latin America. Seems like a good combination to me.

I'm still in the pro camp for this. Not only does putting on a Marlin uniform have a slight fountain of youth effect on players that no one else wants, but you'd have the biggest hispanic player ever behind Roberto Clemente playing in the capital of Latin America. Seems like a good combination to me.

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If Sosa is traded (this fall or) in 2005 his 2006 $18 million contract goes from being an option year to a guaranteed year, making his contract worth a whopping, almost unbelievable $35 million over two seasons. I don't think there's a number short of $20-25 million that Hendry and the Cubs would have to eat to make a deal happen.

 

There are things the Cubs could do to mitigate some of it, say for example, throw in a Ryan Dempster and take a Juan Encarnacion off the acquiring team's hands but in the end someone has to pay Sammy his $35 mil if he is to be traded.

 

I suspect, much to the displeasure of Cubs fans, Sammy will be back in Wrigley for 2005 so the team can buy him out of 2006 for relatively cheap money.

Here's an update I came accross on Sosa's contract:

 

"...a series of lucrative payments that would increase Sosa's guaranteed money to $43 million over the next two years, according to contract details obtained by The Sporting News.

 

Sosa, who turns 36 on Nov. 12, currently is owed a minimum of $25 million by the Cubs ? $17 million for next season, a $3.5 million severance payment and a $4.5 million buyout if the club does not exercise his $18 million option for 2006.

 

If he were traded, the option would become guaranteed. In addition, a $19 million option would be added for '07 with a $4.5 million buyout.

 

That would bring the minimum amount owed Sosa to $43 million ? $35 million in salary, plus the $3.5 million severance payment and $4.5 million buyout for '07.

 

In addition, Sosa also possesses no-trade protection that he might waive only for a price, despite his growing frustration with the club.

 

All told, the price will be staggering for a player who just completed his third consecutive season of offensive decline, batting .253 with 35 homers and 80 RBIs in an injury-marred campaign.

 

"There is not a chance in hell that he will be traded," one agent says "Zero. Nada. Zilch." "

 

 

 

Kinda makes Preston Wilson's contract look like chickenfeed :whistle

 

It seems to me the best thing for the Marlins (and perhaps the rest of the Cubs' National League competitors) is to not involve themselves in a trade for Sosa, no matter how enticing, and let the Cubbies drown from the sheer weight of the contract they've tied themselves to. I have to wonder how many votes Hendry will recieve this time for GM of the Year after the particulars of this contract have been exposed.

Here's an update I came accross on Sosa's contract:

 

"...a series of lucrative payments that would increase Sosa's guaranteed money to $43 million over the next two years, according to contract details obtained by The Sporting News.

 

Sosa, who turns 36 on Nov. 12, currently is owed a minimum of $25 million by the Cubs ? $17 million for next season, a $3.5 million severance payment and a $4.5 million buyout if the club does not exercise his $18 million option for 2006.

 

If he were traded, the option would become guaranteed. In addition, a $19 million option would be added for '07 with a $4.5 million buyout.

 

That would bring the minimum amount owed Sosa to $43 million ? $35 million in salary, plus the $3.5 million severance payment and $4.5 million buyout for '07.

 

In addition, Sosa also possesses no-trade protection that he might waive only for a price, despite his growing frustration with the club.

 

All told, the price will be staggering for a player who just completed his third consecutive season of offensive decline, batting .253 with 35 homers and 80 RBIs in an injury-marred campaign.

 

"There is not a chance in hell that he will be traded," one agent says "Zero. Nada. Zilch." "

 

 

 

Kinda makes Preston Wilson's contract look like chickenfeed? :whistle

 

It seems to me the best thing for the Marlins (and perhaps the rest of the Cubs' National League competitors) is to not involve themselves in a trade for Sosa, no matter how enticing, and let the Cubbies drown from the sheer weight of the contract they've tied themselves to. I have to wonder how many votes Hendry will recieve this time for GM of the Year after the particulars of this contract have been exposed.?

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Well, everyone knew it was an albatross of a contract, but for a guy who was mashing 60 HR's a season when the deal was signed, it wasn't a really bad deal...besides, the Cubs never expected to be in trade talks, so that $19 million option in '07 and the guarantee of '06 were never really in the fold.

 

I think the important numbers to look at are $17 and $18 million because those are the figures that become guaranteed if he's traded; there's no chance in hell any team (especially us) pick up the $19 million option for '07.

 

The Cubs have, at least right now, gone beyond a state of repair with Sosa...Prior's bashing him publicly, demanding an apology for the team, management seems to be sending out the vibes that they'd deal him to any bidder, and he's been villified by the Chicago media. Honestly, there's no way I see him back in Chicago next season because he's already been run out of town, and it's not even Thanksgiving. So to say that there's "no chance" he's traded simply refers to him holding a huge contract and a no-trade clause meaning that if the Cubs get a suitor (like the Dodgers are rumored to be) it's more likely than not that he's going to shoot the deal down unless he's going to a team that he wants to go to (sounds a lot like Randy Johnson, lol). For that simple reason, I think the Marlins have the inside track for his services because just about any Dominican player has expressed interest in the Marlins (Pedro did two or three years ago, saying that if he couldn't play for the Red Sox, the fish would be the most intriguing team for him). Of course, the Cubs would have to eat half of his deal, but financially, eating half of Sosa's deal and taking Encarnacion and a prospect makes more financial sense for the Cubs than the proposed Green/Sosa swap.

 

Either way, no matter how much Sosa is in decline, there will always be a demand for him from teams struggling to draw fans simply because he is a HUGE name. He's the Domincan Babe Ruth, good or bad, he'd be marketeable beyond words down here.

Newest rumor out of chicago is sosa being traded to the Dodgers for Shawn Green. I'm telling you guys, you do NOT want Sammy Sosa down there in Florida. He is not a team player, he's against everything the Fish have built up the last few years with the team unity that has developed. We DON'T want him. Trust me.

Newest rumor out of chicago is sosa being traded to the Dodgers for Shawn Green. I'm telling you guys, you do NOT want Sammy Sosa down there in Florida. He is not a team player, he's against everything the Fish have built up the last few years with the team unity that has developed. We DON'T want him. Trust me.

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You're such a homer.

Newest rumor out of chicago is sosa being traded to the Dodgers for Shawn Green. I'm telling you guys, you do NOT want Sammy Sosa down there in Florida. He is not a team player, he's against everything the Fish have built up the last few years with the team unity that has developed. We DON'T want him. Trust me.

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isnt the rumor that the DePo and Hendry will talk about a possible trade involving the 2 stars?

 

not that its pretty much done.

"You're such a homer. "

 

 

What are you talking about? I'm a Marlins fan, not a Cubs fan.

"You're such a homer. "

 

 

What are you talking about? I'm a Marlins fan, not a Cubs fan.

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Our starting catcher at the start of the year was an alleged rapist. Our key reserve has a history of spousal abuse. A reserve outfielder and a pitcher in the minor leagues(!) demanded trades if they couldn't get playing time, heck we traded for a guy who last year who was moping all during last year's World Series because of playing time! A pitching coach was fired because three brats. Oh, and one of those brats won't shut up about unearned runs, get off the DL and back up his trash talk. Not to mention our starting thirdbaseman has been cranky half the year, calling out teammates, coaches, media, fans and front office personnel.

 

And you're going to claim the Marlins are built around clubhouse chemistry? Puh-lease. Sosa is a cry baby who's probably only demanding a trade to guarantee his 2006 option. But should he wind up in teal, he won't be the first 'me-first' player nor the last. He wouldn't bring down the clubhouse and wouldn't harm the team's chances to win.

Redmond has a history of spousal abuse??

"You're such a homer. "

 

 

What are you talking about?? I'm a Marlins fan, not a Cubs fan.

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Our starting catcher at the start of the year was an alleged rapist. Our key reserve has a history of spousal abuse. A reserve outfielder and a pitcher in the minor leagues(!) demanded trades if they couldn't get playing time, heck we traded for a guy who last year who was moping all during last year's World Series because of playing time! A pitching coach was fired because three brats. Oh, and one of those brats won't shut up about unearned runs, get off the DL and back up his trash talk. Not to mention our starting thirdbaseman has been cranky half the year, calling out teammates, coaches, media, fans and front office personnel.

 

And you're going to claim the Marlins are built around clubhouse chemistry? Puh-lease. Sosa is a cry baby who's probably only demanding a trade to guarantee his 2006 option. But should he wind up in teal, he won't be the first 'me-first' player nor the last. He wouldn't bring down the clubhouse and wouldn't harm the team's chances to win.

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And you forgot that we took a chance on an injury plagued club-house cancer in Pudge...that worked out well.

 

Most teams have curmedgeons, we're just lucky that our team doesn't play in a "fish-bowl" so a lot of the discord isn't published as heavily.

 

I'll take a chance on Sosa if the only rap is "he's bad for team chemistry." The only people who I haven't heard complain are Pierre and Castillo, and that's just because Castillo doesn't really speak English .

Redmond has a history of spousal abuse??

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He's speaking about Cordero.

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami. The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause. The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

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Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what the optimistis say, and again I understand they sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

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Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

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You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

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Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

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You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

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I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

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Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

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You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

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I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

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If the cubs take enc away from us and give us sammy for a good price, thats a good gamble to take. It would be great to make it a larger three team trade where we can throw someone else in and maybe acquire a prospect or bullpen arm in addition to sammy, maybe even someone for the bench. But the marlins CANNOT above all else enter this next season worse than they were at the start of 2004. The fans need to see that the FO wants to improve, if not no one will go to games except for me and 5 other people. Brining sammy is good, noit so much to the baseball geniuses but for the average fan its great. Sammy sells tickets and the good that can come from a healthy well perfoming sammy is greater than the loss from an injured bad playing sammy. This assuming of course we get him monetarily cheap

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

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Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

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You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

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I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

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Sosa makes about 14 million more than Enc. We'd have the Cubs pick up $6 million and we'd pay the other $8 million. This would free the Cubs from $8 million it would have to pay and give them a good chance to sign Beltran. That would mean we'd be paying Sosa $4 million more than we have budgeted for Enc right now. That would be a great pick up for us. Pavano is gone. We could sign another good pitcher (say, Paul Wilson) for roughing the same amount combined with the extra $4 million to Sosa that we have offered Pavano. That isn't "overpaying," IMO.

 

Unless the Cubs take on a bad long term contract (Wilson, etc.), no team will take Sosa with his option kicking in. This way they'd get rid of Sosa and have the money to get Beltran. Do you think they'd rather try that with the extra $8 million saved shipping Sosa or be stuck with Sean Green next year for $16 million?

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

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Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

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You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

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I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

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Sosa makes about 14 million more than Enc. We'd have the Cubs pick up $6 million and we'd pay the other $8 million. This would free the Cubs from $8 million it would have to pay and give them a good chance to sign Beltran. That would mean we'd be paying Sosa $4 million more than we have budgeted for Enc right now. That would be a great pick up for us. Pavano is gone. We could sign another good pitcher (say, Paul Wilson) for roughing the same amount combined with the extra $4 million to Sosa that we have offered Pavano. That isn't "overpaying," IMO.

 

Unless the Cubs take on a bad long term contract (Wilson, etc.), no team will take Sosa with his option kicking in. This way they'd get rid of Sosa and have the money to get Beltran. Do you think they'd rather try that with the extra $8 million saved shipping Sosa or be stuck with Sean Green next year for $16 million?

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I suspect you missed the post above regarding the true cost and the clauses included in Sammy's contract IF HE IS TRADED. The costs, according to Sporting News is approximately $43 million, all of it guaranteed. I'm accepting the SN information as accurate and I don't see how the guy can be traded without significant (as defined in my previous posts) enticements whether it be to the Marlins or any other team.

 

But as I said earlier, we all have our opinions and we'll see how it all plays out.

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

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Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

610692[/snapback]

 

You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

610717[/snapback]

 

I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

610722[/snapback]

 

Sosa makes about 14 million more than Enc. We'd have the Cubs pick up $6 million and we'd pay the other $8 million. This would free the Cubs from $8 million it would have to pay and give them a good chance to sign Beltran. That would mean we'd be paying Sosa $4 million more than we have budgeted for Enc right now. That would be a great pick up for us. Pavano is gone. We could sign another good pitcher (say, Paul Wilson) for roughing the same amount combined with the extra $4 million to Sosa that we have offered Pavano. That isn't "overpaying," IMO.

 

Unless the Cubs take on a bad long term contract (Wilson, etc.), no team will take Sosa with his option kicking in. This way they'd get rid of Sosa and have the money to get Beltran. Do you think they'd rather try that with the extra $8 million saved shipping Sosa or be stuck with Sean Green next year for $16 million?

610729[/snapback]

 

 

I suspect you missed the post above regarding the true cost and the clauses included in Sammy's contract IF HE IS TRADED. The costs, according to Sporting News is approximately $43 million, all of it guaranteed. I'm accepting the SN information as accurate and I don't see how the guy can be traded without significant (as defined in my previous posts) enticements whether it be to the Marlins or any other team.

 

But as I said earlier, we all have our opinions and we'll see how it all plays out.

610737[/snapback]

 

I said Sosa would have to waive the automatic option that kicks in upon being traded. If he is willing to do that, which I think he would be, my above post is correct.

 

Sosa's Conract

 

I was wrong. He makes $17 million next year, not $18. So that is $1 million less needed to be split. :thumbup

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

610674[/snapback]

 

 

Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

610692[/snapback]

 

You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

610717[/snapback]

 

I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

610722[/snapback]

 

Sosa makes about 14 million more than Enc. We'd have the Cubs pick up $6 million and we'd pay the other $8 million. This would free the Cubs from $8 million it would have to pay and give them a good chance to sign Beltran. That would mean we'd be paying Sosa $4 million more than we have budgeted for Enc right now. That would be a great pick up for us. Pavano is gone. We could sign another good pitcher (say, Paul Wilson) for roughing the same amount combined with the extra $4 million to Sosa that we have offered Pavano. That isn't "overpaying," IMO.

 

Unless the Cubs take on a bad long term contract (Wilson, etc.), no team will take Sosa with his option kicking in. This way they'd get rid of Sosa and have the money to get Beltran. Do you think they'd rather try that with the extra $8 million saved shipping Sosa or be stuck with Sean Green next year for $16 million?

610729[/snapback]

 

 

I suspect you missed the post above regarding the true cost and the clauses included in Sammy's contract IF HE IS TRADED. The costs, according to Sporting News is approximately $43 million, all of it guaranteed. I'm accepting the SN information as accurate and I don't see how the guy can be traded without significant (as defined in my previous posts) enticements whether it be to the Marlins or any other team.

 

But as I said earlier, we all have our opinions and we'll see how it all plays out.

610737[/snapback]

 

I said Sosa would have to waive the automatic option that kicks in upon being traded. If he is willing to do that, which I think he would be, my above post is correct.

 

Sosa's Conract

 

I was wrong. He makes $17 million next year, not $18. So that is $1 million less needed to be split. :thumbup

610738[/snapback]

 

So you are asking the guy to give $25 million for the pleasure of playing for the Fish?

 

Reread this post from Sporting News

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

610674[/snapback]

 

 

Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

610692[/snapback]

 

You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

610717[/snapback]

 

I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

610722[/snapback]

 

Sosa makes about 14 million more than Enc. We'd have the Cubs pick up $6 million and we'd pay the other $8 million. This would free the Cubs from $8 million it would have to pay and give them a good chance to sign Beltran. That would mean we'd be paying Sosa $4 million more than we have budgeted for Enc right now. That would be a great pick up for us. Pavano is gone. We could sign another good pitcher (say, Paul Wilson) for roughing the same amount combined with the extra $4 million to Sosa that we have offered Pavano. That isn't "overpaying," IMO.

 

Unless the Cubs take on a bad long term contract (Wilson, etc.), no team will take Sosa with his option kicking in. This way they'd get rid of Sosa and have the money to get Beltran. Do you think they'd rather try that with the extra $8 million saved shipping Sosa or be stuck with Sean Green next year for $16 million?

610729[/snapback]

 

 

I suspect you missed the post above regarding the true cost and the clauses included in Sammy's contract IF HE IS TRADED. The costs, according to Sporting News is approximately $43 million, all of it guaranteed. I'm accepting the SN information as accurate and I don't see how the guy can be traded without significant (as defined in my previous posts) enticements whether it be to the Marlins or any other team.

 

But as I said earlier, we all have our opinions and we'll see how it all plays out.

610737[/snapback]

 

I said Sosa would have to waive the automatic option that kicks in upon being traded. If he is willing to do that, which I think he would be, my above post is correct.

 

Sosa's Conract

 

I was wrong. He makes $17 million next year, not $18. So that is $1 million less needed to be split. :thumbup

610738[/snapback]

 

So you are asking the guy to give $25 million for the pleasure of playing for the Fish?

610740[/snapback]

 

If that's his only real choice to get out of Chicago, yeah. There have been rumors in the national press that he may be willing to do that for the right place.

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

610674[/snapback]

 

 

Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

610692[/snapback]

 

You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

610717[/snapback]

 

I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

610722[/snapback]

 

Sosa makes about 14 million more than Enc. We'd have the Cubs pick up $6 million and we'd pay the other $8 million. This would free the Cubs from $8 million it would have to pay and give them a good chance to sign Beltran. That would mean we'd be paying Sosa $4 million more than we have budgeted for Enc right now. That would be a great pick up for us. Pavano is gone. We could sign another good pitcher (say, Paul Wilson) for roughing the same amount combined with the extra $4 million to Sosa that we have offered Pavano. That isn't "overpaying," IMO.

 

Unless the Cubs take on a bad long term contract (Wilson, etc.), no team will take Sosa with his option kicking in. This way they'd get rid of Sosa and have the money to get Beltran. Do you think they'd rather try that with the extra $8 million saved shipping Sosa or be stuck with Sean Green next year for $16 million?

610729[/snapback]

 

 

I suspect you missed the post above regarding the true cost and the clauses included in Sammy's contract IF HE IS TRADED. The costs, according to Sporting News is approximately $43 million, all of it guaranteed. I'm accepting the SN information as accurate and I don't see how the guy can be traded without significant (as defined in my previous posts) enticements whether it be to the Marlins or any other team.

 

But as I said earlier, we all have our opinions and we'll see how it all plays out.

610737[/snapback]

 

I said Sosa would have to waive the automatic option that kicks in upon being traded. If he is willing to do that, which I think he would be, my above post is correct.

 

Sosa's Conract

 

I was wrong. He makes $17 million next year, not $18. So that is $1 million less needed to be split. :thumbup

610738[/snapback]

 

So you are asking the guy to give $25 million for the pleasure of playing for the Fish?

610740[/snapback]

 

If that's his only real choice to get out of Chicago, yeah. There have been rumors in the national press that he may be willing to do that for the right place.

610742[/snapback]

 

If you believe Sammy would be willing to give up $25 million (OMG!) then there's no logical argument I can make.

 

Let's agree to disagree.

i would love to have Sosa on this team but we just dont have the money to bring in a player like him

Marlins2003,

 

If we traded for Sosa, he'd have to agree to waive his option kicking in, which I believe he would in order to come to Miami.? The Cubs would handled the severance pay and buyout clause.? The thing that would need a real discussion is how much the Cubs would pay this year in addition to taking Enc.

610674[/snapback]

 

 

Perhaps Sammy could go to India and do the work of Mother Teresa too.

 

Anyone who gives up $20+ million to play baseball in South Florida (or anywhere else for that matter) should have his head examined. I don't want to be disagreeable but it's just too much money to expect anyone to walk away from. It isn't like it's a million or two that he's be asked to eat, it's a bloody fortune! And when you consider the poverty that Sosa grew up in and what that means to him as validation and even altruistically, the good he could do with it, I'd be speechless if he agreed to take less.

 

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine him doing it.

 

As for Enc (or more specifically the enticements that might make the deal happen), as I said above, I'd like to see a Ryan Dempster and maybe a AAA player who's major league ready thrown in as well. The only way to make this deal financially palatable for the Fish is to jettison Enc's salary and at the same time fill another roster spot at little or no cost to the team so the FO can "average" the two salaries.

 

Regardless of what RFerry says, and again I understand he sees Sosa as a glass half full, the FO has an obligation, especially in light of their financial constraints, to consider what they do if Sosa can't or doesn't perform. I suspect the latin community will tire quickly of an underacheiving Sammy Sosa, regardless of his heritage, and his importance as a gate attraction will quickly evaporate.

610692[/snapback]

 

You're missing the key. Right now only a handful of teams could overpay Sosa with the option kicking in and most wouldn't. If Sosa had to choose between going back to a place he doesn't want to be or waive the option, he'd waive it. Without being traded, his option is worthless besides the buyout money, and he'd get that in the deal I mentioned.

 

Sosa has a house in Miami and I have a feeling would love to be in a no pressure environment like FL. I think he'd waive his option in order to become a Marlin.

 

As for throwing in other players/prospects, that won't happen. Those players would cost us picking up most of the money Sosa is owed next year. We'd be better off taking only Sosa and more money from the Cubs.

610717[/snapback]

 

I'm not missing anything, I have an opinion and so do you. Both are valid.

 

Let's see how it plays out, but I don't understand why you think this team (the Marlins) can afford to "overpay" for Sammy when they can't re-sign their existing closer and probably Pavano as well or why Sammy would walk away from a guaranteed fortune ($$$) just to live in South Florida?

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my post regarding compensation from the Cubs to get rid of the guy. I'm not suggesting the Marlins take additional players in lieu of a large contribution from the Cubs, I'm suggesting they take players AND a large (read $25 million) contribution from the Cubs. Right now Sammy is damaged goods, no one is going to trade for the guy until he proves he's healthy and can be productive unless the enticement is so good the acquiring team can't say no.

610722[/snapback]

 

Sosa makes about 14 million more than Enc. We'd have the Cubs pick up $6 million and we'd pay the other $8 million. This would free the Cubs from $8 million it would have to pay and give them a good chance to sign Beltran. That would mean we'd be paying Sosa $4 million more than we have budgeted for Enc right now. That would be a great pick up for us. Pavano is gone. We could sign another good pitcher (say, Paul Wilson) for roughing the same amount combined with the extra $4 million to Sosa that we have offered Pavano. That isn't "overpaying," IMO.

 

Unless the Cubs take on a bad long term contract (Wilson, etc.), no team will take Sosa with his option kicking in. This way they'd get rid of Sosa and have the money to get Beltran. Do you think they'd rather try that with the extra $8 million saved shipping Sosa or be stuck with Sean Green next year for $16 million?

610729[/snapback]

 

 

I suspect you missed the post above regarding the true cost and the clauses included in Sammy's contract IF HE IS TRADED. The costs, according to Sporting News is approximately $43 million, all of it guaranteed. I'm accepting the SN information as accurate and I don't see how the guy can be traded without significant (as defined in my previous posts) enticements whether it be to the Marlins or any other team.

 

But as I said earlier, we all have our opinions and we'll see how it all plays out.

610737[/snapback]

 

I said Sosa would have to waive the automatic option that kicks in upon being traded. If he is willing to do that, which I think he would be, my above post is correct.

 

Sosa's Conract

 

I was wrong. He makes $17 million next year, not $18. So that is $1 million less needed to be split. :thumbup

610738[/snapback]

 

So you are asking the guy to give $25 million for the pleasure of playing for the Fish?

610740[/snapback]

 

If that's his only real choice to get out of Chicago, yeah. There have been rumors in the national press that he may be willing to do that for the right place.

610742[/snapback]

 

If you believe Sammy would be willing to give up $25 million (OMG!) then there's no logical argument I can make.

 

Let's agree to disagree.

610746[/snapback]

 

He'd only be giving up $13.5 millon. The $3.5 million severance pay comes at the end of the contract regardless of if the last year is picked up. If he isn't traded, he'd be a $4.5 million buyout. Add the buyout payment as say him signing for $9 million the next year with us, he'd only give up $4.5 million waiving that option kicking in and playing out the contract as if he wasn't traded.