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The Cards got further that I expected, honestly. I thought that their pitching wouldnt hold up - but their hitting was excellent. Until they faced the Red Sox (and that perplexes me more than anything - there really wasnt anyone that was unhittable in that rotation).

 

That said, you can only win in the postseason with power pitching. You cant finesse you way to the championship. Just ask the Braves who have been trying to figure that out for over a decade now.

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I mean if we would trade him for Morris, Williams or Marquis we'd be much better off ... :mischief

 

After watching the Cardinals suck so bad, I appreciate what these guys did even more. So what that they didn't win Cy Youngs and MVPs.

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Moron!

 

Marquis would be our #5. Morris played like s*** this year and Williams is old as dog crap. Call me when either of them pitch into the 7th inning of a World Series game. :whistle

 

The Cards would trade 3/5ths of their starting staff to get Beckett at the price he makes. f***ing hell, the best Cards' pitcher would have been, at best, our 4th starter in the playoffs behind Beckett/AJ/Pavano. :shifty

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Guys, I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic, jeez, read the entire post before you respond.

 

 

After watching the Cardinals suck so bad, I appreciate what these guys did even more. So what that they didn't win Cy Youngs and MVPs.

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I'm too drunk and arguing with a Cards' fan (I know) on IM about how "great" their pitching is too pay attention to the tone of the thread. I've been fed up all year about how "great" their pitching is. He just told me Carpenter is better than any of our pitchers and that Morris is their #5 pitcher. :lol

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its not that hes overrated he just need to stay healthy and hell put up the numbers hes capable of

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I dunno about trading for a Cards pitcher, but Beckett is highly overrated.

 

Regardless of his superior performance in the playoffs last year he's a career .500 pitcher who has repeatedly been prone to injury. Not exactly a world beater.

 

And the excuses about potential only go so far. This has been the catch-all excuse for every SP since Dempster, but at some point these guys have to consistently produce, and not one of them has.

 

The ability to perform in the playoffs doesn't mean squat if you can't get in.

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The Cards got further that I expected, honestly. I thought that their pitching wouldnt hold up - but their hitting was excellent. Until they faced the Red Sox (and that perplexes me more than anything - there really wasnt anyone that was unhittable in that rotation).

 

That said, you can only win in the postseason with power pitching. You cant finesse you way to the championship. Just ask the Braves who have been trying to figure that out for over a decade now.

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It pissed me off to see Harold Reynolds say the Cardinals didn't choke, but overachieved to get here when HE PICKED THEM TO WIN before the series started.

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I mean if we would trade him for Morris, Williams or Marquis we'd be much better off ... :mischief

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you lost total credibility to your argument with that sentence alone.

 

williams is ancient.

morris isn't what he was. everybody is racking his curveball.

marquis :lol :lol :lol

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vury overratted. he was MVP in !!03!!. hes so old now. he doesnt put up that good numbers.he needs a major attitude change

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Again this is on the basis of 2 starts. When you look at Beckett's career adjusted ERA+ you can see that he is not a very good pitcher. I don't care how many Yankees he K'd in the WS. It's not a big enough sample.

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vury overratted. he was MVP in !!03!!. hes so old now. he doesnt put up that good numbers.he needs a major attitude change

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Again this is on the basis of 2 starts. When you look at Beckett's career adjusted ERA+ you can see that he is not a very good pitcher. I don't care how many Yankees he K'd in the WS. It's not a big enough sample.

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Yeah, Beckett sucks. The Mets wouldn't take him off our hands if we offered him for a bag of balls. :whistle

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vury overratted. he was MVP in !!03!!. hes so old now. he doesnt put up that good numbers.he needs a major attitude change

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Again this is on the basis of 2 starts. When you look at Beckett's career adjusted ERA+ you can see that he is not a very good pitcher. I don't care how many Yankees he K'd in the WS. It's not a big enough sample.

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It's not that Beckett doesn't have the goods......it might be more accurate to say he isn't a very smart pitcher.....prone to throwing mistake pitches. He still believes he can overpower anyone, and gets burned a lot because of it.

 

We can only hope some maturity will do wonders for him.

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I know this is a very minor detail, but his postseason did not just consist of 2 starts vs the Yankees. Without him in the NLCS, we don't make it to the World Series... He had that one complete game shutout vs the Cubs at the Pro... Then he had the game where he came in for 4 innings of relief and shut them down.

 

His ERA this past season wasn't too bad and he showed signs of brilliance. I was at the game vs the White Sox where he hurt his back. He looked absolutely unhittable that day (8 k's through 3 innings). If he can stay healthy and listen to his coaches, he's gonna be one of the best.

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