November 6, 200421 yr DES MOINES, Iowa - President Bush (news - web sites) won Iowa on Friday, finishing the 2004 campaign with wins in all three of the states that were still up in the air on election night. The last result came in the state that started the election year with its party caucuses back in January. Although Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) had already conceded the race for the White House on Wednesday, the counting of absentee ballots continued in Iowa, which had been too close to call. By Friday, Bush had 745,980 votes and Kerry had 732,764 with the number of outstanding ballots too few to change the outcome. Long after the polls closed on Tuesday, Bush won Ohio, which gave him the 270 electoral votes necessary for a second term, and then he won New Mexico. With Iowa decided on Friday, Bush finished with 286 electoral votes and Kerry 252. In 2000, Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) won Iowa and New Mexico. The only Republican-to-Democratic switch this year was New Hampshire. The Democrats' defeat in Iowa reflects a larger problem for them in the Midwest and across the political map. Along with Wisconsin and Minnesota, Iowa and its seven electoral votes are part of the once-Democratic Upper Midwest that is growing more conservative with each presidential election. Kerry won Minnesota by just 3 percentage points, Wisconsin by a single point. In addition, Michigan and Pennsylvania went Democratic by 3 percentage points or less and Bush won Ohio despite its economic miseries. Democrats hope to cultivate the Southwest as a fertile substitute for Midwest losses, but Bush narrowed Democratic advantages among Hispanics in the region. So GOP red states dominated the Electoral College (news - web sites) map, with dashes of blue saved for both coasts and the shifting Midwest. Kerry began campaigning in Iowa nearly three years ago. His surprising win in the Jan. 19 caucuses over a slate of eight other candidates gave him the momentum to claim the Democratic nomination. In Iowa, absentee ballots had to be postmarked by Nov. 1, and those received by county auditors up until noon Monday can be counted. Special precinct boards also have been reviewing provisional ballots that were cast. The state will not certify its results until Nov. 29. Iowa Secretary of State Chet Culver had asked the public for patience while the state pursued its vote-counting process, which has been in place for 30 years. Both the Bush and Kerry campaigns had worked hard to capture Iowa's electoral votes, with a steady stream of visitors in the weeks leading up to Election Day. Before this year, the last Republican to carry Iowa was Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) in 1984. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../president_iowa
November 7, 200421 yr Whoop-de-do. Let "freedom" reign. If you can call it that anymore... 610153[/snapback] Man you libbies never give up, I always thought you guys had more class, boo freakin hoo, want some cheese with your whine
November 7, 200421 yr Whoop-de-do. Let "freedom" reign. If you can call it that anymore... 610153[/snapback] Man you libbies never give up, I always thought you guys had more class, boo freakin hoo, want some cheese with your whine 610157[/snapback] There was no need to post this thread. Just because Bush was re-elected doesn't mean I have to like it.
November 7, 200421 yr Give me an issue, I'll give you a tissue - Lou Reed.?? :lol :elefant :tissue There's always Canada - take I95 north... 610174[/snapback] Before you take I-95 north remember to get a visa or apply for citizenship please...you don't want to be deported from the promised land now do you?
November 7, 200421 yr Author Whoop-de-do. Let "freedom" reign. If you can call it that anymore... 610153[/snapback] Man you libbies never give up, I always thought you guys had more class, boo freakin hoo, want some cheese with your whine 610157[/snapback] There was no need to post this thread. Just because Bush was re-elected doesn't mean I have to like it. 610162[/snapback] Just because Bush was re-elected doesn't mean you have to be a jerk about it, too.
November 7, 200421 yr Not to worry, the bitching phase will cease next time a Dem wins an election. :plain
November 8, 200421 yr Author Not to worry, the bitching phase will cease next time a Dem wins an election. :plain 610386[/snapback] Looks like they'll be bitching for a long long time then.
November 8, 200421 yr Whoop-de-do. Let "freedom" reign. If you can call it that anymore... 610153[/snapback] If you actually believe that I feel bad for you intellectually. Our political process is at a point where one man cannot compltely change the scope of our nation. There were times when the dems had control of the pres. and congress, and people didnt like it but the country survived, at some points thrived, and at other points was terrible. The point is in 4 years we'll have another election and the quality of life and freedom in this country will not change drastically. By the way you want to talk about taking away freedoms? You may think banning gay marriage is taking away a freedom (which it probably is), but so is forcing people to give money tothe govt for whatever reason, this includes health care and social security. Govt forcing you to do anything takes away your freedom, so by your logic thank god kerry didnt win
November 8, 200421 yr You may think banning gay marriage is taking away a freedom (which it probably is), but so is forcing people to give money tothe govt for whatever reason, this includes health care and social security. Govt forcing you to do anything takes away your freedom, so by your logic thank god kerry didnt win You have a screwed-up definition of "freedom" if you think government-run healthcare impinges on your freedom.
November 8, 200421 yr You may think banning gay marriage is taking away a freedom (which it probably is), but so is forcing people to give money tothe govt for whatever reason, this includes health care and social security. Govt forcing you to do anything takes away your freedom, so by your logic thank god kerry didnt win You have a screwed-up definition of "freedom" if you think government-run healthcare impinges on your freedom. 610695[/snapback] Government FORCING you to give them money so they can control its use, is infringing on my freedom. Thats as obvious as the government not letting gays marry. Freedom is financial freedom as much as it is freedom of actions, speech, or being
November 8, 200421 yr Government FORCING you to give them money so they can control its use, is infringing on my freedom. Thats as obvious as the government not letting gays marry. Freedom is financial freedom as much as it is freedom of actions, speech, or being. Without the government FORCING you to give them money for schools, roads, infrastructure, etc. you wouldn't have any means to make the money that makes you so "free". Financial freedom is not the same as freedom of actions, speech, or being. If you feel overburdened by money and taxes, nothing is stopping you from leaving the city and living off the land.
November 8, 200421 yr Government FORCING you to give them money so they can control its use, is infringing on my freedom. Thats as obvious as the government not letting gays marry. Freedom is financial freedom as much as it is freedom of actions, speech, or being. Without the government FORCING you to give them money for schools, roads, infrastructure, etc. you wouldn't have any means to make the money that makes you so "free". Financial freedom is not the same as freedom of actions, speech, or being. If you feel overburdened by money and taxes, nothing is stopping you from leaving the city and living off the land. 610726[/snapback] Lets see how far i get not paying my taxes. And i argue with your first line of reasoning. I believe the school system, roads, and infrastructure COULD exist without govt forcing me to give them money. So i would havce the means to be free. I'm not going to argue the ideological and practical basis for libertarianism versus modern liberalism. No matter where i live in the USA, if i want to work and be rich i need to pay taxes, maybe lower in the country but i still need to pay them
November 8, 200421 yr Give me an issue, I'll give you a tissue - Lou Reed. :lol :elefant :tissue There's always Canada - take I95 north... 610174[/snapback] Before you take I-95 north remember to get a visa or apply for citizenship please...you don't want to be deported from the promised land now do you? 610194[/snapback] Why even go to Canada, I can always move to the United States of Canada, aka California, New York, Pennsylvania... :lol Which provinces is better? Baja Canada or New America? :plain
November 8, 200421 yr I like my map better. 610747[/snapback] You would actually move to canada? Good friend of mine lived in toronto for several years. Didnt like it one bit. Taxes too high. Defintely there were some good parts but in the end he moved to the US and lives in SC now
November 8, 200421 yr I like my map better.? 610747[/snapback] You would actually move to canada? Good friend of mine lived in toronto for several years. Didnt like it one bit. Taxes too high. Defintely there were some good parts but in the end he moved to the US and lives in SC now 610749[/snapback] Hell no.
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