And should've seen how excited I was when the Burnett for Dunn rumor broke.

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The Reds still have 4 everyday outfielders and still need pitching. :mischief

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And the rumor still was Josh Beckett.

 

For the past few days you have argued to me that we should not sign Magglio Ordonez. I have never seen you speak a word condoning (sp) his signing.

Wow. That bitch got pwn3d.

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I know a 15 year old didn't just use fowl language in reference to another person... Can't be....

I have that picture up because he is a dope. You kidding me, when we first got Choi I wanted to kill myself, or him. I thought that was the end of everything. My best friend would attest to the fact that I told him, when my old car broke down and was done for that I wish it could have taken Choi with it. And then the season rolled around and Choi performed. He still looks like a dope, but he can play.

 

I just can't stand when people make blanket statements without looking at the facts. How am I suppose to take someone serious if they just say what they feel about something and have nothing to back it up, let alone the statistics counter what they say. You say his numbers were somewhat respectable. He was in the top 15 of a lot of many statistical categories, despite missing a lot of games once he was traded. Not to mention he would have finished higher in a number of categories if he was able to play the games the Dodgers sat him.

 

Where are your facts, your numbers that make Choi "somewhat respectable". I have fact and numbers that show he is very respectable. I also have facts that Lo Duca is far from consistent (see his second half performance nearly any year) meanwhile you say he is. Show it! When you just say things without showing it, its nonesense. Anyone can say anything and say they are right, doesn't mean they are. You need evidence.

 

I feel you need to look at numbers when breaking down a player and decide if they are good or not. You think you can just think about them I guess. You don't give rhyme or reason why you think like you do you just say how you think and how you see it. I back up what I say. Its as simple as that.

To be honest with you, dude.. You must have a lot more time on your hands then. I'm on this site most of the time while I'm working, so I flip back and forth... Sorry I don't have the time to play "Baseball Statistician" like you do to look up every number possible.

 

All I'm saying is that I would prefer to start the season with Lo Duca in our lineup over Choi.. Lo Duca is a proven All-Star. Choi put up big numbers for a couple of months and has yet to prove himself over a full season, much less a career...

 

I have nothing against Choi. I hated that he had to be included in the trade, especially just days after he hit that huge homerun (sorry, I can't look it up to see who he hit it off of and what the score was and how many fans were in attendance, but I'm sure you have that)... But if it comes down to Choi vs. Paul.... I want Paul.

 

You want numbers, Choi struck out 96 times in 343 at bats. Lo Duca struck out 49 times in 535 at bats.

To think Juan will be any better for us this year than he was last year is ridiculous. With us last year he posted a .238 ba but a .320 obp. That OBP is better than what he posted in 2002 for the last part of the year and the entire 2003 year. So if he put up number from 2003 his OBP would be lower. So all you :censored who are hoping he returns to his 2003 form, his OBP would be lower than what he put up for us last year! Also he only has 2 GIDP for us last year, in all of 2003 he had 17. His RBI numbers in 2003 were thrown off because of the great batters we had infront of him. He's had over 74 RBIs only twice, 2002 and 2003. Since 2002 his BA dropped in 2003 and 2004.

 

 

Cabs will be better, but teams aren't dumb they will pitch around him and he has shown he will chase bad pitches when he gets frustrated when he doesn't get something good to hit. I can think of plenty of times last year he went down swinging at horrible pitches that he knows he shouldn't have swung at.

 

Alex through his entire career has been pretty constant. The only thing that has changed over the last few years is that his power number are higher, but his average and obp are still close to his career numbers: 242/287. His career high for a season is 277/313, hardly stellar. As one could expect, as his power number go up so do his K's, 20 more last year than 2003, also his career high, 126 Ks. He also GIDP 17 times last year, which his career average is 13, he only did it 8 times in 2003. But that is due to the speed on the 2003 team.

 

Lowell also had a better year last year than 03, so saying you want him to have an 03 year is moronic, but I won't blame you for not doing research. Last year Lowell posted a 293 ba and a 365 OBP. In 2003 he posted a 276 ba and 350 obp. His homers dropped a bit last year, but he did hit that funk. And also, like Juan, in 2003 his rbi number were inflated because of the great years by Pudge and D. Lee who are no longer around.

 

The Pudge and D. Lee factors:

 

Pudge in 03: 297 ba/369 obp scored 90 runs

D. Lee in 03: 271 ba/379 obp scored 91 runs

 

On the 03 team 4 players scored over 90 runs, Lee, Pudge, Castillo and Pierre. Last year only 3 Castillo, Pierre and Cabrera.

 

Pudge's 297 ba would have been second on the team last year. D. Lee's 379 OBP would have lead the team last year and Pudge's 369 OBP would have been 3rd.

 

Sure we get Lo Duca for the whole year but that means we won't have Choi posting his .388 OBP and 270 BA his first half of the year like we did last year. Will Lo Duca out do what Choi did the first half of last year? I doubt it. And I especially doubt Lo Duca will put up the power numbers Choi did. And lets not discuss Lo Duca the second half of the year, because it is depressing to think about.

 

 

 

So in conclusion:

 

Encarnacion had a better year than he did in 03, argueablly. Will he get any better? Doubtful. Lowell also had a better year last year. The 03 team had plenty of offense. How are we doing to replace the offense we lost in Pudge and D. Lee? By doing nothing. So to think the offense will return to what it was in 03 is ridiculous. Our pitching, including bullpen pitching, was just as good or better than what he had in 03 and we did considerablly worse. Our offense is what needs help, not pitching. The numbers are there, research people!

 

2003 teams ERA: 4.04 and 692 total runs

2004 Team ERA: 4.10 and 700 total runs

 

what changed? The pitching did not get considerablly worse (8 runs in an entire year), the offense did.

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Encarnacion's slugging pecentage was .381 last year with the Fish and a significantly better .446 in 2003. Enc also has a career .440 Slugging. To think it ridiculous that he will post better numbers is being argumentative for the sake of it and borderline moronic.

 

Why ignore Slugging? This offense stunk last season because of a great lack of it, the fact that you want to blindly shift all attention to OBP in judging a player's ability makes no sense. Lowell had a .530 slugging in 2003, 25 points higher than he did in 2004.

 

This offense needs more slugging than it did last year, it's very likely Encarnacion will improve in that respect and perhaps Lowell will as well. But to say they had their best seasons last year than in 2003 doesn't add up. They both had a higher OPS in 2003.

 

Alex's power is getting better, it would all the sense in the world for him to have his best season next year with his contract status, his power trend, and his age you can say he's poised to do a bit better.

 

Our rotation will be better than it was last year if healthy, our relief pitching will be better than it was last season and our offense will be a bit better. Choi's passive bat during the later months didn't help at all, we lost because he couldn't come close to putting up the power numbers he was doing in April along with others. This team as is has a shot at 88 wins without reaching all that far. The division might only require an 88 game or 90 game winner.

Rock on, cobaincola... Nice to see someone else with some sense... and the numbers to back it up... nicely done.

To be honest with you, dude.. You must have a lot more time on your hands then. I'm on this site most of the time while I'm working, so I flip back and forth... Sorry I don't have the time to play "Baseball Statistician" like you do to look up every number possible.

 

All I'm saying is that I would prefer to start the season with Lo Duca in our lineup over Choi.. Lo Duca is a proven All-Star. Choi put up big numbers for a couple of months and has yet to prove himself over a full season, much less a career...

 

I have nothing against Choi. I hated that he had to be included in the trade, especially just days after he hit that huge homerun (sorry, I can't look it up to see who he hit it off of and what the score was and how many fans were in attendance, but I'm sure you have that)... But if it comes down to Choi vs. Paul.... I want Paul.

 

You want numbers, Choi struck out 96 times in 343 at bats. Lo Duca struck out 49 times in 535 at bats.

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Choi is a nice bat but having him on the team last year was overkill he wasn't nearly as productive as his numbers suggested he was. His April dwarfed all the numbers he posted later in the year, he never got close to being a power threat in the following months. The last thing the Fish needed last year was another empty power threat that got on base alot.

 

Lo Duca is over-rated, but I'd rather him starting than the woeful unbearable platoon we had last season. The difference right there is more than enough to offset any downgrade we suffered by getting rid of Choi.

And should've seen how excited I was when the Burnett for Dunn rumor broke.

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The Reds still have 4 everyday outfielders and still need pitching. :mischief

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And the rumor still was Josh Beckett.

 

For the past few days you have argued to me that we should not sign Magglio Ordonez. I have never seen you speak a word condoning (sp) his signing.

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You should visit here more often then. I post nearly every day. You can check the archives.

 

My point wasn't necessarily we shouldn't sign Magglio, I said I'd like to have him and out of the three names disucsed in the thread (Drew and Delgado being the other two) he was the safest bet. It was just that offensively Magglio + Conine produces more or less the same amount of offense as two well-crafted platoons. And signing just one big bat would not do much to help the bench, or leave any money for a 5th starter and reliever.

Choi is a nice bat but having him on the team last year was overkill he wasn't nearly as productive as his numbers suggested he was. His April dwarfed all the numbers he posted later in the year, he never got close to being a power threat in the following months. The last thing the Fish needed last year was another empty power threat that got on base alot.

 

Lo Duca is over-rated, but I'd rather him starting than the woeful unbearable platoon we had last season. The difference right there is more than enough to offset any downgrade we suffered by getting rid of Choi.

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Agreed.... I don't think LoDuca is our answer to the World Series. He definitely helps (and is an absolute upgrade over our platoon early last season), but we will need productivity from the entire lineup. In no way, do I think he can replace Pudge's bat of '03. But if given the option to start the season with Choi or LoDuca in our lineup, I take LoDuca.

Encarnacion's slugging pecentage was .381 last year with the Fish and a significantly better .446 in 2003. Enc also has a career .440 Slugging. To think it ridiculous that he will post better numbers is being argumentative for the sake of it and borderline moronic.

 

Why ignore Slugging? This offense stunk last season because of a great lack of it, the fact that you want to blindly shift all attention to OBP in judging a player's ability makes no sense. Lowell had a .530 slugging in 2003, 25 points higher than he did in 2004.

 

I didn't say everything was about OBP I also took RISP into consideration. How many games can you remember from last year where we had guys in scoring position and couldn't get them home with one or two outs? I think RISP was the biggest problem the Marlins had last year, not slugging. Also slugging takes away the bases a batter got for drawing more walks, punishing someone like Juan who became better at drawing walks and having a higher OBP. I think the OBP is the purest of all the stats because it takes everything into account. Average only takes into account the times the you put the ball into play or struck out. Slugging, same thing. OBP, every at bat.

 

This offense needs more slugging than it did last year, it's very likely Encarnacion will improve in that respect and perhaps Lowell will as well. But to say they had their best seasons last year than in 2003 doesn't add up. They both had a higher OPS in 2003.

 

Yes both had higher OPS's in 2003, but Lowell's was only 10 points higher, not a huge difference. His OBP was 15 points better in 04 and his average was 17 points better in 04. Maybe Lowell has just become a bit more patient?

 

Also just so people know OPS is OBP+Slugging. So if your OBP and Slugging go up it is a bit redundant to say your OPS is going to go up. Also Slugging is much more sensitive than OBP, Avg or anything else due to the nature of the slugging percentage. If a guy gets a home run it counts as a hit for his avg and OBP but counts as basically 4 singles for his slugging. Neither of these guys are hitting more than 30 homeruns, or so, so I don't think you need to look at a power number for them like slugging. Neither are exactly going to win a footrace either. I think the Marlins will take any types of hits rather than nit-pick over doubles, and triples from these guys.

 

Alex's power is getting better

How can you say that his all important slugging and OPS, that you cream over, dropped last year from 2003. Generally when someone is getting better in those power departments those numbers would go up. Talk about contradiction.

 

 

Choi's passive bat during the later months didn't help at all, we lost because he couldn't come close to putting up the power numbers he was doing in April along with others.

 

Choi's passive bat had only 1 month that he did not have an OPS of at least .800. Instead it was 747, every other month it was over .800. During the same span Lowell also had one month of not hitting an OPS of at least hitting 800, hitting 692 instead. If Choi finished with the Marlins he would have finished with the highest OPS and third best slugging, using the numbers he posted as a Marlin. I guess if you want to call out third best power bat passive you can, I don't think that would be smart though.

 

Sure his number slipped after April. Did you expect him to hit 9 homeruns every month? He carried the Marlins the first month. The fact reamins if he finished his season with the Marlins and wasn't traded he would have been one of the top 3 marlins in slugging and lead the team in OPS, and been in the top 15 1b in the league in HRs.

 

I didn't say everything was about OBP I also took RISP into consideration. How many games can you remember from last year where we had guys in scoring position and couldn't get them home with one or two outs? I think RISP was the biggest problem the Marlins had last year, not slugging. Also slugging takes away the bases a batter got for drawing more walks, punishing someone like Juan who became better at drawing walks and having a high OBP. I think the OBP is the purest of all the stats because it takes everything into account. Average only takes into account the times the you put the ball into play or struck out. Slugging, same thing. OBP, every at bat.

 

First off reread your original post, no where do you even address slugging you are evaluating a player based on his OBP solely and on what amounts to clutch hitting. OBP is not a pure stat by any means, by itself it's not enough to evaluate type of player. Extra base hits should carry much heavier weights than walks for instance. A single and a walk aren't even equivalent in production.

 

Funny you don't think you stressed OBP when saying Encarnacion wouldn't do any better funnier still is the fact that you only mentioned OBP in saying that Lowell wouldn't perform better. You also said that they did better last season than they did in 2004 despite their OPS being higher. Sure Lowell's wasn't all that much lower, but if you want to make a statement like that atleast don't fvck it up, same goes for Encarnacion.

 

Also, we were 22nd in slugging last year and 23rd in homers in the entire league...you can just look at the stats alone to see how pertinent more power is in this team. It would help it exponentially.

 

Lastly (on this paragraph), I have never seen a poorer use of statistics in my life and I've seen plenty. You are hinting that our clutch-hitting or RISP was worse this season, that of course is a fluke stat if it was at all consistent year in and year out then our whole lineup would be composed of guys that choked at every opportunity they could. Assuming you are marginally smarter than an ape, you could understand that's not a very likely scenario. When statisticians, baseball experts whoever look at a stat like that from the previous season they usually give bonus points to the team entering the season. Here you are being typically negative about our offense for next season yet you acknowledge that clutch hitting was a weakness last year. Well doesn't it stand to reason that we could do a bit better this coming season? Probability sure dictates we could...

 

 

Neither are exactly going to win a footrace either. I think the Marlins will take any types of hits rather than nit-pick over doubles, and triples from these guys.

 

What? Slugging is the way it is and expensive in the market for a reason. A walk, a single, a double, a triple, a homerun...what would you rather have occur more frequently? Your argument is at best weak.

 

How can you say that his all important slugging and OPS, that you cream over, dropped last year from 2003. Generally when someone is getting better in those power departments those numbers would go up. Talk about contradiction.

 

Well...Sherlock I was looking at Alex's homeruns as you did when you too admitted that his power was higher:

 

The only thing that has changed over the last few years is that his power number are higher,

 

Feel free to laugh at yourself after that one....

 

Choi's passive bat had only 1 month that he did not have an OPS of at least .800. Instead it was 747, every other month it was over .800. During the same span Lowell also had one month of not hitting an OPS of at least hitting 800, hitting 692 instead. If Choi finished with the Marlins he would have finished with the highest OPS and third best slugging, using the numbers he posted as a Marlin. I guess if you want to call out third best power bat passive you can, I don't think that would be smart though.

 

Sure his number slipped after April. Did you expect him to hit 9 homeruns every month? He carried the Marlins the first month. The fact reamins if he finished his season with the Marlins and wasn't traded he would have been one of the top 3 marlins in slugging and lead the team in OPS, and been in the top 15 1b in the league in HRs.

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Ok here is where you need to step back, slap yourself and think for a brief period of time. Our offense was near the bottom in power, after April the MOST homeruns Choi hit in any following month was 2. His OPS was high, but that's mostly because of his OBP, his Slugging never cracked .500 or came close to it after April.

 

Secondly there is something to be said about consistency. We would have stood to gain alot more had his averages for last season not been inflated by his April month.

 

He was a good hitter, but not a good fit for us, plain and simple. It's not hard to understand all you need to do is look at the stats. Our failures as an offensive club were parallel with his failures as a hitter after April...with Luis and JP at the top of the lineup, this team desperately needed some more power in the middle of the order and he couldn't provide that.

 

I know you won't even try to save face, you should have tried after I replied to your original post...but what do you do with malcontent pseudointellectual a-holes? No business treating people on here the way you consistently do. I've gotten into some run-ins with people not something that I'm particularly proud of but you look for a reason to try and hate on people. Is your life that miserable?

First off reread your original post, no where do you even address slugging you are evaluating a player based on his OBP solely and on what amounts to clutch hitting. OBP is not a pure stat by any means, by itself it's not enough to evaluate type of player. Extra base hits should carry much heavier weights than walks for instance. A single and a walk aren't even equivalent in production.

 

Funny you don't think you stressed OBP when saying Encarnacion wouldn't do any better funnier still is the fact that you only mentioned OBP in saying that Lowell wouldn't perform better. You also said that they did better last season than they did in 2004 despite their OPS being higher. Sure Lowell's wasn't all that much lower, but if you want to make a statement like that atleast don't fvck it up, same goes for Encarnacion.

 

I never said I took slugging into consideration because I do not put as much weight on it as you do. I was breaking down Juan and arguing how someone could argue he had a better year last year. Go, read it, I say that in there. I'm not lying! Go look! And I even said all I did is look at was OBP and RISP numbers, I didn't know I have to explicitly add on I am stressing those numbers if those are the only numbers that I am looking at. And in a way they did do better last year, on average they reached base more often! Don't you think someone does better if they reach base more often? The Marlins ranked 20th in average and OBP last year, it seems like they can improve that don't you think so? If no one is on base it doesnt matter if they hit a double with 2 outs if they don't get driven home the next ab because they didn't drive someone in because no one can get on base sometimes.

 

I also looked at GIDP numbers which dropped for Juan which is a very good thing, unless you want to argue it isn't, so he improved that as well.

 

All I said was someone could argue Juan was better last year than in 03. His OBP was up, he had less GIDP, are those not improvements?

 

 

 

Also, we were 22nd in slugging last year and 23rd in homers in the entire league...you can just look at the stats alone to see how pertinent more power is in this team. It would help it exponentially.

 

Marlins also ranked 20th in OBP and BA, it would also help if we had people who could also reach base more often. Because if you don't reach base its hard for people to drive you home.

 

 

 

Lastly (on this paragraph), I have never seen a poorer use of statistics in my life and I've seen plenty. You are hinting that our clutch-hitting or RISP was worse this season, that of course is a fluke stat if it was at all consistent year in and year out then our whole lineup would be composed of guys that choked at every opportunity they could.

 

I looked at RISP in respect to Juan's RBI total saying from 2003 the numbers lied a bit. I said, if you can read my little monkey you, you should be able to comprehend that I said he had a higher BA and OBP in 04 with RISP so it would make sense he had better RBI numbers in 04. Because you don't need double, triples and homers to drive home guys from 2nd or 3rd generally, especially with two outs. And are you saying people known as "clutch" hitters like Pudge is all BS. That it wouldn't make a difference to you if A-Gone or Lowell was up with the game on the line, its all the same to you?

 

 

Neither are exactly going to win a footrace either. I think the Marlins will take any types of hits rather than nit-pick over doubles, and triples from these guys.

 

What? Slugging is the way it is and expensive in the market for a reason. A walk, a single, a double, a triple, a homerun...what would you rather have occur more frequently? Your argument is at best weak.

 

I am not saying that singles are better than homers. But I think if the Marlins are looking at two players, one has an OBP 20-30 points higher than another but the other guy has a 30-40 point higher slugging, I don't think its a no brainer. The Marlins like guys who get on base and get the ball in play. The Marlins need guys who draw walks and string out ABs.

 

 

How can you say that his all important slugging and OPS, that you cream over, dropped last year from 2003. Generally when someone is getting better in those power departments those numbers would go up. Talk about contradiction.

 

Well...Sherlock I was looking at Alex's homeruns as you did when you too admitted that his power was higher

 

I was not looking at his slugging and OPS since I am not into that stuff, you were. And you claimed he was getting better after a severe decrease in both those numbers between 2003 and 2004, care to explain hot stuff?

 

 

 

Our offense was near the bottom in power,

 

And average and OBP. And Choi was right up there in OBP for the team. Couldn't have done much better than pushing the 400 number he was, eh?

 

Secondly there is something to be said about consistency. We would have stood to gain alot more had his averages for last season not been inflated by his April month.

 

So you want to blame the guy for having a real hot month? In May, June, July he was pretty consistent wouldn't you say? Low BA but OBPs near 400. I thought he was pretty consistent after April, but I guess you compare May to April, June to April and July to April because if you compared the other three months together you'd see he was pretty consistent.

 

He was a good hitter, but not a good fit for us, plain and simple. It's not hard to understand all you need to do is look at the stats. Our failures as an offensive club were parallel with his failures as a hitter after April.

 

Why is it he failed us after April? Can't you fathom that maybe he carried up during April and he is not a player that can carry a team? Because as soon as he became more mortal and what he is, decent power and high OBP kinda guy the team struggled. Did you think he was going to hit 9 hrs every month all year?

 

Is your life that miserable?

 

 

Oh yeah I cry about it every day. :boo-woo Fritz could attest to that I am sure.

 

So aaaaaaaaaall the way back to my original point the Marlins have done nothing to replace Pudge and D-Lee. Both had real high average and on-base percentages and scored a lot of runs in 03. They need to replace the Avg/OBP holes left by Pudge and D Lee because if no one is on base doubles don't help as much. And solo-home runs are not as good as 2 and 3 run shots.

PhishPhan - I'm just saying you put way too much emphasis on OBP.

 

The problem is, the Marlins organization isn't putting enough emphasis on OBP, that's why the offense, as a whole, tanked.

 

 

As a matter of fact, you put way too much emphasis on every stat. Yes, numbers are great, but you can't deny Encarnacion had a pretty good year in 2003.

 

That's pretty easy to deny. .270/.313/.449 is very mediocre from a RF, which is why Encarnacion's butt was on the bench the second Lowell came back in the playoffs. Unless a player's SLG was in the .500+ range, it's hard to say an OF had a "pretty good" year sporting a .313 OBP.

 

 

And to say last season was statistically better, is crazy.. I don't care how you look at it. Ask Juan, I'm sure he'll tell you which season he was happier with.

 

For the most part, I'm with PhishPhan on his overall argument, but Enc's '04 was much worse than his '03. I don't know what numbers he's looking at. Overall the guy dropped to a sub-.300 OBP and lost about 40 points off his slugging. His OBP got better when he got traded back, but his power numbers were pathetic.

 

 

If we can get a similar year from Enc's 2003 campaign, we should be in good shape..

 

Only if we can manage to get much better offense from 1B, which isn't going to happen with Conine manning the position.

 

 

As for Conine, he was battling a bum shoulder last year as well. I'm expecting him to be a big part of this offense.

 

Conine is OLD. He's battling age, and age has won. He's not coming back. The guy's bat is so slow that he'll never be able to hit a decent fastball again. I usually don't like to use the "I watch the game" argument, but as a season ticket holder last year and someone who watched plenty of Marlins games on TV, it was painfully apparent (and should've been to anyone else) that Conine's bat was late on any sort of fastball that broke 89 MPH.

 

 

Comparing Lo Duca and Choi just isn't possible. Choi had a great April, that was about it. That's how his numbers looked somewhat respectable.

 

Who were you looking at? Choi hit .292/.395/.472 in June and .284/.404/.419 in July, which isn't too shabby. The only bad month he had with the Marlins was May, and at .221/.344/.403, and that's not exactly horrendous.

 

 

Comparing batting average to OBP isn't fair either because OBP takes all plate appearances into consideration, while batting average takes only at-bats... If the difference in OBP between Choi and LoDuca is .030, but LoDuca will produce more, I think we're better off with Paul in the first half.

 

How can LoDuca produce more than Choi when he doesn't get on base as much and doesn't hit with as much power?

 

 

Plus, his numbers will be consistent. Choi was extremely streaky.

 

If LoDuca's number's are consistent, then he's going to be even worse next year to bring him in line with his 2002 and 2003 numbers.

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You people are incredible. Talk about over-analyzing a post... This is hilarious. I thought we were free to post our opinions here, but I guess if we can't spend time on research and don't have the facts to back everything up, we should just keep our mouths shut...

 

Nothing against your post, FishFry.. It was very well put together and was simply good rebuttals, but it amazes me how in depth people get here...

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You people are incredible. Talk about over-analyzing a post... This is hilarious. I thought we were free to post our opinions here, but I guess if we can't spend time on research and don't have the facts to back everything up, we should just keep our mouths shut...640642[/snapback]

 

People like to know what they're talking about, and present the facts to back it up. What's wrong with that? I actually commend the people who take the time to do so.

People like to know what they're talking about, and present the facts to back it up. What's wrong with that? I actually commend the people who take the time to do so.

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For those with the time, more power to them. I come here to shoot the sh** and talk some baseball... If I wanted to spend all this time researching everything, I'd get a job with MLB.

People like to know what they're talking about, and present the facts to back it up. What's wrong with that? I actually commend the people who take the time to do so.

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For those with the time, more power to them. I come here to shoot the sh** and talk some baseball... If I wanted to spend all this time researching everything, I'd get a job with MLB.

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So talk baseball. Just be prepared that people might actually find something to prove their point.