Posted March 5, 200519 yr comment_445670 Saw this on Sportsenter: Career Numbers -------------Brees | Vick--------------- 9,089 :Yards (Combined): 8842 61.3 :Completion %: 53.6 59 :TDs (Combined): 49 83.2 :Rating: 77 This is interesting because the Charges trade the pick for Vick to the Chargers. In that draf the Chargers got Ladanian Tomlinson AND Brees. Im thinking right now...the Chargers have come out ahead. Thoughts? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 5, 200519 yr comment_445671 Vick has 2 playoff appearances. Pretty sure that LT/Brees combo only has 1. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 5, 200519 yr Author comment_445672 Vick has 2 playoff appearances. Pretty sure that LT/Brees combo only has 1. 702906[/snapback] Id argue that Vick has had more around him as well up to this season. 2 players is > 1 Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 5, 200519 yr comment_445673 the perception will always be SD messed up bc vick is the most exciting athlete on earth Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 5, 200519 yr comment_445674 Its kind of like comparing apples to oranges with those numbers. Those numbers do not take into account the number of game changing plays Vick has actually made such as the game against the Vikings two years ago. Vick has far less offensive talent than Brees has around him and Vick has been more successful. Before this year Brees was considered a bust. The emergence of Antonio Gates has been huge as has been the arrival of Keenan McCardell giving him another weapon. Also, as you said the life span of a RB is much shorter. Do you think within a few years, if the Chargers do not win a SB with Tomlinson, then they still got the better end of the deal? I can tell you as far as ticket sales, the Falcons are way ahead with Vick than the Chargers with Tomlinson and Brees as well. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 5, 200519 yr comment_445675 Brees,LT>Vick Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 5, 200519 yr comment_445676 id rather have LT than Vick.. and getting Brees to boot is a plus Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 6, 200519 yr comment_445677 LT straight up is better than vick they def came out on top in that trade Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 6, 200519 yr comment_445678 Vick is overrated. Vastly. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 6, 200519 yr comment_445679 If Vick couldn't run like he can, he wouldn't even be on a practice squad right now because he isn't accurate to the least. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 6, 200519 yr comment_445680 If Vick couldn't run like he can, he wouldn't even be on a practice squad right now because he isn't accurate to the least. 703245[/snapback] But he can so who cares. Its basically like saying if the queen had balls she would be the kind. Same concept, worthless argument. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 6, 200519 yr comment_445681 No, because Camila Parker Bowles is still considered a woman. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 6, 200519 yr comment_445682 Let Brees have a few more good seasons before he is anointed the next Montana. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 6, 200519 yr Author comment_445683 Let Brees have a few more good seasons before he is anointed the next Montana. 703863[/snapback] Where was that even proposed? This was about the draft comparison wnad who got better value. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 7, 200519 yr comment_445684 Vick is overrated. Vastly. 703098[/snapback] Exactly. He's a fast Jay Fiedler at best. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 7, 200519 yr comment_445685 If Vick couldn't run like he can, he wouldn't even be on a practice squad right now because he isn't accurate to the least. 703245[/snapback] I agree Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 7, 200519 yr comment_445686 Let Brees have a few more good seasons before he is anointed the next Montana. 703863[/snapback] Where was that even proposed? This was about the draft comparison wnad who got better value. 703949[/snapback] You cant compare who got the better value right now because one guy had one really good season(hence drastically altering his career numbers). Thats plain short sighted. People are all over Brees and down on Vick because Brees had one great season. Heck, SD thought so lowly of Brees that they wasted a first rounder on him. Before this season, people picked Vick. If Brees cant stay consistent, people will go back to Vick. Before this season, Atlanta got the better end of the deal even with Tomlison because QB>RB and Brees was a joke. Who knows which direction he goes. Yes if he stays outstanding, the Falcons got ripped. But we dont know that yet. It never ceases to amaze me how hindsight is created by NFL fans who jump all over the hot player. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 8, 200519 yr comment_445687 Let Brees have a few more good seasons before he is anointed the next Montana. 703863[/snapback] Where was that even proposed? This was about the draft comparison wnad who got better value. 703949[/snapback] You cant compare who got the better value right now because one guy had one really good season(hence drastically altering his career numbers). Thats plain short sighted. People are all over Brees and down on Vick because Brees had one great season. Heck, SD thought so lowly of Brees that they wasted a first rounder on him. Before this season, people picked Vick. If Brees cant stay consistent, people will go back to Vick. Before this season, Atlanta got the better end of the deal even with Tomlison because QB>RB and Brees was a joke. Who knows which direction he goes. Yes if he stays outstanding, the Falcons got ripped. But we dont know that yet. It never ceases to amaze me how hindsight is created by NFL fans who jump all over the hot player. 704860[/snapback] Well put. Passion is a "know-it-all" who knows nothing. You stated the facts very well. Additionally, Vick did not start his rookie year and missed most of another season, so his "career" numbers are skewed somwhat and the passing numbers do not take his running ability into account. Also, I seem to remember Vick's team getting further in the playoffs this year with less talent around him. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 8, 200519 yr comment_445688 Let Brees have a few more good seasons before he is anointed the next Montana. 703863[/snapback] Where was that even proposed? This was about the draft comparison wnad who got better value. 703949[/snapback] You cant compare who got the better value right now because one guy had one really good season(hence drastically altering his career numbers). Thats plain short sighted. People are all over Brees and down on Vick because Brees had one great season. Heck, SD thought so lowly of Brees that they wasted a first rounder on him. Before this season, people picked Vick. If Brees cant stay consistent, people will go back to Vick. Before this season, Atlanta got the better end of the deal even with Tomlison because QB>RB and Brees was a joke. Who knows which direction he goes. Yes if he stays outstanding, the Falcons got ripped. But we dont know that yet. It never ceases to amaze me how hindsight is created by NFL fans who jump all over the hot player. 704860[/snapback] Well put. Passion is a "know-it-all" who knows nothing. You stated the facts very well. Additionally, Vick did not start his rookie year and missed most of another season, so his "career" numbers are skewed somwhat and the passing numbers do not take his running ability into account. Also, I seem to remember Vick's team getting further in the playoffs this year with less talent around him. 704938[/snapback] The Falcons have more talent than the Chargers, no doubt about it. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 8, 200519 yr comment_445689 Let Brees have a few more good seasons before he is anointed the next Montana. 703863[/snapback] Where was that even proposed? This was about the draft comparison wnad who got better value. 703949[/snapback] You cant compare who got the better value right now because one guy had one really good season(hence drastically altering his career numbers). Thats plain short sighted. People are all over Brees and down on Vick because Brees had one great season. Heck, SD thought so lowly of Brees that they wasted a first rounder on him. Before this season, people picked Vick. If Brees cant stay consistent, people will go back to Vick. Before this season, Atlanta got the better end of the deal even with Tomlison because QB>RB and Brees was a joke. Who knows which direction he goes. Yes if he stays outstanding, the Falcons got ripped. But we dont know that yet. It never ceases to amaze me how hindsight is created by NFL fans who jump all over the hot player. 704860[/snapback] Well put. Passion is a "know-it-all" who knows nothing. You stated the facts very well. Additionally, Vick did not start his rookie year and missed most of another season, so his "career" numbers are skewed somwhat and the passing numbers do not take his running ability into account. Also, I seem to remember Vick's team getting further in the playoffs this year with less talent around him. 704938[/snapback] That's not very nice. :thumbdown Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 8, 200519 yr comment_445690 The Falcons have more talent than the Chargers, no doubt about it. On offense, the Chargers offense has the talent to run circles around the Falcons. Superior line, receivers and backs. Defense the Falcons are better, but not all that much. The weapons Brees has compare to Vick to use is ridiculous. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 8, 200519 yr comment_445691 The Falcons have more talent than the Chargers, no doubt about it. On offense, the Chargers offense has the talent to run circles around the Falcons. Superior line, receivers and backs. Defense the Falcons are better, but not all that much. The weapons Brees has compare to Vick to use is ridiculous. 704976[/snapback] Also, just look at what happend to the Falcons when Vick went down one year and returned the next. And youre absolutely right when you said the number dont reflect the other intangibles of Vick. The guy changes defensive schemes. He requires that a LB shadow him. Minus Vick, do the other offensive players on that team contribute what they do? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/25645-interesting-stat-comparison/?&do=findComment&comment=445691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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