I think we were hoping for 6IP/start. Nobody would sign a guy for that much hoping for 5 innings a start at most.

To be honest the only real beef I have with him is the damn walks. He has a great defense behind him and isn't taking advantage. His still has good movement on his cutter and breaking ball. He just needs to take a lesson from Dontrelle and pitch to contact. So what if he gives up a few hits. He's putting them on base anyway. By making the hitters swing he is going to lower his pitch count and ultimately be more effective.

For the few of us who have actually seen leiter pitch often enough. Yesterday b4 the rain delay his balls werent missing by much. In fact many of them could have been strikes in other games (depending on the ump). Some of the pitches called ball in the first 2 innings were later being called strikes, b/c the ump widened the strike zone for some reason around the 5th inning. Furthermore, 2 of the hits were bloop singles, s*** happens. Not walking pratt (who was 10 for 19 lifetime against leiter) to pitch to wolf was bad managing. Leiter's cutter was cutting in nice on right handers. To me yesterday leiter showed signs of returning to normal. The rain delay totally killed whatever momentum he was gaining, making it his 2 start that has been weather affected. So by lookin at just the numbers for yesterdays game, you miss the intricacies of pitching that can only be observed by paying attention the actual game.

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With Leiter this year it is one excuse after another. Just for once it would be nice to see a solid performance. The situation reminds me a lot of Oliver last year. There was always someone, or something else to lay the blame. I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but geesh I wish he would give us some reason to be optimistic.

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What do yo umean you havent seen a solid performance?! Have we been watching the same games? Hes had 2 very solid performances one against the mets at shea and one against the padres. Is it his fault that he didnt get run support in either b/c he was going against martinez and peavy?

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OK. If you break it down he's had two quality starts...as you mentioned against the Mets and Padres. Yet even in the Padres start he struggled with control and walked 5. He also pitched a decent game against Atlanta.

 

But 2 quality starts out of 9 appearances just doesn't cut it for a guy who is the highest paid starter on the team. There can be little argument he isn't performing to his contract.

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I dont argue that he hasnt been playing to his salary. i'm just saying that hes shown signs of light (light-er even ) All im syaing is lets give him time, i will be the first to ask for change if this continues to the break. But he hasnt been horrible at all times, hes been inconsistent, which is better than just bad

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you want to give more time???what the hell are you crazy??for what so the meaninfull games that he pitches we lose cause of him....man i don't like the guys i've said before i'll give up to the allstar break...if by then he doesn't improve realese his ass and give his job to valdez...

The problem that you (rolando) fail to realize is that giving him more time doesnt mean we'll lose every game he pitches, it means theres an equal chance of him improving. and frankly, theres a large possibility that he'll improve. Its the law of probability, hes a good pitcher. Damn, ive been defending leiter so much today that if he ever stumbles on this board he should send me a thank you card

The problem that you (rolando) fail to realize is that giving him more time doesnt mean we'll lose every game he pitches, it means theres an equal chance of him improving. and frankly, theres a large possibility that he'll improve. Its the law of probability, hes a good pitcher. Damn, ive been defending leiter so much today that if he ever stumbles on this board he should send me a thank you card

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ok explain his last 4 starts and why he didn't get past 4 inning...FYI HES THE HIGHEST PAID PITCHER IN OUR STAFF.....and then please let me know when the hell are his improvements coming.....

so rolando, let me get this straight...

 

you dont like Leiter?

so rolando, let me get this straight...

 

you dont like Leiter?

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um what make you think that?? :mischief

The only saving grace is that Moehler has been so lights-out. When (not if) Moehler falls back to Earth, we're in trouble unless Leiter can turn it around.