May 26, 200521 yr I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this, but I'm getting really tired of Al Leiter holding this team back. The rest of the rotation has been lights-out, but Leiter has been the exact opposite. I really think that he's done. His pitch location has been terrible, and he looks lost out there on the mound. In conclusion, Carlos Delgado: Best Offseason Move Al Leiter: Worst Offseason Move Enjoy the rest of the game.
May 26, 200521 yr Hard to enjoy the rest of this game..I would have to agree with your assessment. I felt really good when we got two runs very quickly, but then i realized that no lead is safe with Leiter, and sure enough.Gah. Something will have to give, soon...
May 26, 200521 yr I don't like admitting that I ever have a pessimistic attitude, but every time Leiter gets a turn I assume the loss. It doesn't take him long to just give up runs after runs.
May 26, 200521 yr struggling pitcher, 33 minute rain delay. Lets use our brains once in a? while. 783647[/snapback] You're talking to the wrong board. Most of these brains are still just developing. Their baseball knowledge goes back to when they were 14 and started to get real interested....two years ago.
May 26, 200521 yr Yea we had a rain delay and all but you can use that as an excues. All he's been this year is inconsistent.
May 26, 200521 yr I wouldnt go that far. Oliver is much worse than Leiter. I remember that Oliver allowed like 60 hits in 40 innings. Leiter just has NO control. Kensing is far from our best pitching prospect....helll Id rather see Vargas in the majors right now. Kensing is too hitable....he reminds me of Jason Grilli.
May 26, 200521 yr In conclusion, Carlos Delgado: Best Offseason Move Al Leiter: Worst Offseason Move 783406[/snapback] Neither did good tonight. And it's just May. Please see: http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=43478
May 26, 200521 yr I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this, but I'm getting really tired of Al Leiter holding this team back. The rest of the rotation has been lights-out, but Leiter has been the exact opposite. I really think that he's done. His pitch location has been terrible, and he looks lost out there on the mound. In conclusion, Carlos Delgado: Best Offseason Move Al Leiter: Worst Offseason Move Enjoy the rest of the game. 783406[/snapback] Our worst offseason move was not getting a stadium.
May 26, 200521 yr For the few of us who have actually seen leiter pitch often enough. Yesterday b4 the rain delay his balls werent missing by much. In fact many of them could have been strikes in other games (depending on the ump). Some of the pitches called ball in the first 2 innings were later being called strikes, b/c the ump widened the strike zone for some reason around the 5th inning. Furthermore, 2 of the hits were bloop singles, s*** happens. Not walking pratt (who was 10 for 19 lifetime against leiter) to pitch to wolf was bad managing. Leiter's cutter was cutting in nice on right handers. To me yesterday leiter showed signs of returning to normal. The rain delay totally killed whatever momentum he was gaining, making it his 2 start that has been weather affected. So by lookin at just the numbers for yesterdays game, you miss the intricacies of pitching that can only be observed by paying attention the actual game.
May 26, 200521 yr struggling pitcher, 33 minute rain delay. Lets use our brains once in a while. 783647[/snapback] does it really matter if you give him the lead??? the guys sucks plain simple...
May 26, 200521 yr For the few of us who have actually seen leiter pitch often enough. Yesterday b4 the rain delay his balls werent missing by much. In fact many of them could have been strikes in other games (depending on the ump). Some of the pitches called ball in the first 2 innings were later being called strikes, b/c the ump widened the strike zone for some reason around the 5th inning. Furthermore, 2 of the hits were bloop singles, s*** happens. Not walking pratt (who was 10 for 19 lifetime against leiter) to pitch to wolf was bad managing. Leiter's cutter was cutting in nice on right handers. To me yesterday leiter showed signs of returning to normal. The rain delay totally killed whatever momentum he was gaining, making it his 2 start that has been weather affected. So by lookin at just the numbers for yesterdays game, you miss the intricacies of pitching that can only be observed by paying attention the actual game. 784340[/snapback] dude do you always have to make an excuse for this guy???he's done we need valdez to fill in for him..he's getting paid to pitch 5 INNINGS or MORe not to last 3 1/2 innings...
May 26, 200521 yr Leiter certainly needs to improve himself. At this point, if we have an off day and we're gonna skip a pitcher, keep Moehler in and skip Al.
May 26, 200521 yr Leiter certainly needs to improve himself. At this point, if we have an off day and we're gonna skip a pitcher, keep Moehler in and skip Al. 784346[/snapback] i like your idea...skip his turns
May 26, 200521 yr For the few of us who have actually seen leiter pitch often enough. Yesterday b4 the rain delay his balls werent missing by much. In fact many of them could have been strikes in other games (depending on the ump). Some of the pitches called ball in the first 2 innings were later being called strikes, b/c the ump widened the strike zone for some reason around the 5th inning. Furthermore, 2 of the hits were bloop singles, s*** happens. Not walking pratt (who was 10 for 19 lifetime against leiter) to pitch to wolf was bad managing. Leiter's cutter was cutting in nice on right handers. To me yesterday leiter showed signs of returning to normal. The rain delay totally killed whatever momentum he was gaining, making it his 2 start that has been weather affected. So by lookin at just the numbers for yesterdays game, you miss the intricacies of pitching that can only be observed by paying attention the actual game. 784340[/snapback] With Leiter this year it is one excuse after another. Just for once it would be nice to see a solid performance. The situation reminds me a lot of Oliver last year. There was always someone, or something else to lay the blame. I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but geesh I wish he would give us some reason to be optimistic.
May 26, 200521 yr For the few of us who have actually seen leiter pitch often enough. Yesterday b4 the rain delay his balls werent missing by much. In fact many of them could have been strikes in other games (depending on the ump). Some of the pitches called ball in the first 2 innings were later being called strikes, b/c the ump widened the strike zone for some reason around the 5th inning. Furthermore, 2 of the hits were bloop singles, s*** happens. Not walking pratt (who was 10 for 19 lifetime against leiter) to pitch to wolf was bad managing. Leiter's cutter was cutting in nice on right handers. To me yesterday leiter showed signs of returning to normal. The rain delay totally killed whatever momentum he was gaining, making it his 2 start that has been weather affected. So by lookin at just the numbers for yesterdays game, you miss the intricacies of pitching that can only be observed by paying attention the actual game. 784340[/snapback] With Leiter this year it is one excuse after another. Just for once it would be nice to see a solid performance. The situation reminds me a lot of Oliver last year. There was always someone, or something else to lay the blame. I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but geesh I wish he would give us some reason to be optimistic. 784352[/snapback] What do yo umean you havent seen a solid performance?! Have we been watching the same games? Hes had 2 very solid performances one against the mets at shea and one against the padres. Is it his fault that he didnt get run support in either b/c he was going against martinez and peavy?
May 26, 200521 yr For the few of us who have actually seen leiter pitch often enough. Yesterday b4 the rain delay his balls werent missing by much. In fact many of them could have been strikes in other games (depending on the ump). Some of the pitches called ball in the first 2 innings were later being called strikes, b/c the ump widened the strike zone for some reason around the 5th inning. Furthermore, 2 of the hits were bloop singles, s*** happens. Not walking pratt (who was 10 for 19 lifetime against leiter) to pitch to wolf was bad managing. Leiter's cutter was cutting in nice on right handers. To me yesterday leiter showed signs of returning to normal. The rain delay totally killed whatever momentum he was gaining, making it his 2 start that has been weather affected. So by lookin at just the numbers for yesterdays game, you miss the intricacies of pitching that can only be observed by paying attention the actual game. 784340[/snapback] With Leiter this year it is one excuse after another. Just for once it would be nice to see a solid performance. The situation reminds me a lot of Oliver last year. There was always someone, or something else to lay the blame. I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but geesh I wish he would give us some reason to be optimistic. 784352[/snapback] What do yo umean you havent seen a solid performance?! Have we been watching the same games? Hes had 2 very solid performances one against the mets at shea and one against the padres. Is it his fault that he didnt get run support in either b/c he was going against martinez and peavy? 784378[/snapback] OK. If you break it down he's had two quality starts...as you mentioned against the Mets and Padres. Yet even in the Padres start he struggled with control and walked 5. He also pitched a decent game against Atlanta. But 2 quality starts out of 9 appearances just doesn't cut it for a guy who is the highest paid starter on the team. There can be little argument he isn't performing to his contract.
May 26, 200521 yr For the few of us who have actually seen leiter pitch often enough. Yesterday b4 the rain delay his balls werent missing by much. In fact many of them could have been strikes in other games (depending on the ump). Some of the pitches called ball in the first 2 innings were later being called strikes, b/c the ump widened the strike zone for some reason around the 5th inning. Furthermore, 2 of the hits were bloop singles, s*** happens. Not walking pratt (who was 10 for 19 lifetime against leiter) to pitch to wolf was bad managing. Leiter's cutter was cutting in nice on right handers. To me yesterday leiter showed signs of returning to normal. The rain delay totally killed whatever momentum he was gaining, making it his 2 start that has been weather affected. So by lookin at just the numbers for yesterdays game, you miss the intricacies of pitching that can only be observed by paying attention the actual game. 784340[/snapback] With Leiter this year it is one excuse after another. Just for once it would be nice to see a solid performance. The situation reminds me a lot of Oliver last year. There was always someone, or something else to lay the blame. I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but geesh I wish he would give us some reason to be optimistic. 784352[/snapback] What do yo umean you havent seen a solid performance?! Have we been watching the same games? Hes had 2 very solid performances one against the mets at shea and one against the padres. Is it his fault that he didnt get run support in either b/c he was going against martinez and peavy? 784378[/snapback] OK. If you break it down he's had two quality starts...as you mentioned against the Mets and Padres. Yet even in the Padres start he struggled with control and walked 5. He also pitched a decent game against Atlanta. But 2 quality starts out of 9 appearances just doesn't cut it for a guy who is the highest paid starter on the team. There can be little argument he isn't performing to his contract. 784408[/snapback] I dont argue that he hasnt been playing to his salary. i'm just saying that hes shown signs of light (light-er even ) All im syaing is lets give him time, i will be the first to ask for change if this continues to the break. But he hasnt been horrible at all times, hes been inconsistent, which is better than just bad
May 26, 200521 yr I don't know what choice we have. If he keeps destroying our bullpen like this some AAA time may be in order.
May 26, 200521 yr I don't know what choice we have. If he keeps destroying our bullpen like this some AAA time may be in order. 784420[/snapback] Unless he goes on the DL, i dont think we can send him to AAA. And we knew when we signed him that the most he'll usually pitch is 5 innings.
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