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This is from a discussion oriented liberal blog I believe so its not a news or opinion article. Just thought Id post it.

 

Anyone else think it is possible and could happen?

 

The Center Cannot Hold

 

By Marshall Wittmann Section: Politics

Conditions are developing for a possible third party alternative in '08.

 

 

Jun 08, 2005 -- 08:37:26 AM EST

As the new Washington Post survey shows, independents are particularly estranged from the Bushies. The overall electorate is annoyed by both parties and the Washington politicians. The deficit is growing and the economy is anemic. The popularity of the Iraq war is plummeting and no end is in sight.

 

These are combustible conditions that could very well produce a third force in American politics. It is striking how similar the current situation is to that in 1992 when Perot emerged. Actually it is far worse - then, we were in the aftermath of a successful war although the economy was in a worse state.

 

The question is whether the Democratic party can fill this political vacuum - as Clinton did in '92 It will take more than Bush bashing to appeal to the disaffected. That is why a reform agenda that defies the political establishment in Washington is so essential.

 

Of course, there is always the Bull Moose...

 

 

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/6/8/83726/92136

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I don't think it'll happen. We've already established there being only 2 parties for a long time. There would have to be a absolute need for a 3rd party for it to become a realization.

 

This is just a possibility if Bush is unable to take care of the situation, and like Clinton, I think Bush will be able to take care of it as well, even though this time around the situation is far more difficult.

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I don't think it'll happen. We've already established there being only 2 parties for a long time. There would have to be a absolute need for a 3rd party for it to become a realization.

 

This is just a possibility if Bush is unable to take care of the situation, and like Clinton, I think Bush will be able to take care of it as well, even though this time around the situation is far more difficult.

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First of all, what do you mean by this statement? Second of all, runons suck. Third of all, third parties come and go but I seriously believe there is a chance for a new third party to emerge as a power. Just look at how history is.

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The Democrat party has been in exsistence for around 200 years and the Republican party has been around for around 150 years. The Republican had elected the Speaker of the House within two years of inception and had an a President elected within 6 years. That is very quick for a NEW party to have had a Speaker and President.

 

Getting a third party to have an impact it would need a lot of people and a lot of cash. Democrats and Republicans have the resources to have staying power. If a new party were to emerge I believe it would be a spin off of the Democratic party. If this were to happen they would need to have a very strong candidate.

 

In my lifetime will I ever see a President that is not a Dem or Rep? I dont know, there hasnt been a President that was not a Dem or Rep since Millard Fillmore, who was a Whig, in 1850 and he only became Pres because Zachary Taylor died.

 

The Republican party came about almost over night. It was created in direct response to the Kansas/Nebraska Act in 1854. So anything is possible.

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I don't think it'll happen. We've already established there being only 2 parties for a long time. There would have to be a absolute need for a 3rd party for it to become a realization.

 

This is just a possibility if Bush is unable to take care of the situation, and like Clinton, I think Bush will be able to take care of it as well, even though this time around the situation is far more difficult.

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First of all, what do you mean by this statement? Second of all, runons suck. Third of all, third parties come and go but I seriously believe there is a chance for a new third party to emerge as a power. Just look at how history is.

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1st-If Bush can't take care of our economy and can't end our situation with Iraq already, then it is plausible that another party will come into existance. However, I think he'll be able to take care of those things and end this discussion.

 

2nd-Okay.

 

3rd- I'm looking back at our history and I'm noticing that it has been a long time since the Republicans or Democrats haven't been in power.

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The problem with a strong third party is that its going to come down to compromise.

 

To me it seems what pisses people off about bush most is his spending on military and social conservatism.

 

However, there is another group equally as large who feels that bush's spending is anti-conservative, and ther eis no way they will vote for a liberal.

 

Analyzing the repubs and dems now we see that the dems are

socially liberal, economically liberal

 

The Reps are economic moderates, and very socially conservative

 

A party that is economically liberal and socially conservative may win a lot of votes but is extremely dangerous as this is the true mold of a neocon. Such a party would make bush look good.

 

Then of course the ideal and most consistent party, one which is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. A party based on freedom. I believe such a party can succeed in this country. This sounds like the libertarian party, which is anti-war for the most part and against a socially conservative agenda. This can appease moderate democrats and true conservatives. However, the libertarians have been illegitimized b/c ppl see them as a party that simply wants to legalize drugs so they can get high and have a grand ole time.

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I'd support the last party you mention. I think it's the best of all possible combos.

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Give it time, supporters need to be rallied. Hopefully someday ill be able to work towards acheiving such a party. I think it will happen, the two main parties have los ttheir way. A US with a congress made of reps, dems (the 2 moderate parties), libertarians and socialists would be good

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I'd support the last party you mention.? I think it's the best of all possible combos.

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Give it time, supporters need to be rallied. Hopefully someday ill be able to work towards acheiving such a party. I think it will happen, the two main parties have los ttheir way. A US with a congress made of reps, dems (the 2 moderate parties), libertarians and socialists would be good

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Was it you or sorianofan that said the 2-party system is the most efficient? I don't think it was you....but we've had this discussion before. I think a system similar to Britain's would be more representative of the people, increasing both participation and political dialogue. Which system do you prefer?

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I'd support the last party you mention.? I think it's the best of all possible combos.

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Give it time, supporters need to be rallied. Hopefully someday ill be able to work towards acheiving such a party. I think it will happen, the two main parties have los ttheir way. A US with a congress made of reps, dems (the 2 moderate parties), libertarians and socialists would be good

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Was it you or sorianofan that said the 2-party system is the most efficient? I don't think it was you....but we've had this discussion before. I think a system similar to Britain's would be more representative of the people, increasing both participation and political dialogue. Which system do you prefer?

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I also prefer a system like england or france, where there are several parties from all spectrums. But even then in the UK there is still two party dominance. I dont think sorianofan would have liked the 2 party system best considering he was a libertarian. But opening up the system will force the 2 larger parties to become more moderate, b/c the more polarized parties will be winning the more radicalized votes.

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It would be pretty hard IMO for that candidate to be successful. He would essentially be asking everyone to sacrifice and thats not happening in this country anytime soon. People dont like to be asked to sacrifice.

 

My view on third party development would not necessary be one forged out of political views but one forged out gridlock.

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I think that considering the actions of the Republican-controlled Congress over the past 5 years, the Republican party should no longer be considered fiscally conservative. This administration/Congress has become the most wasteful in history, mostly due to the Iraq War spending, and the creation of the massive bureaucracy known as the Department of Homeland Security.

 

My view is that Democrats now are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, while the Republicans are to the extreme of social conservatism, and have moved to become fiscally liberal.

 

I don't think a third party will emerge, due to the strong two-party system that has been in existence in this country for 150 years now. I just don't think enough people would vote for an unknown third party, unless a well-known political figure was running that party.

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Although the fiscal insanity of the repubs has taken away from the fiscal conservative mantra the party once held, the democrats are not fiscally conservative either. Right now there is no fiscally conservative mainstream party in the U.S. much to my dismay

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A party that balances a budget is more fiscally conservative than one that doesnt.

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Although the fiscal insanity of the repubs has taken away from the fiscal conservative mantra the party once held, the democrats are not fiscally conservative either. Right now there is no fiscally conservative mainstream party in the U.S. much to my dismay

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A party that balances a budget is more fiscally conservative than one that doesnt.

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A budget surplus does not count as a balanced budget, it means america is overtaxed. If thats what you were referring to. and even if you were that was a split govt.

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The Republican/Democratic two party system has too much money/power/influence for any new party to be significance

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Agreed. All somebody like Ross Perot did was take away votes from the other two parties, but didn't have a major effect.

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He sure as hell had a major effect on America from 1992 to 2000. If he doesn't run and take all those votes from Bush, Clinton might not have won.

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