Ready to start ahh........ don't know. relieve yes. should we call him up to be a reliver? no

 

If the front office decides to call up someone to make a start from the minors he deserves the call. Who would i rather see start? Leiter, Bump, Vargas. no doubt Vargas

Give him about a month more in AA let him get comfortable, and if he continues to pitch well maybe you give him a chance as a reliever in late August but at this point we don't need him as a reliever and asking him to come up and start right now would be too much to ask IMO.

Again your forgetting this kid is older than Olsen and a former college pitcher. With alot more innings(college included) than Olsen since HS. Also with a lower ERA in his minor league career than Olsen and a higher K's to BB ratio

 

enough said this kid IS ready

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ready to start...

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YES how many innings has Olsen give the Marlins with his two starts 5 2/3 tops, you mean Vargas can't give you 5-6 innings? yes Mav he's ready

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uh... TS, I said he was ready to start(which I dont believe... he need a few more starts)

 

f*** putting him in the pen.

f*** putting him in the pen.

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I wouldn't mind putting him in the bullpen when Carolina's season is almost over. But until then let him get as many starts as he can in AA so he'll be ready to be in the rotation come opening day next year.

All I'm hearing is He's not ready...he's not ready NO FACTS tell me why? I've give you comparable stats to someone in the same position in Olsen, but all I'm hearing is he's not ready. Give me one game...one where he's look bad or looked like he's not ready.

 

here's a simple question should Leiter start on Sunday or should they call-up the kid?

All I'm hearing is He's not ready...he's not ready NO FACTS tell me why? I've give you comparable stats to someone in the same position in Olsen, but all I'm hearing is he's not ready. Give me one game...one where he's look bad or looked like he's not ready.

 

here's a simple question should Leiter start on Sunday or should they call-up the kid?

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let Vargas have more than 2 or 3 starts in AA before you call him up...

 

and just in case he bombed, we dont need Jack ripping him a new one too

All I'm hearing is He's not ready...he's not ready NO FACTS tell me why? I've give you comparable stats to someone in the same position in Olsen, but all I'm hearing is he's not ready. Give me one game...one where he's look bad or looked like he's not ready.

 

here's a simple question should Leiter start on Sunday or should they call-up the kid?

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Olsen had way more time at AA than Vargas did, and also Olsen simply has so much more raw talent than Vargas that he can make up for his lack of experience. That's not to say Vargas won't be just as good as Olsen, I just think Vargas needs more experience in the minors because he has less room for error.

 

Also, why take a chance? Chances are he won't do much better than Leiter would and we'd only need him for one game anyway. We don't need the kid coming up and getting lit up like Kensing and Bazardo, and then going straight back to AA.

The way Leiter is pitching at home, I'll give anybody a shot.

Al is a great guy, but he no longer has it.

 

If we can get production from a minor leaguer its just as good as if Beinfest makes a trade.

I don't see any one available that is worthy for demotion

I love Vargas, but I really would rather not take another chance on screwing up one of our top prospects.

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That's it right there. :thumbup

Why risk screwing him up, and already start his options clock, for one start?

Why risk screwing him up, and already start his options clock, for one start?

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Most relevant post of the thread :thumbup

 

Unless he's a sure thing (and I like Olsen but I'm not convinced he is either), and is going to be here for the remainder of the season, why not wait until September when he can be here for free?

One of his option years would be used regardless when he was called up this year, his service time stopwatch would spare a few months but we're so far into the season that we would have him a full six years.

One of his option years would be used regardless when he was called up this year, his service time stopwatch would spare a few months but we're so far into the season that we would have him a full six years.

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That is the best reason I've heard . Those that say they don't want to screw up another prospect are expecting the kid to fail before he even takes the mound. Nobody knows what to expect when you bring up a kid from the farm. Are we in need of a starter? Not really, but I've seen enough of Leiter. I want see what the future holds, b/c starting next season 3/5 of our pitching staff will be new. So if we can give one of our future starting pitchers a start or two this season I'd do it. Why not wait till Sept.? b/c IMO the games in games are going to be so magnified being in the hunt Do you want to put that pressure on those kids? I rather them have a start here in July than in Sept.

 

but I'd understand the logic above, if thats what the Marlins are thinking

Actually now that I think of it, an option year is deducted only when a player spends time in the minors (non-rehab) after he's been added to the 40-man roster. So one would be burned if it was a short midseason trial or we make the playoffs after his September callup.

I just had to post this....

 

"We really thought he could be a quick mover in the system because of his mental makeup," Beinfest said. "His ability to compete, he's done nothing to disappoint us."

Kensing was brought up first because of his mental makeup.

Olsen was held back behind Kensing, Bazardo and Castillo because of his mental makeup.

 

Says something about its importance in developing good major leaguers or our scouts' ability.