Um, he burned the flag in a good way...in a respectful way.

 

I dont get what all the fuss in here is about.

 

I posted this more on the interest of the controversy not on whether or not Flag burning is good or not. He wasnt burning the flag in protest or something.

The ball's in your court to prove it isn't just a peice of cloth. To me it is. I don't care at all about a flag.

 

I care more about ideas and expression and freedom of thought. An idea is more powerful than any symbol. And if burning that same symbol gets the idea across, than that's fine.

 

The flag DOES NOT represent our freedoms. It represents the plot of land under which the government rules. This is ours, here's our flag to prove it. I would say that white supremacist groups, who I HATE, represent more freedom than any flag. At least them you can either listen to, not listen to, refute, etc., etc.

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You can't honestly believe that crap you just typed. If you truly feel that way, wow, just wow.

 

I'm not getting into an argument with over whether the flag is just a piece of cloth or not, you are absolutely 100% wrong and it is preposterous that you actually believe what you believe and that the flag represents nothing.

 

You were probably one of those losers in school that refused to stand and recite the pledge of allegiance every morning.

 

Totally pathetic.

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Thanks for alienating any Jehova's witnesses.

 

I still say it's a peice of cloth. It's a symbol, yes. But does that make it this great grand thing? Hmmmm... I'm not so sure. And I did recite the pledge, because I believe in the ideals under which this country was founded. Those same ideals that allow for free speech, under which flag burning falls under.

 

And I didn't even resort to namecalling you non-American. Also, you've attacked my position without stating your own. So, nut up or shut up. Then I can attack YOUR position and call you crazy names. That's how a debate works.

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So you like to express your freedoms and rights, you believe in the ideals under which this country was founded, but you hate the one symbol which represents all of that. Great logic.

 

My position is very clear: I love my country and I love the flag that represents all that is great about America. You gonna ridicule me for loving the symbol of America?

Um, he burned the flag in a good way...in a respectful way.

 

I dont get what all the fuss in here is about.

 

I posted this more on the interest of the controversy not on whether or not Flag burning is good or not. He wasnt burning the flag in protest or something.

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Buckeye said he burned it for a stupid reason and that he should have at least burned it for a good reason... like hating the government. Well that's certainly not a good reason to burn a flag and then buckeye basically comes and flat out says he doesn't give a damn about the American flag, it doesn't mean anything, and it's just a worthless piece of cloth.

 

So of course, you can see how ridiculous this argument is and it's sad that we're even having it.

Accord is accusing me of "hating America" now. Wow. Real smart.

 

You're still in high school aren't you?

 

Since any kind of discussion has ended in this thread a long time ago, than I'm done.

 

I don't think that when our forefathers came up with the idea of free speech it was so you could randomly attack someone's character and make assumptions by blowing simple statements out of proportion.

Here's some food for thought. If the flag is just a meaningless piece of cloth then burning it in protest would not have any significance at all. The people who protest by that method attach different meanings to that symbol, whether it be racism or some other negative concept. If you believe the flag is a symbol of freedoms, then burning it to protest is asinine

Not if I personally believe it's a peice of cloth and realize how much that so-called flag means to others.

 

It's semantics. I don't care about a flag. What I care about are rights. The Bill of Rights. Yes, the ideas are more important to me than the paper it's written on.

 

Why does it have to be a negative concept? Why can't people burn flags because they have the right to and they're protesting something? I don't see anything wrong with any flag burning. I'll emphasize again: Nobody gets hurt, it sends a message that the person who's burning wants to get out, it CAN be a jumping board for discussion.

 

"What's your problem, man? Why are you burning that flag?"

"Did you know our government..."

"No way! Really?"

 

Of course this in no ways represents real discourse, because let's face it, it's too rational. The first guy actually listened to the second. But in some cases it can be an effective form of expressing discontent (as opposed to say: moving, which someone's bound to offer in the phrase "love it or leave it" which is a big cop-out if you happen to actually believe our government can work).

The petty name calling stops here.

 

You can argue points without name calling or alluding to name calling.

 

If it doesn't cease, I will close the thread.

 

End of discussion.

Again i have no legal problem with flag burning, but it isnt as effective as you say as a form of protest and i feel it alienates people more than anything. the burnt flag by americans in america has almost become a cult symbol on to itself.