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Source: Limits easing for sharp objects on planes

From Jeanne Meserve




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Transportation Security Administration will announce Friday that it will ease restrictions on sharp objects aboard airlines, a Department of Homeland Security official said.


The change in rules, expected to go into effect December 20, will allow for some scissors less than 4 inches long and some tools less than 7 inches long.


The changes are being made to put the focus on explosives, considered the "risk of greatest consequence," according to the source. These can be detected by "puffer machines," which have been deployed to some airports.


Currently, items such as sharp nail scissors and screwdrivers are not allowed on planes. The source attributes the rule change to a "good amount" of screener time devoted to the search for these items.


About half of the nation's 43,000 screeners were trained for some of the new procedures and protocols for explosive detection before Thanksgiving.




Ya cause it wasnt these types of 'tools' that brought the planes down in the first place. So this little charade the past few years was for what exactly? Especially if we are more worried about 'explosives'





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TSA announces security screening changes


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Airline passengers soon will be allowed to take small scissors and screwdrivers aboard planes again, Transportation Security Administration chief Kip Hawley announced Friday.


Hawley said the change will take effect December 22 and is part of a broader effort aimed at having screeners spend more of their time searching for explosives rather than small, sharp objects that don't pose as great a risk. The small implements were banned after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.


In addition, more passengers will be subjected to secondary screening and pat-downs will include the arms and legs as well as the torso. Passengers also can expect more randomness at security gates so would-be terrorists won't know for sure what they will see.


For example, an airport might require all passengers to remove their shoes one day but not the next. Some passengers may have to show their identification an extra time or have their carry-on bag hand-searched.


"By incorporating unpredictability into our procedures and eliminating low-threat items, we can better focus our efforts on stopping individuals who wish to do us harm," Hawley said.


Among the items no longer prohibited from airliner cabins: scissors 4 inches or less, and tools such as screwdrivers, wrenches and pliers that are smaller than 7 inches. Box-cutters and small knives will remain on the list of banned items.


The White House approved the plan, presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said. "We support the decision that they have come to," he said.


But flight attendants and some lawmakers say the changes undermine security.


"I have not spoken to a flight attendant at any airline that isn't outraged by this," said Thom McDaniel, president of Southwest Airlines flight attendants' union, Transport Workers Local 556. "They want to focus more on explosives, but they're not even mentioning that the biggest threat to commercial aviation right now is still the fact that most cargo is not screened."


Reps. Ed Markey, D-Massachusetts, and Joseph Crowley, D-New York, said Thursday they intend to introduce a bill to preserve the current list of items barred from the cabin.


"The Bush administration proposal is just asking the next Mohamed Atta to move from box cutters to scissors as the weapon that's used in the passenger cabin of planes," Markey said, referring to the leader of the September 11 hijackers.


Justin Green is an attorney for the families of three flight attendants who died aboard American Airlines Flight 11, which hijackers crashed into the World Trade Center in New York City on September 11. Two of the flight attendants, Bobbi Arestegui and Karen Martin, were stabbed by the terrorists. The third, Betty Ong, reported what was happening during the hijacking in a telephone call to authorities on the ground.


"The families are outraged that the TSA is planning on letting weapons back on board," Green said.


Airlines generally support Hawley's plan. So does the pilots' largest union, the Air Line Pilots Association.


Bob Hesselbein, the union's national security committee chairman, said pilots think it's more important to focus on passengers' intent rather than what they're carrying.


"A Swiss army knife in the briefcase of a frequent flyer we know very well is a tool," Hesselbein said. "A ballpoint pen in the hands of a terrorist is a weapon."


TSA screeners this year alone have confiscated 12.6 million prohibited items, including 3 million sharp objects, according to the Homeland Security Department.


They've also taken away 8.1 million lighters, the only item prohibited by law. Congress, concerned that terrorists would have an easier time igniting a bomb with a lighter than with matches, enacted the ban. It took effect April 14.


Rep. John Mica, R-Florida, chairman of the House Transportation Committee's aviation panel, agrees with Hawley that screeners should be looking for explosives rather than small, sharp objects that could be used as weapons.


"You have a huge army of pilots that are now armed, you have significant numbers of federal air marshals, you have secure cockpit doors, you have an alert public," Mica said. "Terrorists aren't dumb, they can see what the weakness in the system is."


More than 18,000 screeners have been trained on advanced explosives detection techniques, Mica said.


But Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, a member of the Senate Commerce Committee's aviation panel, objected to the policy shift. In a letter to Hawley, she wrote that the change "could undermine the progress we have made in securing our skies since the 9/11 attacks. Security demands vigilance; we cannot become complacent."


Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed




I mean really. What's the point of this little charade we have been having, and what is the true point behind this besides annoying more people.

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Rep. John Mica, R-Florida, chairman of the House Transportation Committee's aviation panel, agrees with Hawley that screeners should be looking for explosives rather than small, sharp objects that could be used as weapons.

Can someone please remind what the 9/11 hijackers used.... oh that's right :rolleyes: .


Hopefully my fellow Floridian's will not vote for Mica the next time around.

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I have to agree with the decision. The new security in the cockpit is enough to stop people armed with scissors or small sharp objects. Focusing on explosives is a good idea, it's not likely that terrorists will try to take over a plane in the same exact way they did on 9/11 because, as the article says, they are not dumb and know that such an attempt is likely to fail.


I agree though that up to now it's been a farce to search for these things (nail clippers for example).

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Scissors and box cutters are no longer effective since they cant get into the cockpit anymore as it is locked during flight. Anyone who tries to takeover a plane with general items wont be very successful because we know what their intentions are. So even if they threaten to kill people unless the pilot opens the door, the people on the plane will attack them and foil there plan..since they know the terrorists want to crash the plane anyway. All this assuming there isnt an air marshall on the plane.


Long story short: Losing the element of surprise makes these items worthless for terrorists.

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