If we don't offer arbitration to our free agents then we don't get any compensation. I would just like to say if the FO office doesn't offer arbitration to Todd Jones and Alex Gonzalez then they will be hurting the rebuilding process and our future. The main reason our farm sysytem is so good now is not cause of all the trades we have made, its cause of all the picks we get for Redmond, Pavano, and Benitez last year. Neither of the players I mentioned are likely to accept arbitration especially Todd Jones. Same could be said for Alex Gonzalez. When Furcal goes for 13 million a year and rumors are going that the D-Rays could end up getting Andy Marte for Julio Lugo I find it unacceptable and I will be disgusted if they don't offer it to them 2.

 

Without Ryan Tucker, Jacob Marceaux, Sean West, Aaron Thompson, Brett Hayes our farm system wouldn't be one of the top 10 farm systems in baseball.

I agree with you, though I think there's a bigger risk that Gonzalez would take arbitration than Encarnacion since A-Gon is coming off an injury and might be receptive to a one year deal to try and improve his value, whereas Enc is coming off a very good year that might be tough to improve on.

 

Ideally I'd like to see arby offered to Jones, Gonzalez, and Enc, as I doubt any of them accept and it would be great to get some more picks in next year's draft.

Neither Enc or Gonzalez are type-a, so the risk just doesn't justify the reward. Jones will get a mult-year offer from someone, so he should be a candidate, and Conine's a type-a who didn't make a lot of money last year (since a player is guaranteed at least 80% of their previous single season salary) and it's not like it would be a bad thing for the franchise or fan-base if he came back...

Stockpile as many as possible. Oh, and don't forget to offer it to Burnett.

Neither Enc or Gonzalez are type-a, so the risk just doesn't justify the reward. Jones will get a mult-year offer from someone, so he should be a candidate, and Conine's a type-a who didn't make a lot of money last year (since a player is guaranteed at least 80% of their previous single season salary) and it's not like it would be a bad thing for the franchise or fan-base if he came back...

 

 

 

Type B free agents as compensation still require a first round pick. Conine is a A type FA like you said meaning if we offer him arbitration any team that signs him wil have to give up a firts round pick for him. Do you think many teams are going to be willing to give up a firts round pick for what essentially is a bench player? Also what the 80% rule means that the team that offer the players arbitration the least money they can offer him is 80% of what he made the previous season. Arbitrator never give a player less than what he made the previous season though which means if we do offer him arbitration the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

No way Conine makes 5 million...And if the FO thought it was possible, no way in hell would they offer arby.

Yeah, I thought Gonzalez was a Type A. My bad.

 

I guess it could still be offered to both him and Enc, since I'm not sure there's much of a chance they'd accept, but I'll understand if they don't offer.

 

I'd like to see Conine offered, but I'm not sure the Marlins will be able/want to pay him over $2 mil next year at the minimum, since he supposedly earned $3 mil last year (though it's hard to get a definitive number since he reworked his contract after coming back from Baltimore).

 

 

 

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

No way Conine makes 5 million...And if the FO thought it was possible, no way in hell would they offer arby.

 

Well, if they think Conine's gonna get 5 mil in arby, I wouldn't blame them for not offering.

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

No way Conine makes 5 million...And if the FO thought it was possible, no way in hell would they offer arby.

 

 

Its very possible. I will be sweating bullets tonight and tommorrow until the final word comes out on who's been offered arbitration.

 

 

COME ON BEINFEST DO THE SMART THING

 

Offer it to Encarnacion, Jones and Gonzalez

Yeah, I thought Gonzalez was a Type A. My bad.

 

I guess it could still be offered to both him and Enc, since I'm not sure there's much of a chance they'd accept, but I'll understand if they don't offer.

 

I'd like to see Conine offered, but I'm not sure the Marlins will be able/want to pay him over $2 mil next year at the minimum, since he supposedly earned $3 mil last year (though it's hard to get a definitive number since he reworked his contract after coming back from Baltimore).

 

 

I believe Conine change a 1 yr $5M contract into 2yrs/$6M ($3M per year).

Does anyone think the large cash bonuses paid to high draft picks will have any affect on who we offer arbitration?

Yeah, I thought Gonzalez was a Type A. My bad.

 

I guess it could still be offered to both him and Enc, since I'm not sure there's much of a chance they'd accept, but I'll understand if they don't offer.

 

I'd like to see Conine offered, but I'm not sure the Marlins will be able/want to pay him over $2 mil next year at the minimum, since he supposedly earned $3 mil last year (though it's hard to get a definitive number since he reworked his contract after coming back from Baltimore).

 

 

 

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

No way Conine makes 5 million...And if the FO thought it was possible, no way in hell would they offer arby.

 

Well, if they think Conine's gonna get 5 mil in arby, I wouldn't blame them for not offering.

 

 

A team that sign a TYPE B Free agent still has to give uo there first round pick. The difference is the team that loses the players doesn't get the supplemnetal first round pick.

Yeah, I thought Gonzalez was a Type A. My bad.

 

I guess it could still be offered to both him and Enc, since I'm not sure there's much of a chance they'd accept, but I'll understand if they don't offer.

 

I'd like to see Conine offered, but I'm not sure the Marlins will be able/want to pay him over $2 mil next year at the minimum, since he supposedly earned $3 mil last year (though it's hard to get a definitive number since he reworked his contract after coming back from Baltimore).

 

 

I believe Conine change a 1 yr $5M contract into 2yrs/$6M ($3M per year).

 

Yeah, I was more concerned with the breakdown of the contract, as in whether or not it was backloaded. It's assumed to be 3/3 in most places I've looked, but I haven't found anything definitive or that agrees with each other (for example, MLB4U has Conine at 3 mil last year, whereas Hardball Dollars has him at 4.75 mil). Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places though.

Type B free agents as compensation still require a first round pick. Conine is a A type FA like you said meaning if we offer him arbitration any team that signs him wil have to give up a firts round pick for him. Do you think many teams are going to be willing to give up a firts round pick for what essentially is a bench player? Also what the 80% rule means that the team that offer the players arbitration the least money they can offer him is 80% of what he made the previous season. Arbitrator never give a player less than what he made the previous season though which means if we do offer him arbitration the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

Don't Type B have the same rules as Type A, except without the sandwich pick? In other words if they go to one of the lower half teams with a protected first round pick then the team that lost them would be awarded a 2nd round pick.

Does anyone think the large cash bonuses paid to high draft picks will have any affect on who we offer arbitration?

 

 

 

Well the average supplemental first round picks in bonus gets around 1 million dollar (if not Boras client). As of now we have a supplemenatl 1 and the Blue Jays 3rd round pick which will probably cost us around 800-500 K

Yeah, I thought Gonzalez was a Type A. My bad.

 

I guess it could still be offered to both him and Enc, since I'm not sure there's much of a chance they'd accept, but I'll understand if they don't offer.

 

I'd like to see Conine offered, but I'm not sure the Marlins will be able/want to pay him over $2 mil next year at the minimum, since he supposedly earned $3 mil last year (though it's hard to get a definitive number since he reworked his contract after coming back from Baltimore).

 

 

 

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

No way Conine makes 5 million...And if the FO thought it was possible, no way in hell would they offer arby.

 

Well, if they think Conine's gonna get 5 mil in arby, I wouldn't blame them for not offering.

 

 

A team that sign a TYPE B Free agent still has to give uo there first round pick. The difference is the team that loses the players doesn't get the supplemnetal first round pick.

Explain to me how the compensation works. Teams with bad records dont have to give up a sandwich? I get the general idea, but the details are iffy in my mind.

I believe Conine change a 1 yr $5M contract into 2yrs/$6M ($3M per year).

 

 

Yeah, I was more concerned with the breakdown of the contract, as in whether or not it was backloaded. It's assumed to be 3/3 in most places I've looked, but I haven't found anything definitive or that agrees with each other (for example, MLB4U has Conine at 3 mil last year, whereas Hardball Dollars has him at 4.75 mil). Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places though.

I've had that in my spread sheet since he signed. It was probably reported in an article at the time.

Explain to me how the compensation works. Teams with bad records dont have to give up a sandwich? I get the general idea, but the details are iffy in my mind.

 

 

If the pick is in the first 15, it's protected.

 

If two players of the same grade sign with the same team, Elias' individual player ranking is used for the tie breaker.

 

So, for example:

 

The Blue Jays are picking in the top-15, so their first round pick is protected. Ryan and AJ were both type-a's, but Ryan ranks higher, therefore we get the Jays' third round pick (second rounder goes to the O's) and a supplemental first rounder.

Yeah, I thought Gonzalez was a Type A. My bad.

 

I guess it could still be offered to both him and Enc, since I'm not sure there's much of a chance they'd accept, but I'll understand if they don't offer.

 

I'd like to see Conine offered, but I'm not sure the Marlins will be able/want to pay him over $2 mil next year at the minimum, since he supposedly earned $3 mil last year (though it's hard to get a definitive number since he reworked his contract after coming back from Baltimore).

 

 

 

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

No way Conine makes 5 million...And if the FO thought it was possible, no way in hell would they offer arby.

 

Well, if they think Conine's gonna get 5 mil in arby, I wouldn't blame them for not offering.

 

 

A team that sign a TYPE B Free agent still has to give uo there first round pick. The difference is the team that loses the players doesn't get the supplemnetal first round pick.

Explain to me how the compensation works. Teams with bad records dont have to give up a sandwich? I get the general idea, but the details are iffy in my mind.

 

The worst 14-16 teams by record have there pick protected and have to give up there 2nd if they sign a Type A or B free agent. Now the Elias Bureau has a system where they give points to players. They rank them by position and points. The one's with the most points have more value. Ex Ryan ha smore value than Burnett so the O's get the Jays 2nd for the Ryan signing and we get the Jays 3rd for the Burnett signing.

 

Type A and B free agents cost the team that signed them a 1 round pick and if protected a 2nd. Now Type also requires a supplemental 1 round pick as well. Type C free agents don't cost the signee team anything but that team that loses the player gets a supplemental 2nd.

Yeah, I thought Gonzalez was a Type A. My bad.

 

I guess it could still be offered to both him and Enc, since I'm not sure there's much of a chance they'd accept, but I'll understand if they don't offer.

 

I'd like to see Conine offered, but I'm not sure the Marlins will be able/want to pay him over $2 mil next year at the minimum, since he supposedly earned $3 mil last year (though it's hard to get a definitive number since he reworked his contract after coming back from Baltimore).

 

 

 

the least money Conine wil recieve is 5 million for one season.

 

 

More like the most he will make will be $5 million.

 

He made $3 mil last season, he didn't tear up the power categories, and he's 39.

 

Conine getting arbitration will not be a bank-breaking decision.

No way Conine makes 5 million...And if the FO thought it was possible, no way in hell would they offer arby.

 

Well, if they think Conine's gonna get 5 mil in arby, I wouldn't blame them for not offering.

 

 

A team that sign a TYPE B Free agent still has to give uo there first round pick. The difference is the team that loses the players doesn't get the supplemnetal first round pick.

Explain to me how the compensation works. Teams with bad records dont have to give up a sandwich? I get the general idea, but the details are iffy in my mind.

 

If the pick is in the first 15, it's protected.

 

If two players of the same grade sign with the same, Elias' individual player ranking is used for the tie breaker.

 

So, for example:

 

The Blue Jays are picking in the top-15, so their first round pick is protected. Ryan and AJ were both type-a's, but Ryan ranks higher, therefore we get the Jays' third round pick (second rounder goes to the O's) and a supplemental first rounder.

Suplemental as in sandwich?

Yes sir.

From prosportsdaily.com

 

A player that has accrued 6 complete years or more of service time at the end of a season and does not have a contract is eligible for filing for free agency, after which the player can sign with any team he wants.

 

To receive compensation for a player that signs with another team, the team must offer the player salary arbitration.

 

The team must offer salary arbitration to the player by December 7 or will not be allowed to negotiate with or sign the player until the following May 1. After arbitration is offered, the player has until December 19 to either accept or refuse salary arbitration. If it is refused, the player can only negotiate with the club until January 7th, after which no more negotiation can take place until May 1.

 

The compensation formula is based off a negotiated formula, heavy on triple crown stats, for the previous 2 seasons. Type A players are those that rank in the top 30% of his position. Type B players are those that rank below top 30% but still in the top 50%. Type C players are those that rank in the top 60% but not the top 50%.

 

A type players fetch the 1st-round draft pick of teams in the top half of W-L record or a 2nd-round draft pick of teams in the bottom half of W-L record and an additional pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds. B types don't get the sandwich pick and C type players fetch a sandwich between the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The higher the player's ranking in the compensation formula, the higher priority the old team gets in acquiring draft picks.

 

Something that's never mentioned is that there are still limits to the type of free agents that teams may sign.

 

If there are 14 or less type A and B players available, no team may sign more than 1 type A or B player. If there are 15-38 available A and B players, no team may sign more than 2. From 39-62 this becomes 3. The club quota increases accordingly for higher totals of available free agents. There is no maximum allowed for type C free agents. Lastly, a team can sign up to as many type A and B free agents as they've lost, regardless of the above quota.

Ah, thanks to everyone kind enough to clue me in :thumbup

Very interesting, I had an idea of how this works but its much clearer now.

Thanks PBMarlin!

any idea who we offered to?