I would like Law here, we need a shutdown corner and Mcnair with the talent here could thrive in my opinion.

I would like Law here, we need a shutdown corner and Mcnair with the talent here could thrive in my opinion.

That's for sure man. If there was one area we were exposed in (in fact I feel we were made to look stupid sometimes) was on deep coverage. I was interested in going after Nate Clements but from what I've been reading he is going to get the franchise tag.

Noone said that. But we all agree it does have to do with the talent surrounding the QB. You need to do a bit better reading b/c we are not arguing that point. The point you were trying to make was who was a worse QB last year. And clearly, regardless of who was surrounding him, Gus was not the worse QB. If you want to take into account that he had better talent around him then Brett and Steve, then yes he was the worst. The players around Gus made him that much better. Thats the whole point of the team concept. That wasnt the point YOU were trying to make.

 

 

Well do you think if McNair or Brett come to Miami, they are going to take their offenses with them here? Use your brain, its there to help you. I said Gus was the worst starting QB in the NFL last year and at the end of your little statement where you said " If you want to take into account that he had better talent around him then Brett and Steve, then yes he was the worst," shows how ignorant you are being and that I am correct in my assertion. Since we are talking about bringing a QB TO MIAMI, then you have to say who would be better with this talent and you have admitted that I am correct. Thanks.

 

Ahh so now there is an exception once I disprove your arguement. Meh im done arguing with you dude. This is rediculous.

 

First of all, the word is RIDICULOUS. Second, what did you disprove? You showed that not only cant you spell, you have no reading comprehension either. When someone says "generally rookies QBs are known to strugge", that would imply that there are exceptions to the rule and sometimes a rookie QB will come in and play well but that is not the norm, therefore they would be the EXCEPTION. Clear enough for you or do I have to break out the dictionary next? im not even going to justify explaining myself to you when you do not even know how to speak to someone like a human being rather then trying to piss on someone. is that clear enough for you?!!? i do not need YOU to correct MY spelling on a msg board where 90% of the people do not spell correctly. look these are my opinions and you can choose to disagree with them all you want but do not make yourself look like a jerk in doing so.

 

have a nice afternoon.

 

I guess this is a childish way of admitting you proved nothing and were wrong.

 

I will accecpt it.

I want Hutchinson more than anyone else though, he's a must need for the line.

Noone said that. But we all agree it does have to do with the talent surrounding the QB. You need to do a bit better reading b/c we are not arguing that point. The point you were trying to make was who was a worse QB last year. And clearly, regardless of who was surrounding him, Gus was not the worse QB. If you want to take into account that he had better talent around him then Brett and Steve, then yes he was the worst. The players around Gus made him that much better. Thats the whole point of the team concept. That wasnt the point YOU were trying to make.

 

 

Well do you think if McNair or Brett come to Miami, they are going to take their offenses with them here? Use your brain, its there to help you. I said Gus was the worst starting QB in the NFL last year and at the end of your little statement where you said " If you want to take into account that he had better talent around him then Brett and Steve, then yes he was the worst," shows how ignorant you are being and that I am correct in my assertion. Since we are talking about bringing a QB TO MIAMI, then you have to say who would be better with this talent and you have admitted that I am correct. Thanks.

 

Ahh so now there is an exception once I disprove your arguement. Meh im done arguing with you dude. This is rediculous.

 

First of all, the word is RIDICULOUS. Second, what did you disprove? You showed that not only cant you spell, you have no reading comprehension either. When someone says "generally rookies QBs are known to strugge", that would imply that there are exceptions to the rule and sometimes a rookie QB will come in and play well but that is not the norm, therefore they would be the EXCEPTION. Clear enough for you or do I have to break out the dictionary next? im not even going to justify explaining myself to you when you do not even know how to speak to someone like a human being rather then trying to piss on someone. is that clear enough for you?!!? i do not need YOU to correct MY spelling on a msg board where 90% of the people do not spell correctly. look these are my opinions and you can choose to disagree with them all you want but do not make yourself look like a jerk in doing so.

 

have a nice afternoon.

 

I guess this is a childish way of admitting you proved nothing and were wrong.

 

I will accecpt it. If thats what you think :thumbup Rather stupid comment since you didnt prove anything. You simply stated your opinions. But hey if that gets you off enjoy!

Well I will not count Orton because he is not Chicago's real QB. I thought you would have used your head enough to realize I was not talking about someone in their rookie year since it is common knowledge rookie QBs generally struggle in the NFL.

 

However, since you are going to be an ass on the subject, then lets be realistic and you should be willing to admitt that once Alex Smith matures into a veteran he will almost certainly be much better than Gus. Alex and Gus are not in the same equation, they are at two different places in their career.

 

So now I will say this to clarify my statement and avoid you coping out: Gus was the worst starting veteran QB in the NFL last year. Prove me wrong.

 

It can be argued Aaron Brooks was a worse veteran starting QB than Gus Frerotte last year. Brooks had a higher completion percentage (not a great stat to base performance on, but whatever) and yards per attempt, but finished with a much worse TD/INT ratio and worse rating.

 

Unlike Favre, if you switch the teams of Brooks and Frerotte, I'm not sure there's a noticeable performance difference, either.

Well I will not count Orton because he is not Chicago's real QB. I thought you would have used your head enough to realize I was not talking about someone in their rookie year since it is common knowledge rookie QBs generally struggle in the NFL.

 

However, since you are going to be an ass on the subject, then lets be realistic and you should be willing to admitt that once Alex Smith matures into a veteran he will almost certainly be much better than Gus. Alex and Gus are not in the same equation, they are at two different places in their career.

 

So now I will say this to clarify my statement and avoid you coping out: Gus was the worst starting veteran QB in the NFL last year. Prove me wrong.

 

It can be argued Aaron Brooks was a worse veteran starting QB than Gus Frerotte last year. Brooks had a higher completion percentage (not a great stat to base performance on, but whatever) and yards per attempt, but finished with a much worse TD/INT ratio and worse rating.

 

Unlike Favre, if you switch the teams of Brooks and Frerotte, I'm not sure there's a noticeable performance difference, either.

 

 

He also played most of the year without McCallister, Joe Horn and Boo Williams. Also, he had to play a "home game" in NY and really never had a true home last year.

I want Hutchinson more than anyone else though, he's a must need for the line.

 

 

he will be franchised there is no way that they let him go. since they can not franchise Alexander and are way under the cap I expect them to franchise Hutchinson.

 

I would love him or Bently though in a heartbeat.

 

 

Does anyone else wonder the possibility of Law at Free Safety? He doesnt move as fast as he once did but as a free safety he could travel more of the exposed field easier.

McNair is the man, don't put the last couple seasons and this pro-bowl on his shoulders, the Titans have been in cap hell the last 2 years and have pretty much gotten rid of all their offensive talent.

 

as far as the pro bowl goes, all of the AFC QB's played poorly, hell, Manning threw 3 INT's...

hell. Cant we go after cullpepper. Last I heard he was pissed in minnesota ,,,wanted a raise or something. I say go after him, we have plenty of money and we will definetely be su[er bowl contenders.

 

 

I'm getting real xcited

culpepper wont be ready till halfway through the season and he would cost alot in a trade too

Well I will not count Orton because he is not Chicago's real QB. I thought you would have used your head enough to realize I was not talking about someone in their rookie year since it is common knowledge rookie QBs generally struggle in the NFL.

 

However, since you are going to be an ass on the subject, then lets be realistic and you should be willing to admitt that once Alex Smith matures into a veteran he will almost certainly be much better than Gus. Alex and Gus are not in the same equation, they are at two different places in their career.

 

So now I will say this to clarify my statement and avoid you coping out: Gus was the worst starting veteran QB in the NFL last year. Prove me wrong.

 

It can be argued Aaron Brooks was a worse veteran starting QB than Gus Frerotte last year. Brooks had a higher completion percentage (not a great stat to base performance on, but whatever) and yards per attempt, but finished with a much worse TD/INT ratio and worse rating.

 

Unlike Favre, if you switch the teams of Brooks and Frerotte, I'm not sure there's a noticeable performance difference, either.

 

 

He also played most of the year without McCallister, Joe Horn and Boo Williams. Also, he had to play a "home game" in NY and really never had a true home last year.

 

Quit grasping at straws and trying to make excuses. I think Gus sucks, I'm not a Dolphins fan by any means, but he wasn't unquestionably the worst QB in the NFL last year.

 

You admitted as much when proven wrong, then changed it to worst veteran QB. Then, you stated that even though he had better numbers than Favre in some categories, it didn't matter because of the teammates and that if they switched teams Favre would do much better (certainly debatable). Now, you're saying that because Brooks' team suffered some injuries (and counting Boo Williams in that category :lol ) and "didn't have a true home" that he's excused from your evaluation, as if he's had other years where he's lit up the league. What's next, asking people to find a worse QB named Gus who started for a southern team in the AFC?

 

If I had to make an honest assessment, I think Gus was no worse last year (among veteran QB's, since that's your new criteria) than Brooks, Dilfer, Boller (even with his end of the season explosion, and yes he's now a veteran QB), and maybe Harrington. If you count rookie/2nd year QB's or even QB's who started parts of the season and sucked major ass (Chaz Batch/Tommy Maddox in Pittsburgh being exhibit A) he moves up the list even further.

 

The Dolphins could certainly do better next year, but they could do worse, and it's probably not worth the probably large difference in salary to bring someone marginally better.

Well I would think when you take into account Brooks career numbers compared to last year and the circumstances, it makes sense why he had a down year. I still see Brooks as a better QB than Gus and I still think Gus was the worst starting QB in the NFL last year. Gus had very good talent around him offensively and the fact that even Sage Rosenfels can come in and put up good numbers should show you that the talent around him had more to do with any success than his actual skill. Gus is a great backup and a horrendous starter.

 

I am sorry but it is common knowledge that the team around a QB does make a huge difference in stats and play. To ignore this fact is pure ignorance.

 

 

PS. What kind of numbers do you think Gus would have put up if his RB duo was Antowain Smith and Aaron Sellers while having a top receiver of career underacheiver Donte Stallworth for most of the year, not to mention not having a real home stadium? Still think he would put up decent numbers? It is funny, the 2 QBs you pick on (Favre and Brooks) both had tremendous injury problems this year and poor talent to work with as a result. Maybe it is just a coincidence that both of their play suffered because of this.....

 

 

Whatever, agree to disagree.