And the same situation exists in South Florida. The Marlins will have to secure over $100M (I believe $130M was the last figure) for a park in South Florida. What is your point? Where is your proof that San Antonio is requiring it be upfront? Where is your proof the Marlins have any better luck fulfilling their requirements in South Florida than in San Antonio?

 

Why are you making it a point to smash holes in San Antonio's proposal and overlook that in Miami or Hialeah's?

 

Dade County is willing to finance the Marlins, Bexar County would require the Marlins to go loan shopping. That would require opening the team's books and possibly collateral to a Bank of America for example.

And Bexar isn't? Says who. Not them. Not directly. Their FIRST proposal is a plan designed for a NBA arena and established team. Common sense (that's another thing we use with facts to arrive at conclusions) says that this is not the best offer the Marlins could get from San Antonio if they were enter negotiations. History (past facts, another thing we use to give us insight on the present) suggests that the Marlins and MLB will pressure San Antonio towards financing the Marlins' contribution of rental payments and naming rights. Nevermind that it's really to everyone's benefit, except to the underwriter, if the municipality were to finance it themselves.

 

You're operating a very flimsy premise. You know as well as I that San Antonio is lightyears ahead of Miami, and Dade and Hialeah were a few weeks ago. And that's without even months of negotiations between the Marlins and them.

Keep thinking that.

I'll try, but I tend to keep an open mind about things. Unlike some people.

I'll try. I tend to keep an open mind about things. Unlike some people.

 

Will you be so joyful about the Marlins City of the Month for April as you have been for the one in March?

If it's a step forward toward resolving the Marlins' problems after a year of nothingness, yes.

If it's a step forward toward resolving the Marlins' problems after a year of nothingness, yes.

 

2006 will be a more than profitable year for the team. So I wouldn't call it nothingness.

Do you know that for a fact? :lol

 

I was talking about the past year. Though even if the past year was productive, the inclusion of San Antonio's offer is not only every bit as favorable to the Marlins, it should help move the process forward. I'm sure the negotiations with Hialeah, which you obviously a little bit more interested in, will as well.

Do you know that for a fact? :lol

 

I was talking about the past year. Though even if the past year was productive, the inclusion of San Antonio's offer is not only every bit as favorable to the Marlins, it should help move the process forward. I'm sure the negotiations with Hialeah, which you obviously a little bit more interested in, will as well.

 

Negotiations were on-going, nothing can be done without the stuides being completed.

I know that, but thanks for giving us an update on that

I know that, but thanks for giving us an update on that

 

Then what are you pouting about?

 

The Hialeah deal still has no hard numbers because studies are not done. San Antonio hasn't even hired an architect to think about costs!

Pouting about what? That you are making it a point to smash holes in San Antonio's proposal and overlook that in Miami or Hialeah's?

 

And just where are the plats for any of the Hialeah sites, Cape? Nevermind that the Marlins are working with greatest sports architectural firm, they'll have little trouble adapting pre-existing plans, ideas and other stadiums to site or cost. With about a $200M difference in the proposed projects and atleast a $30M difference in the Marlins' responsibility, you're going to do a lot better than that to destroy the San Antonio offer to shreds.

You know as well as I that San Antonio is lightyears ahead of Miami, and Dade and Hialeah were a few weeks ago. And that's without even months of negotiations between the Marlins and them.

:blink: :blink: :blink:

 

Now let's not get carried away....Miami-Dade actually has financing in place, and there are some real questions about how big-league of a market San Antonio really is.

 

But I will agree that the San Antonio offer can only help the Marlins, in terms of leverage.

San Antonio hasn't even hired an architect to think about costs!

 

We have been used by almost every Major league as leverage, we've become experts on what to, or not offer. Personally, I think this is just leverage. Although, $300MM is the begining bid, if we peak the Marlins interest, the offer will be tailored. :whistle

 

Most recently, why would the Saints go back to NO, losing 50% of the population, I don't know the MSA impact. But Benson got what he wanted, increased revenue sharing from the other clubs. :whistle There is no corporate base to speak of.

 

Building the stadium in north San Antonio, would put the southside of SA within 20-25 minutes aways, while closing the gap to Austin to 40-45 minutes. :thumbup

You know as well as I that San Antonio is lightyears ahead of Miami, and Dade and Hialeah were a few weeks ago. And that's without even months of negotiations between the Marlins and them.

:blink: :blink: :blink:

 

Now let's not get carried away....Miami-Dade actually has financing in place, and there are some real questions about how big-league of a market San Antonio really is.

 

But I will agree that the San Antonio offer can only help the Marlins, in terms of leverage.

True. Significant parts of the financing are in place and ear-marked by Dade. I'm not sure there's anything to be concerned about the market that isn't already in South Florida, even at the Hialeah sites.

Hehehehehe.....

 

:shifty

 

:whistle

Here's the piece of land the city of Hialeah bought in HH for $22M.

 

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/myhome/propma...Dis=&Mkt=&HexV=

 

http://egvsys.miamidade.gov:1608/wwwserv/g...o=0420200010150

 

 

The City of Hialeah DOES NOT OWN ANY OF THE PARCELS IN THE HIALEAH HEIGHTS LOCATION!!!!!

 

The City merely "annexed" the parcels, that does NOT mean they own them. Annexation means that the City Limits have been extended around those privately owned parcels to bring them within the jurisdiction of the city for tax and municipal services.

 

The parcel you have "highlighted" is owned by 77 Acres, LLC. That is a PRIVATE OWNER and not the City of Hialeah.

 

Really hard to defend your "credibility" as "reporters" when you're misreading the facts in your own links.

And Bexar isn't? Says who. Not them. Not directly. Their FIRST proposal is a plan designed for a NBA arena and established team. Common sense (that's another thing we use with facts to arrive at conclusions) says that this is not the best offer the Marlins could get from San Antonio if they were enter negotiations. History (past facts, another thing we use to give us insight on the present) suggests that the Marlins and MLB will pressure San Antonio towards financing the Marlins' contribution of rental payments and naming rights. Nevermind that it's really to everyone's benefit, except to the underwriter, if the municipality were to finance it themselves.

 

You're operating a very flimsy premise. You know as well as I that San Antonio is lightyears ahead of Miami, and Dade and Hialeah were a few weeks ago. And that's without even months of negotiations between the Marlins and them.

 

 

I tried to tell Cape that days ago. That this proposal from San Antonio is just that an initial proposal, you need something to get into serious talks about. This is it.

 

This is in noway, shape or form the 'final' offer and if you think that then you have not ever entered into any real business negotiations.

 

 

 

Here's the piece of land the city of Hialeah bought in HH for $22M.

 

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/myhome/propma...Dis=&Mkt=&HexV=

 

http://egvsys.miamidade.gov:1608/wwwserv/g...o=0420200010150

 

 

The City of Hialeah DOES NOT OWN ANY OF THE PARCELS IN THE HIALEAH HEIGHTS LOCATION!!!!!

 

The City merely "annexed" the parcels, that does NOT mean they own them. Annexation means that the City Limits have been extended around those privately owned parcels to bring them within the jurisdiction of the city for tax and municipal services.

 

The parcel you have "highlighted" is owned by 77 Acres, LLC. That is a PRIVATE OWNER and not the City of Hialeah.

 

Really hard to defend your "credibility" as "reporters" when you're misreading the facts in your own links.

 

wow.

Really hard to defend your "credibility" as "reporters" when you're misreading the facts in your own links.

 

 

I'll let our site's record of 2 reporting errors in the last 3 months answer any questions about our credibility.

And what should the skewing of facts to your favored location tell us?

i see a bunch of copied-n-pasted articles on the site.

 

# Land Deal Leads To Conflict of Interest

# Marlins get a serious suitor

# San Antonio makes the Marlins an offer

# City manager defends his investments

# Arriola failed to reveal land deal

# Cisneros showed interest in Marlins

# MLB signs D.C. stadium lease

 

where's the commentary at? i want to read some of this skewing.

It's here on this messageboard in Cape's posts

San Antonio is not talking to the Marlins. San Antonio isn't proposing anything.

 

It is Bexar County that is doing all the dealings, not the city of San Antonio.

 

Also, like many have said, this is the inital offer, not a take it or leave it offer.

I used euphemisms to make my point against Cape (and others) who attempt to discredit other cities' prospects. South Florida isn't in negotiations with the Marlins either, it's Dade County and certain other municipalities.

For anyone interested:

 

This is one of the sites they showed the Marlins.

 

 

 

It's an abandoned quarry on the northeast side of the city.

 

The Spurs proposed building their arena there back in 1999 but it didn't work out. I forget, but I believe some group protested against them building it there.