if any san antonio stadium is located in the northwest sections of Bexar county, then just go ahead and include New Braunfuls and San Marcus into our market, which while not that huge, has some significant $$$.

 

 

Personally I would love for a ballpark to be built in the downtown area, but that is not realistic. The Longhorn Quarry idea which has been tossed around I dont think will ever get off its feet for many reasons.

 

I dont like the stadium near the AT&T center neither.

 

I would think the most sense for a ballpark would be out by the Forum, which puts you right near New Braunfuls and right on 35 which is the closest you can really come to Austin while keeping this in Bexar County.

 

If they ever get the highway finished out in that area its great. But this is all in the infancy stages of anything.

 

To simply dismiss it is quite funny.

That site in San Antonio looks like the Joe Robbie site. Just a spur(sic) off the highway. It won't do at all. Doesn't look like a "destination" site, and the only foot traffic might be some illegals who just crossed the border passing by. Doesn't Bexar county have some downtown site to offer? Tex...is there anything downtown available?

 

 

Nice one idiot. Sorry, I don't see why this idiot brought up "illegals."

 

Anyway, that isn't a spur, it's Wurzbach Parkway, a hybrid freeway, and it does run through the Quarry, however just south osoutheast of this picture is Interstate 35.

 

Also the area of this quarry is very middle class/upper middle class.

 

 

You're a moron. I guess you have to have an IQ over 60 to recognize a joke. Bulls balls man, do they take away your sense of humor when you cross the state line there? Actually I have family there, and I know there's plenty of friendly people in Texas, you're just a bad representative.

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There's some on these boards who feel MLB can only survive these days with a new stadium if it's built in an urban location. I'm not one of them. The quarry site doesn't look urban. It looks like a spur off a highway which is surounded by homes. Very similar to the Joe Robbie site. And I for one like the Joe Robbie site...it just has a terrible lease and a so-so stadium. It would be an ideal location for a new stadium with a friendlier lease. The Hialeah Heights site is quite similar.

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.Keep up the good work Cape and Festa. You've dealt with this conflict of opinion in a professional, straightforward, calm, and adult way.

That quarry site seems to offers some advantages transportation wise, but I can't comment on it since I am not familiar with the site specifically.

well I-35 is a fairly major highway in this nation.

 

 

that view doesnt really show much about the area and what is in it. I'm not really sure what your definition of urban is...This site surely isnt in the middle of nothing.

 

That is a fairly upclose shot of the area, the 'spur' is actually just the road linking the Wurzbach Parkway to I-35, its less than a mile away.

 

And I just saw it, but I take major offense to your dig of San Antonio, South Texas and illegals.

 

Besides its not like Miami should be making jokes about illegals as they have many more than San Antonio, especially in the manner in which you went about it.

well I-35 is a fairly major highway in this nation.

 

 

that view doesnt really show much about the area and what is in it. I'm not really sure what your definition of urban is...This site surely isnt in the middle of nothing.

 

That is a fairly upclose shot of the area, the 'spur' is actually just the road linking the Wurzbach Parkway to I-35, its less than a mile away.

 

And I just saw it, but I take major offense to your dig of San Antonio, South Texas and illegals.

 

Besides its not like Miami should be making jokes about illegals as they have many more than San Antonio, especially in the manner in which you went about it.

 

I know about I-35. I understand it isn't in the middle-of-nowhere.

 

When did I take a dig at San Antonio, South Texas, and illegals?

 

Since when are people who have to fly in with visas illegal?

well I-35 is a fairly major highway in this nation.

 

 

that view doesnt really show much about the area and what is in it. I'm not really sure what your definition of urban is...This site surely isnt in the middle of nothing.

 

That is a fairly upclose shot of the area, the 'spur' is actually just the road linking the Wurzbach Parkway to I-35, its less than a mile away.

 

And I just saw it, but I take major offense to your dig of San Antonio, South Texas and illegals.

 

Besides its not like Miami should be making jokes about illegals as they have many more than San Antonio, especially in the manner in which you went about it.

 

I know about I-35. I understand it isn't in the middle-of-nowhere.

 

When did I take a dig at San Antonio, South Texas, and illegals?

 

Since when are people who have to fly in with visas illegal?

cape,

 

did i quote YOU

 

 

question

well I-35 is a fairly major highway in this nation.

 

 

that view doesnt really show much about the area and what is in it. I'm not really sure what your definition of urban is...This site surely isnt in the middle of nothing.

 

That is a fairly upclose shot of the area, the 'spur' is actually just the road linking the Wurzbach Parkway to I-35, its less than a mile away.

 

And I just saw it, but I take major offense to your dig of San Antonio, South Texas and illegals.

 

Besides its not like Miami should be making jokes about illegals as they have many more than San Antonio, especially in the manner in which you went about it.

 

I know about I-35. I understand it isn't in the middle-of-nowhere.

 

When did I take a dig at San Antonio, South Texas, and illegals?

 

Since when are people who have to fly in with visas illegal?

cape,

 

did i quote YOU

 

 

question

Can easily be misunderstood because you talk about the transportation which is something I raised in the previous post. You did not quote anyone in that post, so I was hoping you weren't throwing those barbs at me.

well i was directing that specifically at the only one to make that stupid remark...

 

pierremvp1

well i was directing that specifically at the only one to make that stupid remark...

 

pierremvp1

 

Well then you're a moron too Tex. It was a joke, not a stupid remark or a dig at San Antonio. For those feeble minded, or just touchy...allow me to make a joke about South Florida. If they proposed a ballpark on the water, one could joke that there may not be foot traffic, but there could be float traffic, from the Cuban rafters.

well i was directing that specifically at the only one to make that stupid remark...

 

pierremvp1

 

Well then you're a moron too Tex. It was a joke, not a stupid remark or a dig at San Antonio. For those feeble minded, or just touchy...allow me to make a joke about South Florida. If they proposed a ballpark on the water, one could joke that there may not be foot traffic, but there could be float traffic, from the Cuban rafters.

 

cop out.

 

and a stupid, stupid joke at that.

 

If I cant make jokes that some on here would take as offensive, then neither can you.

 

Just admit it was in poor taste and thats it. Yet you want to go around calling people morons. Wise.

You attack me personally, yet when I present why I said San Antonio's current deal was dead in the water you brush it off. The fact is San Antonio not only has to prove it is MLB-viable, not only do they have to come up with the voter approval, not only do they have to get season tickets sold, not only do they have to "help" the Marlins find someone to loan them the money to do this, not only do they have to see the Marlins sell a share to local investors, but then the Marlins/SA have to go to MLB and buy out the significant TV Territory rights the Texas Rangers and Houston Astros have to the area. Bexar County's current proposal makes no suggestion on how the Marlins will come up with the funds to complete construction. No matter how you look at it, the money has to be paid to contractors by the time the stadium opens. The Marlins won't make $100M in 3 years unless they flat out lied about South Florida operational losses. Until you understand this premise, you will not understand why this offer is dead in the water.

Because your reasons are entirely stupid and unbecoming that of your reputation or your work analyzing the Dade / Miami and Hialeah deals. You are unwilling to accept that this is just a first offer from Bexar, better than any the Marlins have received and very comparable to that they are negotiating right now with Hialeah. You assumed wrongly that the Marlins contribution was upfront. You have since relented that point yet still refuse to believe that the Marlins and MLB may have some success in negotiations convincing Bexar that their deal to build a NBA arena for a team only threatening to leave isn't exactly fair to MLB and a team considering coming to town. The Bexar offer is promising and very favorable to the Marlins (arguably more so than the Hialeah offer) yet you refuse to believe that it will go anywhere. You contend that Hialeah will. You have not proven why one will but the other will not. Of course there's a lot of work to do, but there's a lot of work to do on the Hialeah site as well. Atleast the Bexar offer promises fewer land acquisition problems and less contribution from the team, the two biggest hurdles in the history of building MLB stadiums in the modern era. You make misleading characterizations of both offers. There is no land situation that exists in Bexar that doesn't also exist with the Hialeah or Miami sites, in fact Bexar's ability to buy those extra parcels at a reasonable price is far greater than Dade's.

 

It is like trying to buy a house with little job history, little or bad credit, and low amounts of cash in the bank. Now what bank is going to give you such a big loan? Unless Bexar County comes back with a solution, which they have no indications they will have to, and I will not make the assumption Bexar County will, then this is dead-in-the-water.

bulls***. They made their first offer last week, Cape! The only one who is even thinking they won't make another offer is you.

 

The facts are there. Financials are not going to change. The Marlins need governmental help or else it ain't getting done anywhere unless Loria sells out.

You know as well as I do that the only way this will work out is a municipality comes to their aid. Whether that be Dade and Hialeah, Bexar and San Antonio or someone or nowhere we'll see. You know MLB. I know MLB. Let's stop playing games. Your last comment is very telling of your bias.

 

Dade County has a bigger budget and better credit than some states. I know this through first-hand experience. The day Dade County is broke is the day the earth will stop spinning and explode. The Dolphins Stadium Corporation pays the loan on time, the basketball arenas* have their own bed taxes to pay on-time, and we have plenty of Hurricane "Rainy-Day" funds. Projects are funded before they are begun in order to prevent them from shortfall or defecit-spending in Florida. That is why County and State Government here are never in the red.

*The Miami Arena was paid off when it was sold. So its bed tax money is being set aside for this Ballpark and the Orange Bowl renovations amongst other projects. The AmericanAirlines Arena was financed by the HEAT Group (Heat owner & Carnival CEO Micky Arison got financing) and Dade County is paying off that loan for CapEx/land expenses that they had to cover....consider it a reverse Dolphins Stadium situation.

So over the top in your defense, aren't you? And the AA Arena was financed by a joint partnership between the Heat and county. The county is paying for both land expenses and a share of the arena.

 

The details are simple economics. No loans will be given to you unless you meet the qualifications of the lender. With no history of making money, no assets of large value, no credit as a company, and when seeking such a large amount to borrow....it is near impossible unless the bank just throws its book out the window. It is very difficult a bank would do that unless MLB or a local government were to "co-sign" the loan. That can be done in South Florida.

 

And it can be done in Bexar, but apparently since the first offer wasn't up to you dreams of what Hiialeah and Dade can offer, therefore Bexar's offer is dead and never to be resurrected.

well i was directing that specifically at the only one to make that stupid remark...

 

pierremvp1

 

Well then you're a moron too Tex. It was a joke, not a stupid remark or a dig at San Antonio. For those feeble minded, or just touchy...allow me to make a joke about South Florida. If they proposed a ballpark on the water, one could joke that there may not be foot traffic, but there could be float traffic, from the Cuban rafters.

 

cop out.

 

and a stupid, stupid joke at that.

 

If I cant make jokes that some on here would take as offensive, then neither can you.

 

Just admit it was in poor taste and thats it. Yet you want to go around calling people morons. Wise.

I never said that you or anyone else couldn't make a joke.

Jokes by their nature can offend some.

Some think they're funny....some don't.

But they're just jokes.

I will apologize for calling you a moron.

I don't think you're a moron.

You just may be a little too touchy about the subject of illegals.

I agree with you that it's an area of concern equally for South Florida and Texas.

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Hopefully we've dispensed with that....now...you know the area, I don't. Is there a downtown and/or urban area that you think is desirable and availble in San Antonio. And seriously, is there a downtown urban area in San Antonio.My niece, who went to Trinity, has talked about a nice area by the river.