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I guess I agree, I mean the MVP really means nothing unless you win a championship that same year. Chauncey should be higher up though, he really carries the Pistons, he's an incredible player. I liked his reasons on Kobe also, people will talking about his 2006 season for years to come.

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MVP has nothing to do with winning or losing. It is the best player that year. Not the best player on the best team.

 

 

Hence why in baseball Ernie Banks used to win it often, Hence why Arod won it. Hence why alot of folks won it.

 

 

I really hate the "his team is the best record" or last years "arod or ortiz whomever wins the AL east"

 

BS

 

it should be the best player that year straight out.

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MVP has nothing to do with winning or losing. It is the best player that year. Not the best player on the best team.

 

 

Hence why in baseball Ernie Banks used to win it often, Hence why Arod won it. Hence why alot of folks won it.

 

 

I really hate the "his team is the best record" or last years "arod or ortiz whomever wins the AL east"

 

BS

 

it should be the best player that year straight out.

 

 

so Kobe wins it.

 

that was easy.

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Lebron has better offensive numbers than Kobe and he has more wins. Simmons says Kobe wins on defense. I don't watch nearly enough Lakers and Cavs games to have any opinion on that. However, the simplest numbers I could find on 82games.com indicate that King James is making a more significant defensive contribution than Kobe.

 

Per 100 possessions, Cavs opponents score 3 more points when Bron is on the court versus when he is off. Lakers opponents score 8 more points when Kobe is on versus when he is off.

 

NOTE: Using the same 100 posessions arguement, Kobe's offense is actually slightly better than Bron's. But Bron wins out overall by a significant margin.

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MVP has nothing to do with winning or losing. It is the best player that year. Not the best player on the best team.

 

 

Hence why in baseball Ernie Banks used to win it often, Hence why Arod won it. Hence why alot of folks won it.

 

 

I really hate the "his team is the best record" or last years "arod or ortiz whomever wins the AL east"

 

BS

 

it should be the best player that year straight out.

 

 

so Kobe wins it.

 

that was easy.

 

I didnt argue against that or for that honestly. I just get tired of best player on the best team talk you know?

 

I would have to look at the stats

 

Shooting percentage

Percentage of the points for that team

What is around the player

Defense (never looked at as Nash doesnt play defense, where kobe is 1st team, wade 2nd team etc)

etc. etc. etc.

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MVP has nothing to do with winning or losing. It is the best player that year. Not the best player on the best team.

 

 

Hence why in baseball Ernie Banks used to win it often, Hence why Arod won it. Hence why alot of folks won it.

 

 

I really hate the "his team is the best record" or last years "arod or ortiz whomever wins the AL east"

 

BS

 

it should be the best player that year straight out.

 

 

so Kobe wins it.

 

that was easy.

 

I didnt argue against that or for that honestly. I just get tired of best player on the best team talk you know?

 

I would have to look at the stats

 

Shooting percentage

Percentage of the points for that team

What is around the player

Defense (never looked at as Nash doesnt play defense, where kobe is 1st team, wade 2nd team etc)

etc. etc. etc.

 

 

 

look up whatever stat you want to, and i'm sure there will be a number of people with stats showing where wade is better.

 

 

 

Kobe has had the best year in the league.

 

 

And if you are just going by that alone, its not even a close race.

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MVP has nothing to do with winning or losing. It is the best player that year. Not the best player on the best team.

 

 

Hence why in baseball Ernie Banks used to win it often, Hence why Arod won it. Hence why alot of folks won it.

 

 

I really hate the "his team is the best record" or last years "arod or ortiz whomever wins the AL east"

 

BS

 

it should be the best player that year straight out.

 

 

so Kobe wins it.

 

that was easy.

 

I didnt argue against that or for that honestly. I just get tired of best player on the best team talk you know?

 

I would have to look at the stats

 

Shooting percentage

Percentage of the points for that team

What is around the player

Defense (never looked at as Nash doesnt play defense, where kobe is 1st team, wade 2nd team etc)

etc. etc. etc.

 

I don't think there's a definition of MVP. It's sort of open to interpretation. Yours is a fine one, but I don't have a problem with people equating value with impact. Who cares how good you are if your team sucks and your performance essentially occurs in a vacuum? Where is the value in that?

 

My own outlook on the award is that there should be a balance between "best player" and "best player on best team". If someone does something completely ridiculous on a bad team, you have to honor that. But if there are no clear standouts, you have to start looking at how the player impacted his team and the league. There are good arguements for both Kobe and Lebron, and a bunch of other guys, under either standard. There's really no way to statistically prove that someone is MVP this year, so you'll get a lot of different opinions. I'm on the Lebron bandwagon.

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I think you need to change the name then from MVP to something else because MVP to me means most valuable player to his team's success or lack thereof....The person whose absence causes his team the most problems.

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Just got finished reading that. Always enjoy Bill Simmons stuff. I also agree with his logic in determining the MVP. Very clever. I def agree with Chauncey being @ 8 on that list seeing as if you took him out of the starting 5 and replaced him with anyone that team would still be a top 3 team in the East. While I hate to admit it and hate him as a person, Kobe def has MVP honors as of right now.

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it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Allen Iverson

 

 

exactly and i fixed your statement for you

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it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Nowitski

 

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be Kobe

 

Fixed that for you

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Allen Iverson

 

 

exactly and i fixed your statement for you

 

going by any of your points, why even bother having a season?.... just give it to one of them before the season starts

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it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Nowitski

 

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be Kobe

 

Fixed that for you

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Allen Iverson

 

 

exactly and i fixed your statement for you

 

going by any of your points, why even bother having a season?.... just give it to one of them before the season starts

In my book, you have to make the playoffs to be the MVP, so AI can't be the MVP.

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it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Nowitski

 

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be Kobe

 

Fixed that for you

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Allen Iverson

 

 

exactly and i fixed your statement for you

 

going by any of your points, why even bother having a season?.... just give it to one of them before the season starts

In my book, you have to make the playoffs to be the MVP, so AI can't be the MVP.

 

Then you have to amend your definition because Valuable to me can be a guy on a 30 win team who would win 10 without the guy or a 60 win game winning 35 because of a guy...

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it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Nowitski

 

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be Kobe

 

Fixed that for you

 

 

 

it should this: you take any of those players away from their respective team, which team would be hurting the most? By that criteria, it has to be either Nash or Allen Iverson

 

 

exactly and i fixed your statement for you

 

going by any of your points, why even bother having a season?.... just give it to one of them before the season starts

In my book, you have to make the playoffs to be the MVP, so AI can't be the MVP.

 

Then you have to amend your definition because Valuable to me can be a guy on a 30 win team who would win 10 without the guy or a 60 win game winning 35 because of a guy...

Missed the playoffs with him, miss them without him.

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