The difference is Barry brings it on himself, Aaron just happened to be born black at a time where it wasn't good to be that color. It's not like people are just hating on Bonds for being black or being in the Home Run race. They hate him because he is a jackass pure and simple. He brings it on himself. Don't even compare him to Aaron. He's no martyr.

Try to walk a mile in Barry's shoes. I can guarentee you can't even fathom the daily stress he has to endure.

 

 

Bond's has had no where near the emotional stress that Roger Maris and Hank Aaron himself had to endure. Both of them got very serious death threats, Aaron from the racist deep south and Maris by fans who thought that a corn-fed kid from one of the Dakotas(or wherever he was from in the great plains) who just came over from Kansas City didn't deserve to talk about Babe's record, let alone break it. Their lives were on the line each and every single game.

 

As for my grandchildren, if I ever mention Bonds, I'll bring it up in a way that discourages being anything like him. Tell them about how worthless of a human being he is, one that is completely without morals, and how he had to cheat to get to a true level of greatness.

 

As for greatest player of the game, in the 90's Bonds was no better than Griffey, and would actually be worse if not for his inhuman and totally un-explainable* jump in the late 90s.

 

Bonds 90's stats

1434 G, 4894 AB, 1478 H, .302 BA, 361 HR(1 HR/4 AB), 747 K(1 K/6 AB), 343 SB, 94 CS(78% success rate)

 

 

Griffey Jr 90's stats

1408 G, 5377 AB, 1622 H, .302, 382 HR(1 HR/4 AB), 901 K(1 K/6 AB), 151 SB, 60 CS(72 % success rate)

 

*Only un-explainable if you are entirely naieve and believe Bonds didnt really do steroids

 

 

A) Bond's has not even been accused of taking steroids until what, '99? So stop making excuses.

 

B) Statistics say there were not even really that close. No need to post it a 2nd time, so take a look and see the difference. '90s Comparison.

 

 

 

Why hate the best player in the history of baseball? Enjoy him, he's the kind of guy we'll be telling our grandkids about.

 

 

LMAO.

 

He is not the best baseball player ever.

 

He is yet to out-homer most of the teams and change the game like Ruth did.

 

He turned the intentional walk into an accepted strategy and not an irregularity.

 

He turned the extreme over-shift into a part of the game.

 

If anything, Ruth outhomering teams speaks volumes of the lack of league wide talent and tarnishes his stature as a case can be made that he accomplished all he did against clearly inferior talent.

 

A very true statement. Ruth played in a league without minorities. During this time, many people feel that more of the overall superior was in the Negro Leagues. Ruth never played with or against any of them. Ruth also never played with anyone from the hispanic community.

 

People can say what they want about Bond's juicing. However, he still was significantly better than any other "juicer", even though he has never been convicted or proven to have done it. Additionally, nobody has mentioned how many pitchers he has batted against have juiced. Things can be percieved and manipulated a number of ways.

I'm gonna tell it like it is...Bonds was a great hitter who may or may not have done drugs when there were no rules against it. I WILL tell him about Sosa and McGwire who baseball worshipped during the HR race despite the fact they found drugs in McGwire's locker....

 

I WILL tell them about a man who lied in congress and did drugs anyway in Rafael Palmeiro.

 

ps....Bonds is goin through a damn lot and it's been said on ESPN that he's had death threats as well there Spike and I don't think anyone has ever thrown things on the field at Aaron like they are at Barry.

 

 

Wow, one guy threw a jar at Barry and another threw a syringe without a needle. That's life in peril stuff right there.

 

And also:

Racism and the record

 

The chase to beat the Babe heated up in the summer of 1973 and with it the mail. Aaron needed a secretary to sort it as he received more than an estimated 3,000 letters a day, more than any American outside of politics. Unfortunately, racists initially did much of the writing. A sampling:

 

"Dear N----r Henry,

You are (not) going to break this record established by the great Babe Ruth if I can help it. ...

Whites are far more superior than jungle bunnies. My gun is watching your every black move."

 

"Dear Henry Aaron,

How about some sickle cell anemia, Hank?"

 

The letters came from every state, but most were postmarked in northern cities. They were filled with hate; more hate than Aaron had ever imagined. "This," Aaron said later about the letters, "changed me."

 

Aaron hit his 700th home run off of the Phillies' Ken Brett. The 1973 season ended with Aaron at 713 homers after hitting a remarkable 40 in just 392 at-bats. He was 39. The Braves became the first team to have three players hit 40 or more homers in a season. Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson also reached the 40-homer mark.

 

Over the winter, Aaron endured death threats and a barrage of racist hate mail from people who did not want to see a black man break Ruth's home run record. Lewis Grizzard, then sports editor the Atlanta Journal became so concerned that he had an obituary written just in case. However, when the harassment became widely known, the ballplayer enjoyed a massive flood of public support motivated at least partially to counter the bigotry. This included Babe Ruth's widow who denounced the racists and declared that her husband would have enthusiastically cheered Aaron's attempt at the record.

 

 

 

 

Bonds has endured nothing compared to Aaron.

Dude, what world are you living in?

 

Are you that nieve to think Bonds does not get the same type of hatemail?

 

He has said on multiple occasions that he gets numerous letters to the extent of "die n****r......im going to kill your n****r ass", etc....on a daily basis.

 

Do you think Aaron was the only one who got those letters?

No, but I also think Bond's is exaggerating to add to the "poor Barry" stigma. He's a cheater, he needs to deal with the consequences.

 

From my experience, people dont want Barry to die. They just want him to walk away from the game. If he'd just retire, like he should to bring dignity back to the game, people wouldn't care about him anymore.

 

Comparing what Barry is going through to what Aaron went through makes you look like nothing more than a blind Bonds apologist, because as you said(and were wrong...Griffey was comparible or quite possibly better in the 90's)...what world are you living in? Because It's not even close.

Dude, what world are you living in?

 

Are you that nieve to think Bonds does not get the same type of hatemail?

 

He has said on multiple occasions that he gets numerous letters to the extent of "die n****r......im going to kill your n****r ass", etc....on a daily basis.

 

Do you think Aaron was the only one who got those letters?

 

Link?

 

He read into some on Bonds on Bonds. He then compared it to Aaron's and said they come in bunches on a daily basis.

 

No, but I also think Bond's is exaggerating to add to the "poor Barry" stigma. He's a cheater, he needs to deal with the consequences.

 

From my experience, people dont want Barry to die. They just want him to walk away from the game. If he'd just retire, like he should to bring dignity back to the game, people wouldn't care about him anymore.

 

Comparing what Barry is going through to what Aaron went through makes you look like nothing more than a blind Bonds apologist, because as you said(and were wrong...Griffey was comparible or quite possibly better in the 90's)...what world are you living in? Because It's not even close.

 

 

 

Sorry Spike, statistics say otherwise.

 

I guess I'll stop with you, I forgot who I was debating with. Your new name threw me off.

No, but I also think Bond's is exaggerating to add to the "poor Barry" stigma. He's a cheater, he needs to deal with the consequences.

 

From my experience, people dont want Barry to die. They just want him to walk away from the game. If he'd just retire, like he should to bring dignity back to the game, people wouldn't care about him anymore.

 

Comparing what Barry is going through to what Aaron went through makes you look like nothing more than a blind Bonds apologist, because as you said(and were wrong...Griffey was comparible or quite possibly better in the 90's)...what world are you living in? Because It's not even close.

 

 

From your experience??? What talking to your bar buddies??? Your the same guy whose said some despicable things about Bonds so your credibility in this argument is gone. You hav a personal vendetta against him. If he walked away, people would still talk about him. don't be naive.

No, but I also think Bond's is exaggerating to add to the "poor Barry" stigma. He's a cheater, he needs to deal with the consequences.

 

From my experience, people dont want Barry to die. They just want him to walk away from the game. If he'd just retire, like he should to bring dignity back to the game, people wouldn't care about him anymore.

 

Comparing what Barry is going through to what Aaron went through makes you look like nothing more than a blind Bonds apologist, because as you said(and were wrong...Griffey was comparible or quite possibly better in the 90's)...what world are you living in? Because It's not even close.

 

 

From your experience??? What talking to your bar buddies??? Your the same guy whose said some despicable things about Bonds so your credibility in this argument is gone. You hav a personal vendetta against him. If he walked away, people would still talk about him. don't be naive.

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No, but I also think Bond's is exaggerating to add to the "poor Barry" stigma. He's a cheater, he needs to deal with the consequences.

 

From my experience, people dont want Barry to die. They just want him to walk away from the game. If he'd just retire, like he should to bring dignity back to the game, people wouldn't care about him anymore.

 

Comparing what Barry is going through to what Aaron went through makes you look like nothing more than a blind Bonds apologist, because as you said(and were wrong...Griffey was comparible or quite possibly better in the 90's)...what world are you living in? Because It's not even close.

 

 

From your experience??? What talking to your bar buddies??? Your the same guy whose said some despicable things about Bonds so your credibility in this argument is gone. You hav a personal vendetta against him. If he walked away, people would still talk about him. don't be naive.

 

Well that should tell you something. Me and others(some not even buddys, just people I've spoken with who I didn't know short of "hey nice to meet ya")who truly do have issues with Bonds, and probably dislike him more than anyone, yet still dont want him to die.

 

Back in Aaron's day, the difference was people that had as much disdain for Aaron as I do for Bonds did want Aaron to die.

 

You, FishFanInPa, and TheFan, are not taking into account that in the last 30+ years...society has evolved. Why dont you guys get with it and jump on the 21st century bandwagon.

I'm not a Bonds fan. But why should he retire? If you believe he is on roids and he set the all time record or pass Ruth, you as a fan of the game should be smart enough to shrug it off and put it in the context of the current era. Is not like other players aren't juicing.

 

regardless, Bonds is the best player I've ever seen. With that said, I think he has done more harm to the game than good.

Why hate the best player in the history of baseball? Enjoy him, he's the kind of guy we'll be telling our grandkids about.

 

i'd be ashamed to tell my grandkids about him. bonds is not the best player ever.

 

1. Ruth

2. Gehrig

3. Teddy williams

4. bonds

5. mantle

 

P.S. i may be biased with putting mantle at #5 ....i'm a big fan of his.

No, but I also think Bond's is exaggerating to add to the "poor Barry" stigma. He's a cheater, he needs to deal with the consequences.

 

From my experience, people dont want Barry to die. They just want him to walk away from the game. If he'd just retire, like he should to bring dignity back to the game, people wouldn't care about him anymore.

 

Comparing what Barry is going through to what Aaron went through makes you look like nothing more than a blind Bonds apologist, because as you said(and were wrong...Griffey was comparible or quite possibly better in the 90's)...what world are you living in? Because It's not even close.

 

barry just wants the attention..

Hate em...Go Away Bonds!...Far Away!!