rally2247 Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 The new setup man is Chad Fox and our new closer is Urbina. Looper can be a mid-reliever or something. Or he could also be our new waterboy! :banghead :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 where were you when Loop was on fire? where were you when Loop bailed out Vlad Nunez vs the A's big time? come on man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinky blink Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 chad fox blew phillies game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJBurnett34 Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Yep Fox= Set up man ( If he fails, Bump should get it) Urbina= Good Quality Closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 everyone blows games you idiots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack1 Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Yup, everybody is going to have a bad game once in a while. It's just the law of averages...even Jack McKeon. I've been pretty hard on him but I still don't think he knows how to use his pitchers...and he's got some pretty damn good ones too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 everyone blows games you idiots True. But why blow the two biggest game of your career? He just didn't blow the games, he got pummeled the last two outings. Looper is part of the Marlins success on 2003, but just because he was good earlier in the season you can't just put the team fate on someone who is not getting the job done. If I was Jack, I would bring Uggy for 1 or 2 run lead situations and get Looper to close 3+ run leads situations. If Loopers gets his groove back, then let him take the role again. He lacks the confidence at this time, putting him to close another close game may kill him for the rest of the season. Look at the body language from Uggy when he gives up a run or a hit. "It's OK, next!". I think Uggy has the right attitude to close games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 One thing's for sure: McKeon's got some decisions to make, the next time the 9th inning comes around & the Marlins are up by 1... I have a feeling he'll stick with Looper, but they're certainly not making it easy for him. The Braves are the best team in the NL and this was a combined failure of both Urbina and Looper. I don't care if it was Sheffield that hit the homer, his count the same as everyone else's. I'm not absolving Looper, he sucked the big one tonight. Just saying I think Jack will stay with him. Another blown save might cost him the job, unfortunately one more blown save could also cost them a playoff spot. I'm liking what I've seen from Helling. Throwing strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrizzle Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 I'm liking what I've seen from Helling. Throwing strikes. My idea is that Loop should have an emergency back-up guy saved up the next save opportunity he goes in for. I thought Helling was the man for the job. Worse case, Fox bails him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayBaby84 Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 I agree with Ramp. I really liked Looper when he was hot. bailed us out of a few big ones, but now that its do or die I think we should give him a rest till he's confident closing again. maybe the pressure is getting to him and there is a lot to be nervous about. I won't forget what he's done for us though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Phenom Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 everyone blows games you idiots sorry to say this but not Gagne , he 51 for 51 :thumbup and 54 for 54 dating back to last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 sorry to say this but not Gagne , he 51 for 51 :thumbup and 54 for 54 dating back to last season yea but is he perfect in his career? no. thanks anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugg Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Let's see, we're up by a half game in the Wild Card...I know, let's change everything NOW! Come on! Loop got us here, I refuse to abandon ship because of two bad outings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGonzalez11 Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 yea but is he perfect in his career? no. thanks anyway I don't think anyone was actually implying there was sucha thing thing as a perfect closer. Gagne has been as close as anyone can possibly get to being perfect and if you're trying to argue that you're the only idiot here. Every reliever will blow some games, but Looper has blown back to back huge games and that IS NOT ACCEPTABLE when you're in a race like we are in right now. Urbina has been lights out for the most part as a Marlin. Did he give up a few runs up tonight? Sure, but he didn't beat himself with bad control like Looper has been, a good player beat a good pitch, and theres nothing anyone can do about that. Looper's lost all his confidence and if you're still willing to stick with him because he bailed Vladimir Nunez out of a game three months ago, you should be the last person pointing the finger when talking about idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Chad Fox has been okay but Helling has been excellent. He had those 4 shutout innings, on Friday the 12th, and didn't pitch again til last night! Fox, and Helling, with his .71 ERA, should share setup roles, for Uggy. Looper can get his confidence back when we take a big lead on Atlanta today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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