This graphic pretty much explains why MLB is fighting as hard as it is to build a stadium downtown and not out in the middle of nowhere in Pompano and to a lesser extent Hialeah.

 

Link

 

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

It seems like some here do not realize exactly what is going on downtown and where downtown will be in a few years.

I'm not here to debate with you the merit of downtown (since afterall, all other things equal it makes the most sense) but please don't tell me that you believe a luxury hotel, a plethora of luxury apartment buildings aimed at seasonal tenancy and one or two office buildings are what MLB's aiming for.

 

I could just as easily have shown you the map for CityPlace in West Palm a decade ago and said that's where MLB should stick a stadium.

 

Afterall, last I checked, the population in Florida was moving north and away from the coast as insurance prices became prohibitive. A few new buildings on the coast don't change this. Miami is Miami and will remain Miami. It's the major metropolitan area in South Florida.

 

However, this still doesn't change the "all other things equal" stance of my debate.

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

I agree.

This graphic pretty much explains why MLB is fighting as hard as it is to build a stadium downtown and not out in the middle of nowhere in Pompano and to a lesser extent Hialeah.

 

Link

 

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

It seems like some here do not realize exactly what is going on downtown and where downtown will be in a few years.

 

 

The explosion in construction is happening everywhere in South Florida, not just downtown Miami.

This graphic pretty much explains why MLB is fighting as hard as it is to build a stadium downtown and not out in the middle of nowhere in Pompano and to a lesser extent Hialeah.

 

Link

 

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

It seems like some here do not realize exactly what is going on downtown and where downtown will be in a few years.

 

 

The explosion in construction is happening everywhere in South Florida, not just downtown Miami.

 

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I'm not here to debate with you the merit of downtown (since afterall, all other things equal it makes the most sense) but please don't tell me that you believe a luxury hotel, a plethora of luxury apartment buildings aimed at seasonal tenancy and one or two office buildings are what MLB's aiming for.

 

I could just as easily have shown you the map for CityPlace in West Palm a decade ago and said that's where MLB should stick a stadium.

 

Afterall, last I checked, the population in Florida was moving north and away from the coast as insurance prices became prohibitive. A few new buildings on the coast don't change this. Miami is Miami and will remain Miami. It's the major metropolitan area in South Florida.

 

However, this still doesn't change the "all other things equal" stance of my debate.

 

 

MLB is aiming for all the money and people that all these buildings and resulting developments will bring in.

 

One or two office buildings and a few luxury hotels?

 

Try 100 new buildings and 28,000 new residences in just the next few years.

 

- 2002-2006: built and under contruction, 16,000 housing units, 2.6 million sq. feet in office space and 1.3 million sq. feet in retail.

-Planned: 10,000 more housing units, 1 million square feet of office space and 500,000 square feet in retail space

-As of this year nearly 100,000 residents in a 2 mile radius of the downtown area, 10,000 businesses, 110,000 daily workers, 20,000 students, 10 million visitors a year whom 51% make $75,000 or more and 3 million visitors anually from the cruise ship vendors, in that 2 mile radius alone.

 

http://www.miamidda.com/index.html

 

CityPlace or any other area in the state can't sniff downtown Miami's development jock.

 

Everywhere in South Fla is nothing compared to what's going on downtown.

This graphic pretty much explains why MLB is fighting as hard as it is to build a stadium downtown and not out in the middle of nowhere in Pompano and to a lesser extent Hialeah.

 

Link

 

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

It seems like some here do not realize exactly what is going on downtown and where downtown will be in a few years.

 

 

The explosion in construction is happening everywhere in South Florida, not just downtown Miami.

 

Exactly.

 

Pompano certainly is not the middle of nowhere. It's actually in the middle of everything. haha

I'm not here to debate with you the merit of downtown (since afterall, all other things equal it makes the most sense) but please don't tell me that you believe a luxury hotel, a plethora of luxury apartment buildings aimed at seasonal tenancy and one or two office buildings are what MLB's aiming for.

 

I could just as easily have shown you the map for CityPlace in West Palm a decade ago and said that's where MLB should stick a stadium.

 

Afterall, last I checked, the population in Florida was moving north and away from the coast as insurance prices became prohibitive. A few new buildings on the coast don't change this. Miami is Miami and will remain Miami. It's the major metropolitan area in South Florida.

 

However, this still doesn't change the "all other things equal" stance of my debate.

 

 

MLB is aiming for all the money and people that all these buildings and resulting developments will bring in.

 

One or two office buildings and a few luxury hotels?

 

Try 100 new buildings and 28,000 new residences in just the next few years.

 

- 2002-2006: built and under contruction, 16,000 housing units, 2.6 million sq. feet in office space and 1.3 million sq. feet in retail.

-Planned: 10,000 more housing units, 1 million square feet of office space and 500,000 square feet in retail space

-As of this year nearly 100,000 residents in a 2 mile radius of the downtown area, 10,000 businesses, 110,000 daily workers, 20,000 students, 10 million visitors a year whom 51% make $75,000 or more and 3 million visitors anually from the cruise ship vendors, in that 2 mile radius alone.

 

http://www.miamidda.com/index.html

 

CityPlace or any other area in the state can't sniff downtown Miami's development jock.

 

Everywhere in South Fla is nothing compared to what's going on downtown.

 

Seems like you're just reenforcing my claim of "a plethora of luxury apartment buildings" aimed at seasonal residence.

 

Workers students and visitors aren't the bread and butter of a franchise's base.

This graphic pretty much explains why MLB is fighting as hard as it is to build a stadium downtown and not out in the middle of nowhere in Pompano and to a lesser extent Hialeah.

 

Link

 

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

It seems like some here do not realize exactly what is going on downtown and where downtown will be in a few years.

 

 

The explosion in construction is happening everywhere in South Florida, not just downtown Miami.

 

Exactly.

 

Pompano certainly is not the middle of nowhere. It's actually in the middle of everything. haha

 

Your definition of the "middle of everything" is deeply flawed as this post proves:

 

http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...t&p=1308655

 

Your "middle of everything" cuts off a large part of the most populous county in South Fla area.

 

MLB's definition of "middle of everything" is not geographic but corporate and financial. Can anyone find another part of the South Fla area where this amount of people live, work and study in a 2 mile radius?

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not here to debate with you the merit of downtown (since afterall, all other things equal it makes the most sense) but please don't tell me that you believe a luxury hotel, a plethora of luxury apartment buildings aimed at seasonal tenancy and one or two office buildings are what MLB's aiming for.

 

I could just as easily have shown you the map for CityPlace in West Palm a decade ago and said that's where MLB should stick a stadium.

 

Afterall, last I checked, the population in Florida was moving north and away from the coast as insurance prices became prohibitive. A few new buildings on the coast don't change this. Miami is Miami and will remain Miami. It's the major metropolitan area in South Florida.

 

However, this still doesn't change the "all other things equal" stance of my debate.

 

 

MLB is aiming for all the money and people that all these buildings and resulting developments will bring in.

 

One or two office buildings and a few luxury hotels?

 

Try 100 new buildings and 28,000 new residences in just the next few years.

 

- 2002-2006: built and under contruction, 16,000 housing units, 2.6 million sq. feet in office space and 1.3 million sq. feet in retail.

-Planned: 10,000 more housing units, 1 million square feet of office space and 500,000 square feet in retail space

-As of this year nearly 100,000 residents in a 2 mile radius of the downtown area, 10,000 businesses, 110,000 daily workers, 20,000 students, 10 million visitors a year whom 51% make $75,000 or more and 3 million visitors anually from the cruise ship vendors, in that 2 mile radius alone.

 

http://www.miamidda.com/index.html

 

CityPlace or any other area in the state can't sniff downtown Miami's development jock.

 

Everywhere in South Fla is nothing compared to what's going on downtown.

 

Seems like you're just reenforcing my claim of "a plethora of luxury apartment buildings" aimed at seasonal residence.

 

Workers students and visitors aren't the bread and butter of a franchise's base.

 

Actually workers just getting off work is the argument for building a stadium downtown. These aren't factory workers or low income workers, these are high paid lawyers and people who work in corporate offices.

This graphic pretty much explains why MLB is fighting as hard as it is to build a stadium downtown and not out in the middle of nowhere in Pompano and to a lesser extent Hialeah.

 

Link

 

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

It seems like some here do not realize exactly what is going on downtown and where downtown will be in a few years.

 

 

The explosion in construction is happening everywhere in South Florida, not just downtown Miami.

 

Exactly.

 

Pompano certainly is not the middle of nowhere. It's actually in the middle of everything. haha

When people say middle of everything, they mean close to nothing.

This is not a position on the best place to put the stadium, but while there is construction going on everywhere, what is going on in and around downtown, down Brickell, west on Flagler seems to dwarf what is going on elsewhere. It is building after building and the majority is high density residential property. Frankly, I do not know where all the buyers will come from, especially if the buildings have been financed with bulk purchases by development speculators, but there will be a tremendous volume of units.

This graphic pretty much explains why MLB is fighting as hard as it is to build a stadium downtown and not out in the middle of nowhere in Pompano and to a lesser extent Hialeah.

 

Link

 

The explosion in construction downtown only adds to the necessity of having a stadium built downtown.

 

It seems like some here do not realize exactly what is going on downtown and where downtown will be in a few years.

 

I am guilty of not being up to date on the downtown developments after spend 12 yrs in Miami to which the only reason to go Downtown would be to go to Bayside or go to the Arena...or the license beaure. Other than the homeless there wasn't anyone Downtown after 6:00pm except for a brave few that would go to the theater...I am glad things are changing...but I still prefer Hialeah.