Does that mean Hunter Pence could be made available now? Or maybe Chris Burke? Or that other guy (Taveras... boo)

I think the chances they trade Pence is 1000/1. If they do, I think it'll take one of JJ/Olsen/Anibal to get it done, if not more.

 

I think they're set with Tavares, just because their outfield defensively is so weak now (see: Jason Lane, Carlos Lee) that they almost need him in center for stability.

 

I see them moving Burke or Lane, but to be honest I don't think either are what we're after, especially in center anyway.

Fun Fact of the Day:

 

Hunter Pence has as many DUI's in 2006 as Willy Taveras had Homeruns last season (1)

I think the chances they trade Pence is 1000/1. If they do, I think it'll take one of JJ/Olsen/Anibal to get it done, if not more.

 

I think they're set with Tavares, just because their outfield defensively is so weak now (see: Jason Lane, Carlos Lee) that they almost need him in center for stability.

 

I see them moving Burke or Lane, but to be honest I don't think either are what we're after, especially in center anyway.

I'd love to get Chris Burke

Hunter Pence is very nice.

 

He was kicked out of the AFL, and keeps having problems. I doubt that changes his value very much though

Burke would be decent, but I'd think they'd move Willy before Burke, GUT feeling.

jason lane isnt a starter in the astro outfield these days.

 

 

that would now be lee, tavares, scott; left to right.

 

 

 

the decision on burke will stem largely on if they feel he is the man for 2008 when Biggio is retired.

 

 

They need to trade Lane, but he has zero trade value right now really. They also need to upgrade at third, though its gonna be an odd year so Ensberg will probably go wild. Lane or Pence probably need to be moved at least.

I think the chances they trade Pence is 1000/1. If they do, I think it'll take one of JJ/Olsen/Anibal to get it done, if not more.

 

I think they're set with Tavares, just because their outfield defensively is so weak now (see: Jason Lane, Carlos Lee) that they almost need him in center for stability.

 

I see them moving Burke or Lane, but to be honest I don't think either are what we're after, especially in center anyway.

I'd love to get Chris Burke

I'm kind of scared from his RHP/LHP (.738/.839) and Home/Away (.820/.722) splits. But he's by far, a better player to look at then Willy Taveras. I kind of feel they have him penciled for 2B next year, but I wouldn't mind him as long as we didn't dish top pitching.

It really comes down to where they wind with Clemens and Pettitte and at what price. If one or both don't come back, what good was Lee and the rest of the signings if they can't find a quality starter or starters to replace him/them?

If they both want to come back, especially Roger, it may break the bank. The scenarios are endless. I think I read somewhere that the 'Stros payroll was supposed to be around $90 million, has already grown to over $100,000,000 and could go above $110 million before all is said and done with the gold dust twins.

 

If you're the Astros trying to balance the books and the Marlins can provide a $350,000 starting pitcher who can give them 12-14 wins vs having to pay Clemens $12 million for half that number, in this white hot market, the Fish can have whatever they want, even without reason. If the Astros either lose their guys to free agency, retirement or are forced to pick between the two, any of the Marlins starting pitchers are worth a king's ransom.

 

For the Marlins the question is do they wait another year or not? Do they enable the Astros to become perpetual contenders? Are the Fish better off waiting until the time is right based on what's right for them?

 

Any way you cut it, the Marlins are in the driver's seat (if they want to be) in any trade involving starting pitching with the Astros.

It really comes down to where they wind with Clemens and Pettitte and at what price. If one or both don't come back, what good was Lee and the rest of the signings if they can't find a quality starter or starters to replace him/them?

If they both want to come back, especially Roger, it may break the bank. The scenarios are endless. I think I read somewhere that the 'Stros payroll was supposed to be around $90 million, has already grown to over $100,000,000 and could go above $110 million before all is said and done with the gold dust twins.

 

If you're the Astros trying to balance the books and the Marlins can provide a $350,000 starting pitcher who can give them 12-14 wins vs having to pay Clemens $12 million for half that number, in this white hot market, the Fish can have whatever they want, even without reason. If the Astros either lose their guys to free agency, retirement or are forced to pick between the two, any of the Marlins starting pitchers are worth a king's ransom.

 

For the Marlins the question is do they wait another year or not? Do they enable the Astros to become perpetual contenders? Are the Fish better off waiting until the time is right based on what's right for them?

 

Any way you cut it, the Marlins are in the driver's seat (if they want to be) in any trade involving starting pitching with the Astros.

 

 

whatever roger makes though the astros make that and plenty more as a direct result of him on the roster.

 

 

pettitte you can argue for his salary and how it plays in the whole scheme of things. roger's salary though can almost be put in its own little world.

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

I dont think Andino has much worth right now, then again, they have Adam "no bat' Everett at SS anyway

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

I dont think Andino has much worth right now, then again, they have Adam "no bat' Everett at SS anyway

 

 

but everett is probably one of the top 3 shortstops with the glove in all of baseball.

 

 

if they can find doods that hit in other spots and if everett can hit like he did in 2003 and 2004 especially, then they are absolutely set.

 

 

i think last year was a slight aberration from him anyway with the bat, he isnt great, but he isnt that bad.

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

Absolutely not.

 

They'll need a pitcher, starter or reliever, they can use right now.

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

Absolutely not.

 

They'll need a pitcher, starter or reliever, they can use right now.

 

I'm not so sure. Besides Lee, the Astros also recently signed Woody Williams. And if Garcia continues his progression I could see him getting a shot next year. I have been impressed with his stuff when I have seen him pitch.

 

What players do you think we'd have to trade to get Burke in a Marlins uniform?

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

Absolutely not.

 

They'll need a pitcher, starter or reliever, they can use right now.

 

I'm not so sure. Besides Lee, the Astros also recently signed Woody Williams. And if Garcia continues his progression I could see him getting a shot next year. I have been impressed with his stuff when I have seen him pitch.

 

What players do you think we'd have to trade to get Burke in a Marlins uniform?

Considering the Lee and Woody deals, seems to me they want to contend right now. They'll need MLB ready pieces if they are going to trade a contributor like Burke. With what we can offer that's not outrageous, I'd see them interested in Nolasco and J. Garcia, with Andino as a throw in. Petit is to flyball oriented for them to bite on him with that ballpark.

 

I don't even know if they'd like those pitchers, but it's probably something to consider atleast. Burke can play even with those kind of scary splits I posted above. Really don't see Houston in a hurry to move him though. Biggio is really old.

I loathe speculation. Especially with this current FO. It's too hard to bear sometimes, because we have too much faith for some reason that we feel our hopes are attainable.

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

Absolutely not.

 

They'll need a pitcher, starter or reliever, they can use right now.

 

I'm not so sure. Besides Lee, the Astros also recently signed Woody Williams. And if Garcia continues his progression I could see him getting a shot next year. I have been impressed with his stuff when I have seen him pitch.

 

What players do you think we'd have to trade to get Burke in a Marlins uniform?

Considering the Lee and Woody deals, seems to me they want to contend right now. They'll need MLB ready pieces if they are going to trade a contributor like Burke. With what we can offer that's not outrageous, I'd see them interested in Nolasco and J. Garcia, with Andino as a throw in. Petit is to flyball oriented for them to bite on him with that ballpark.

 

I don't even know if they'd like those pitchers, but it's probably something to consider atleast. Burke can play even with those kind of scary splits I posted above. Really don't see Houston in a hurry to move him though. Biggio is really old.

 

If the Marlins included any prospect of Jose Garcia's caliber on top of Ricky Nolasco in a deal for Chris Burke I would be very disappointed (not to mention throwing in Andino). As far as availability, this is all hypothetical. But I could definitely see the Astros moving Burke with their current OF situation and the question of Burke being Biggio's heir at 2B not being an open and shut case.

They also need to upgrade at third, though its gonna be an odd year so Ensberg will probably go wild.

 

 

:lol

isnt the value on burke to teams more valuable as a 2B then a CF (to most teams). A hitting 2B has more value then a CF it seems most of the time. Now the Marlins have a good hitting, and defensive 2B.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7057

 

I do have questions of his range in our park and I think the price on him would be high because who knows when/if biggio is gone. Plus injuries for a player that old have to be considered. If I was the astros moving Burke seems foolish.

 

On the flip side of it, Pence I would love. But, I dont think his AA meeting requirements will lower his value too much. He is a major league ready top prospect that has the potential to become a 20 HR a year guy with a good arm.

 

He would be just as pricy as baldelli, more then upton or dukes most likely.

If Burke is put on the market, the Marlins need to make a play for him. He is one of the best probable "low cost" CF options out there for the Marlins.

 

Do you think Robert Andino + Harvey Garcia gets this deal done?

Absolutely not.

 

They'll need a pitcher, starter or reliever, they can use right now.

 

I'm not so sure. Besides Lee, the Astros also recently signed Woody Williams. And if Garcia continues his progression I could see him getting a shot next year. I have been impressed with his stuff when I have seen him pitch.

 

What players do you think we'd have to trade to get Burke in a Marlins uniform?

Considering the Lee and Woody deals, seems to me they want to contend right now. They'll need MLB ready pieces if they are going to trade a contributor like Burke. With what we can offer that's not outrageous, I'd see them interested in Nolasco and J. Garcia, with Andino as a throw in. Petit is to flyball oriented for them to bite on him with that ballpark.

 

I don't even know if they'd like those pitchers, but it's probably something to consider atleast. Burke can play even with those kind of scary splits I posted above. Really don't see Houston in a hurry to move him though. Biggio is really old.

 

If the Marlins included any prospect of Jose Garcia's caliber on top of Ricky Nolasco in a deal for Chris Burke I would be very disappointed (not to mention throwing in Andino). As far as availability, this is all hypothetical. But I could definitely see the Astros moving Burke with their current OF situation and the question of Burke being Biggio's heir at 2B not being an open and shut case.

 

unless the astros sign a second baseman next winter, burke is the heir apparant to Biggio. Phil Garner already loves what he has in Chris Burke anyway....