That's not the only thing grating around here.

 

He'll wind up with a number which represents what both sides agree is the highest number an arbitrator will approve. That is after all how this works. There's no fools on either side of these negotiations, it isn't about being cheap, both sides probably already have a number, they're most likely working on issues like compensation scheduling (as they did with Willis) and other ancilliary items.

 

some franchises lock up their franchise players early on to save costs long term.

 

we dont even know what we want to do long term or where we will be.

 

but it really doesnt matter, its not like this franchise doesnt get millions anyway as a result of all the national tv deals and reveune sharing.

 

 

we are a stupid franchise when it comes to finances.

 

 

we make some of those notorious tightwads look like free spenders.

 

:pctoss

Very nice they avoided arbitration again. A long term deal would be nice but as a Marlin's fan I have grown used to the one year deal's we toss around each year.

 

 

BTW the whole general attitude regarding our team on this board is grating.

That's not the only thing grating around here.

 

He'll wind up with a number which represents what both sides agree is the highest number an arbitrator will approve. That is after all how this works. There's no fools on either side of these negotiations, it isn't about being cheap, both sides probably already have a number, they're most likely working on issues like compensation scheduling (as they did with Willis) and other ancilliary items.

 

some franchises lock up their franchise players early on to save costs long term.

 

we dont even know what we want to do long term or where we will be.

 

but it really doesnt matter, its not like this franchise doesnt get millions anyway as a result of all the national tv deals and reveune sharing.

 

 

we are a stupid franchise when it comes to finances.

 

 

we make some of those notorious tightwads look like free spenders.

 

:pctoss

 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion no matter how provincial it is.

 

Perhaps you might want to consider there are bigger issues right now that involve the very existence of the franchise. From a PR standpoint that which they are trying to accomplish might be negatively impacted by doling out $50-100-200 million to one ballplayer while trying to finally garner state tax rebate funding to help pay for a new ballpark that would keep the team here for the next thirty+ years.

 

Keeping a low profile (as the Lerner's did in DC and the Marlins are doing now) while MLB is out front is absolutely the right thing to be doing and a big splashy signing only complicates things and sends the wrong message about the need for a state sales tax rebate.

 

Maybe I'll be proven wrong but my guess is if the Marlins are successful in Talahassee and once the shovel goes in the ground to signify construction has commenced, the first order of business will be to lock Miggy up long term. If I'm wrong you can call me on it then and I'll be the first to admit I was all wet.

 

In the mean time nothing is lost by continuing to do business as they always have. Cabrera is here for several years and the need to negotiate with him now is outweighed by everything else happening around the franchise.

That's not the only thing grating around here.

 

He'll wind up with a number which represents what both sides agree is the highest number an arbitrator will approve. That is after all how this works. There's no fools on either side of these negotiations, it isn't about being cheap, both sides probably already have a number, they're most likely working on issues like compensation scheduling (as they did with Willis) and other ancilliary items.

 

some franchises lock up their franchise players early on to save costs long term.

 

we dont even know what we want to do long term or where we will be.

 

but it really doesnt matter, its not like this franchise doesnt get millions anyway as a result of all the national tv deals and reveune sharing.

 

 

we are a stupid franchise when it comes to finances.

 

 

we make some of those notorious tightwads look like free spenders.

 

:pctoss

 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion no matter how provincial it is.

 

Perhaps you might want to consider there are bigger issues right now that involve the very existence of the franchise. From a PR standpoint that which they are trying to accomplish might be negatively impacted by doling out $50-100-200 million to one ballplayer while trying to finally garner state tax rebate funding to help pay for a new ballpark that would keep the team here for the next thirty+ years.

 

Keeping a low profile (as the Lerner's did in DC and the Marlins are doing now) while is MLB out front is absolutely the right thing to be doing and a big splashy signing only complicates things and sends the wrong message about the need for a state sales tax rebate.

 

Maybe I'll be proven wrong but my guess is if the Marlins are successful in Talahassee and once the shovel goes in the ground to signify construction has commenced, the first order of business will be to lock Miggy up long term. If I'm wrong you can call me on it then and I'll be the first to admit I was all wet.

 

In the mean time nothing is lost by continuing to do business as they always have. Cabrera is here for several years andthe need to negotiate with him now is outweighed by everything else happening around the franchise.

 

 

except money.

 

the bottom line is that we recieve millions of dollars which is supposed to be used for your baseball product. it has nothing to do with stadiums or any thing else.

 

if bud can find a way to force teams to put say 60% on the major league product instead of leaving it as a grey area which the tightwads dont put the money into their baseball product but into their pockets.

 

there is absolutely zero excuse for having a 20 million dollar payroll in this day and age in baseball.

 

zero.

I agree in principle to a salary floor, but the Marlins' situation mirrors that of its opponents' arguments. Salary floors place low revenue teams at a disadvantage that would force them to dedicate their relatively low resources towards investments that would bring less value to the team, thus damaging competitive balance and their potential for revenue creation. A salary floor that does not address the unique situation the Marlins and other clubs (Royals, Pirates, or a club in the future) face will merely intiate a spiral downward for these teams. The Marlins or any team shouldn't be coerced to sign a bunch of veteran relievers or centerfielder to ake the place of players who believe fit the team better. The goal is to win, not spend.

 

And not to let any one suggest that Beinfest and the Marlins don't care. They haven't signed anyone of note. They haven't improved the club. But that doesn't mean they aren't trying, and surely not that they don't care. This isn't kindergarten or Congress. People have rational reasons for the things they do. It's not about harming people. It's not about being mean. It's not because they don't care about your concerns. It's that they have concerns that they consider trump yours. Our first response to a disagreement should not to dehumanize our opponent.

 

Whenever a team and a player can avoid a nasty fight, that's always a good thing.

 

You think they would have mentioned anything about the arrest during his arby hearing?? lol!

Likely. Willis' actions in the community are the promotion of the Marlins' by extension of himself. If the positive is addressed, the nagative would also. In reports of past arbitration cases, a players' refusal to particpate in community functions have been brought up.

Well put, Ricky. I agree that a salary floor without a salary cap and/or true revenue sharing would (further) destroy competitive balance. I think that everyone who is ticked off about the lack of splashy signings should take a good, hard look at what happened last year. A team with the highest percentage of rookies EVER was damn close to .500. The last thing this team needs is a washed-up multi-millionaire who just plays for his next paycheck.

Qhey Kevin, Do you think the Dontrelle deal puts the Marlins back on his good side, or is he still pretty miffed at the organization and wants out as soon as he's a free agent?

AG 1/16/07

ANope. He wanted a multiyear deal. And when you look at what other pitchers have signed for, he's still well under market value even with the new deal. Barry Zito, for example, just signed the richest contract for a pitcher in history and he's just 55-46 since 2003 with a high of 16 wins. Willis is 58-39 over the same period with 22 wins in 2005.

Kevin Baxter 1/17/07

 

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sport...ll/qa_forum.htm

 

 

I could this interesting to consider. Is Willis mad at the organization? I wish we could of gotten him that multi-year deal.

Because we eventually want to trade him for a whole bounty of top ceiling prospects. Ill hate to lose him, but will be a fan of his wherever he pitches.