fanfish Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 AROUND THE HORN Lieber found Girardi to be big tipper By Chris Jenkins UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER February 25, 2007 Apparently, the old rules about fraternization in baseball are about as much in play anymore as the Marquess of Queensberry rules at the Ultimate Fighting Championships. However nice the story of Jon Lieber's turnaround last year ? the Phillies right-hander went from 4-8 with a 6.09 ERA on July 31 to 5-3, 3.38 in his final 11 starts ? purists have to wonder about the source of his improvement. At his low point, Lieber gave up nine runs on 13 hits in only 4 2/3 innings against the Marlins, whereupon he got a phone call from Florida manager Joe Girardi. He just mentioned that the hitters said everything that was coming in was just very flat,? Lieber said, attributing his turnabout to that conversation. ?Basically I was underneath the ball. I wasn't on top of the ball like I should have been. And that's why the ball doesn't have that crispness when it gets to the strike zone or that sharp break on my breaking ball. It just kind of stays right there for the hitters to lick their lips at.? Such a talk would be questionable enough if the Marlins and Phillies were just in the same league, but they're both members of the NL East and still had 10 games to play against each other in September when Girardi helped Lieber correct his problem, including the final weekend of the season as both vied for a wild-card spot. [url=http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/baseball/20070225-9999-1s25bbhorn.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimopain Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 You're f***ing kidding me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 You're f***ing kidding me. Is there anyway we can fire his ass again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 this happens all the time in baseball opposing managers would tell each other when they thought a pitcher was tipping his pitches absolutely nothing wrong with what Joe did here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfish Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 this happens all the time in baseball opposing managers would tell each other when they thought a pitcher was tipping his pitches absolutely nothing wrong with what Joe did here I couldn't disagree with you more! If it happens all the time in baseball, it is wrong every time it happens! The job of the manager is to win games for his team and for the fans. It is not his job to act like the "nice guy" to the opposing player, specially to those player that his team will be facing that same year! It is up to the players own manager and coaching staff to help him out. There is NO excuse for this. NONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinatPenn Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 You're f***ing kidding me. Is there anyway we can fire his ass again? :notworthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louiecastillo1 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 As long as he's not telling him what type of pitch he should throw, I think i'll put this on the "meh" catagory. But I agree he should have just kept his mouth shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 this happens all the time in baseball opposing managers would tell each other when they thought a pitcher was tipping his pitches absolutely nothing wrong with what Joe did here Yup, and players will call old pitching coaches all the time for mechanics/effectiveness issues. "Do unto others..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHUfishfan Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 I put it in the 'Meh" category because I don't like it as most fans wouldn't but I know it happens in baseball so I really can't complain because god knows who's calling players on our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 this happens all the time in baseball opposing managers would tell each other when they thought a pitcher was tipping his pitches absolutely nothing wrong with what Joe did here I couldn't disagree with you more! If it happens all the time in baseball, it is wrong every time it happens! The job of the manager is to win games for his team and for the fans. It is not his job to act like the "nice guy" to the opposing player, specially to those player that his team will be facing that same year! It is up to the players own manager and coaching staff to help him out. There is NO excuse for this. NONE! OmG gIraRdi HeLPed oTHeR TeAmS BeAT tHE MArlIns!!!!!!!!!!! ThERe iS nO ExCuSE get a life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 this happens all the time in baseball opposing managers would tell each other when they thought a pitcher was tipping his pitches absolutely nothing wrong with what Joe did here I couldn't disagree with you more! If it happens all the time in baseball, it is wrong every time it happens! The job of the manager is to win games for his team and for the fans. It is not his job to act like the "nice guy" to the opposing player, specially to those player that his team will be facing that same year! It is up to the players own manager and coaching staff to help him out. There is NO excuse for this. NONE! OmG gIraRdi HeLPed oTHeR TeAmS BeAT tHE MArlIns!!!!!!!!!!! ThERe iS nO ExCuSE get a life you're an ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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