June 6, 200719 yr PINTO To AAA :whistle pretty sure he is out of options As is Miller, no? yep Who in our Pen isn't? I wouldn't mind seeing Tank go down for a little while.
June 6, 200719 yr PINTO To AAA :whistle pretty sure he is out of options As is Miller, no? yep Who in our Pen isn't? I wouldn't mind seeing Tank go down for a little while. Tank, Owens, Lindstrom, RVH, Olsen
June 6, 200719 yr It's Fredi's fault that he's used in such tight situations when he's erratic (and that's kind) quite often. Not so sure I would blame Fredi for that. Of course I have no idea what is being said on that phone. So not being an insider I would have to question the pen coach on things like this. When Pinto is on he is very good. When he dosen't have his best stuff he just hasn't shown to be the type of pitcher that can work through it anyway. IMO Foster and to some extent Arsenault (exactly when did we stop calling him the bull pen catcher and gave him that "title") should be picking up on that kind of thing and relaying it to the dug out. Always has been a pet peeve of mine.
June 6, 200719 yr Young kid with live stuff, he is going to struggle with his control. He is certainly the #6 guy in the pen right now, but that can change as the year goes on.
June 6, 200719 yr It's Fredi's fault that he's used in such tight situations when he's erratic (and that's kind) quite often. Not so sure I would blame Fredi for that. Of course I have no idea what is being said on that phone. So not being an insider I would have to question the pen coach on things like this. When Pinto is on he is very good. When he dosen't have his best stuff he just hasn't shown to be the type of pitcher that can work through it anyway. IMO Foster and to some extent Arsenault (exactly when did we stop calling him the bull pen catcher and gave him that "title") should be picking up on that kind of thing and relaying it to the dug out. Always has been a pet peeve of mine. Lemme ask you a question. You bought a Maserati or any other fast sexy car with a knack for being in the mechanic's shop quite often. You love driving it, but it needs almost constant maintenance. No skin off your nose, the factory warranty provides unlimited maintenance, however, the mechanic keeps giving you the car with a clean bill of health, but you keep hearing a rattle and the car usually pulls a bit to the right. After the 4th or 5th time, are you going to take the mechanics word for it? Are you going to trust that car with your life in a rainstorm? Fredi's a big boy, I'm sure (though not positive) he can think for himself and realize when patterns develop. Am I calling for Pinto to be demoted? No, but he can't be treated like a set-up reliever.
June 7, 200719 yr Pinto deserves a few more chances, just let him come in some games where we are ahead big time to work things out. The guy does have some good stuff in him, he's just hit a rut. Besides, everyone in the bullpen has struggle a few times during the year. Tankersly is struggling as well. Its hard for bullpen guys to find a groove, especially young players.
June 7, 200719 yr Pinto deserves a few more chances, just let him come in some games where we are ahead big time to work things out. The guy does have some good stuff in him, he's just hit a rut. Besides, everyone in the bullpen has struggle a few times during the year. Tankersly is struggling as well. Its hard for bullpen guys to find a groove, especially young players. All the bullpen guys have been in a grove this year except for Pinto and Tankersley.
June 7, 200719 yr It's Fredi's fault that he's used in such tight situations when he's erratic (and that's kind) quite often. Not so sure I would blame Fredi for that. Of course I have no idea what is being said on that phone. So not being an insider I would have to question the pen coach on things like this. When Pinto is on he is very good. When he dosen't have his best stuff he just hasn't shown to be the type of pitcher that can work through it anyway. IMO Foster and to some extent Arsenault (exactly when did we stop calling him the bull pen catcher and gave him that "title") should be picking up on that kind of thing and relaying it to the dug out. Always has been a pet peeve of mine. Lemme ask you a question. You bought a Maserati or any other fast sexy car with a knack for being in the mechanic's shop quite often. You love driving it, but it needs almost constant maintenance. No skin off your nose, the factory warranty provides unlimited maintenance, however, the mechanic keeps giving you the car with a clean bill of health, but you keep hearing a rattle and the car usually pulls a bit to the right. After the 4th or 5th time, are you going to take the mechanics word for it? Are you going to trust that car with your life in a rainstorm? Fredi's a big boy, I'm sure (though not positive) he can think for himself and realize when patterns develop. Am I calling for Pinto to be demoted? No, but he can't be treated like a set-up reliever. That comparison makes no sense. You missed my point entirely. Or you are just into Fredi bashing. Or both.
June 7, 200719 yr Put me in the camp for giving him every possible long relief chance. I love his stuff. Revisit later if his control does not improve. I really think he can be something special if he can find it before he loses too much confidence.
June 7, 200719 yr It's Fredi's fault that he's used in such tight situations when he's erratic (and that's kind) quite often. Not so sure I would blame Fredi for that. Of course I have no idea what is being said on that phone. So not being an insider I would have to question the pen coach on things like this. When Pinto is on he is very good. When he dosen't have his best stuff he just hasn't shown to be the type of pitcher that can work through it anyway. IMO Foster and to some extent Arsenault (exactly when did we stop calling him the bull pen catcher and gave him that "title") should be picking up on that kind of thing and relaying it to the dug out. Always has been a pet peeve of mine. Lemme ask you a question. You bought a Maserati or any other fast sexy car with a knack for being in the mechanic's shop quite often. You love driving it, but it needs almost constant maintenance. No skin off your nose, the factory warranty provides unlimited maintenance, however, the mechanic keeps giving you the car with a clean bill of health, but you keep hearing a rattle and the car usually pulls a bit to the right. After the 4th or 5th time, are you going to take the mechanics word for it? Are you going to trust that car with your life in a rainstorm? Fredi's a big boy, I'm sure (though not positive) he can think for himself and realize when patterns develop. Am I calling for Pinto to be demoted? No, but he can't be treated like a set-up reliever. That comparison makes no sense. You missed my point entirely. Or you are just into Fredi bashing. Or both. No, it makes plenty of sense. There's something that you have that you like using. You know it has some issues, but when it runs well, it's great. When you want to take it out and are told it's A-OK, most of the time's it's not. If you keep believing the person who thinks it's A-OK, eventhough they've been wrong consistently, it's your own fault for continuing to believe him. Pinto's been all-over the place, almost consistently, in his last 6 or 7 outings. It wasn't his fault he was brought into a one run game, and I guess if you want to blame the bullpen coach, that's a really piss poor excuse. Fredi or Kranitz should have had a lightbulb come on before then. You ease him back in after consistent struggles.
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