if there's a lefty specialist how come their's not a right specialist?

 

 

Because most batters/pitchers are right handed and there is nothing special about that.

Pinto has Matt Perisho disease

 

I think his condition is getting worse and can soon turn into Jorge Julio disease.

I'm all for bashing Pinto, but I don't see why anyone is bashing Fredi here. I didn't actually watch the game, but from following gamecast Fredi was obviously going with the lefty for matchup reasons. I guess he could have left Miller in the game a little longer (although he did give up the leadoff single), but I think the calls for Owens in that situation are second guessing because we lost, not because it was the right move. Benitez pitched the last few days, and therefore I don't see how he could have used Benitez in the day game of a day/night doubleheader. If we would have had the lead going into the 8th, I bet we would have seen Owens then (rather than replacing Pinto after giving up 2 HRs). I don't mind Fredi micromanaging a 1-0 game, when up to that point the Marlins had mustered all of ONE hit.

stop saying pinto is good, he is not. He totally stinks.

 

He is the worse thing that happened to this team. He'll leave you the ball on a tee.

 

I think Mitre should start a fight with pinto, he f***ed up the game for him.

 

Of course another grand performance for Mitre and still did not get the W.

I'm all for bashing Pinto, but I don't see why anyone is bashing Fredi here. I didn't actually watch the game, but from following gamecast Fredi was obviously going with the lefty for matchup reasons. I guess he could have left Miller in the game a little longer (although he did give up the leadoff single), but I think the calls for Owens in that situation are second guessing because we lost, not because it was the right move. Benitez pitched the last few days, and therefore I don't see how he could have used Benitez in the day game of a day/night doubleheader. If we would have had the lead going into the 8th, I bet we would have seen Owens then (rather than replacing Pinto after giving up 2 HRs). I don't mind Fredi micromanaging a 1-0 game, when up to that point the Marlins had mustered all of ONE hit.

 

Managers who go with shaky pitchers for matchup reasons are what I call bad managers.

I'm all for bashing Pinto, but I don't see why anyone is bashing Fredi here. I didn't actually watch the game, but from following gamecast Fredi was obviously going with the lefty for matchup reasons. I guess he could have left Miller in the game a little longer (although he did give up the leadoff single), but I think the calls for Owens in that situation are second guessing because we lost, not because it was the right move. Benitez pitched the last few days, and therefore I don't see how he could have used Benitez in the day game of a day/night doubleheader. If we would have had the lead going into the 8th, I bet we would have seen Owens then (rather than replacing Pinto after giving up 2 HRs). I don't mind Fredi micromanaging a 1-0 game, when up to that point the Marlins had mustered all of ONE hit.

 

Managers who go with shaky pitchers for matchup reasons are what I call bad managers.

 

Not to mention the fact that he doesn't realize Hanley should be leading off...

The only situation Pinto should be allowed to pitch for us is if were winning 15 to 1 and we want our closer to get the save in the 9th. :nono

The guy just doesn't have anything dominating. Average fastball, below average breaking stuff.

The guy just doesn't have anything dominating. Average fastball, below average breaking stuff.

 

I disagree with that. He has the best arm in the pen, just by far the worst control.

 

Even when he tries to just throw to 1st base the ball moves. There is absolutely nothing flat from him, it's just a problem when it's 2 feet from the strike zone.

Pinto was mentioned on MLB Trade Rumors today and the Tigers had interest in him.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/06/tigers_trade_ru.html

 

Anything we could get for him?

:lol at this thread. All of you would have been complaining in the nightcap if Lindstrom hadn't come in when he did.

Pinto is most certainly in a slump right now. But the guy is by no means garbage. Let's not go overboard. He's just having some control problems and walking guys. He'll get back...

The guy just doesn't have anything dominating. Average fastball, below average breaking stuff.

 

I disagree with that. He has the best arm in the pen, just by far the worst control.

 

Even when he tries to just throw to 1st base the ball moves. There is absolutely nothing flat from him, it's just a problem when it's 2 feet from the strike zone.

 

The funny thing is that I saw alot of the same things being said about Mitre last year that are being said about Pinto now. You have to realize that he is still young and there is a learning curb. It's longer for some than others. I will say however, as I said with Mitre last year, that you have to be blind to say that his stuff is garbage. The kid has good stuff. He just needs to work on his control. Not just the balls and strikes, but control within the strike zone too. He has to keep the ball down and hit his spots. It should come with time. In the mean time we have other options for the 7th and 8th innings.

Fredi wasn't playing to win game 1, he was thinking ahead to game 2 when he left pinto in to face santalamacchia. He should have put owens in at that point, merely b/c pinto has been struggling lately. But he was trying to squeeze more out of pinto. Bad managing

Pinto is alright. Especially now that we don't have to use him as a setup man.

Pinto was mentioned on MLB Trade Rumors today and the Tigers had interest in him.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/06/tigers_trade_ru.html

 

Anything we could get for him?

 

Anything is right, taken.

Lowering the walks considerably from last year.. still more Ks than IPs and a .234 BAA.

 

He's having a rough stretch but the guy will be in our pen for a long time.

 

 

Some of you people are funny

Fredi wasn't playing to win game 1, he was thinking ahead to game 2 when he left pinto in to face santalamacchia. He should have put owens in at that point, merely b/c pinto has been struggling lately. But he was trying to squeeze more out of pinto. Bad managing

Salty was the SECOND batter he faced, and he got the first batter he faced out. You guys are unreal.

 

Pinto is not Julio. Pinto has had a few quality appearances. We had one hit through 6, and Mitre only went 5. Plus, we were in the first half of a double header with Vanden Hurk starting the second game...everyone in the bullpen was going to have to play today. I love the second guessers, who simply say Pinto shouldn't see the field unless we're up by 10 runs.

Fredi wasn't playing to win game 1, he was thinking ahead to game 2 when he left pinto in to face santalamacchia. He should have put owens in at that point, merely b/c pinto has been struggling lately. But he was trying to squeeze more out of pinto. Bad managing

Salty was the SECOND batter he faced, and he got the first batter he faced out. You guys are unreal.

 

Pinto is not Julio. Pinto has had a few quality appearances. We had one hit through 6, and Mitre only went 5. Plus, we were in the first half of a double header with Vanden Hurk starting the second game...everyone in the bullpen was going to have to play today. I love the second guessers, who simply say Pinto shouldn't see the field unless we're up by 10 runs.

 

No we're not unreal. You leave him in to face the elfty and then yo utake him out because hes been struggling. There was absolutely no need to leave him in past facing the lefthander. And then Fredi also left him in to face Woodward, so isn't a lefty either. Terrible managing. He had to play to win that game and worry about game 2 during game 2.

 

Edit: And when I say hes been struggling I mean in his last few appearances, not in that individual game to that point

Pinto was mentioned on MLB Trade Rumors today and the Tigers had interest in him.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/06/tigers_trade_ru.html

 

Anything we could get for him?

I'll take Granderson :mischief

PINTO To AAA :whistle

mlbtraderumors.com says that the Tigers were interested in Pinto in December. They're looking for bullpen help right now. Do they have anything we could use in a swap for Pinto?

 

I would love to steal Granderson from them but that probably wouldn't happen.

PINTO To AAA :whistle

pretty sure he is out of options

last year, i thought pinto was horrible.. this season he's done pretty good..., but we saw him outside the stadium standing by the team bus with a bag in his hand at tampa. my sister and a friend were like "PINTOOOOO!!! PINTO!!!!!!!!!! RENYEL!!!!!" and he completely ignored... he just looked and turned around with an angry face...lol i know that has nothing to do with his on feild performance... but just bad on character... u would think he would atleast wave or something at a car full of marlins fans with marlins gear and all that, that drove over to tampa from miami just to see them play...lol

PINTO To AAA :whistle

pretty sure he is out of options

 

As is Miller, no?