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Guest ShaqandWade323

The show was a little confusing but I'm sure we'll understand more as it goes along, I liked it simply because I'm a sucker for storylines centering around fallen stars and stuff like Butchie Yost. Of course the element added with John makes the story complex.

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I was a big fan of Deadwood, so I definitely made sure to watch this after The Sopranos finale. I like it so far. I like the whole magical realism/supernatural element to it and no one can write dialogue as uniquely as David Milch. The noir, hard-boiled vibe is also something that appeals to me. Also, the show is shot beautifully.

 

BTW. Comcast On Demand subscribers. Episode 2 is already available so check it out early if you'd like. I already saw it and it has a more action than the first episode while maintaining the same level of absurdity, which I love. Alot of people may be turned off by a confusing show set behind the backdrop of surfing, but I'll definitely be following it.

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In David Milch I trust. Definitely has a Lost feel to it, and I trust Milch is going somewhere pretty special with it, especially for HBO to cancel Deadwood for this. He sold them on something bigger than a simple surf noir show with odd elements thrown in.

 

Couple things I might have missed though: who exactly is Al Bundy's character? Is Rebecca De Mornay Butchies mother or just married to Butchie's father?

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In David Milch I trust. Definitely has a Lost feel to it, and I trust Milch is going somewhere pretty special with it, especially for HBO to cancel Deadwood for this. He sold them on something bigger than a simple surf noir show with odd elements thrown in.

 

Couple things I might have missed though: who exactly is Al Bundy's character? Is Rebecca De Mornay Butchies mother or just married to Butchie's father?

 

 

Bundy apparently is a friend of the family and is a little weird, I think he's a Vietnam vet? And De Mornay is Butchie's mom.

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In David Milch I trust. Definitely has a Lost feel to it, and I trust Milch is going somewhere pretty special with it, especially for HBO to cancel Deadwood for this. He sold them on something bigger than a simple surf noir show with odd elements thrown in.

 

Couple things I might have missed though: who exactly is Al Bundy's character? Is Rebecca De Mornay Butchies mother or just married to Butchie's father?

 

 

Bundy apparently is a friend of the family and is a little weird, I think he's a Vietnam vet? And De Mornay is Butchie's mom.

 

 

Hot damn she is way too young to be Butchie's mom, but whatever...

 

 

I'll have a hard time thinking of Rebecca De Mornay as a Grandma to a 13 year old!

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Guest ShaqandWade323

I liked the second episode, it's still not cleared up who John is specifically but all I know is Butchie's pretty funny and that ending was pretty good.

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It seems to me this show was rushed. Rebecca De Mornay and the actors who play Kai and Seany are really terrible actors that are seriously hindering the series. I also can't believe some of the Dialogue I am hearing from a David Milch show. I just heard that kid Seany say "mom, I felt like a dork lying around there" after he just woke up from the dead. I mean come on!

 

I'll give it a couple more episodes, but I can't believe they cancelled the greatest TV Drama ever for this...

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Note to self: Don't post while in the middle of watching the show. I had it TIVO'd sorry I am a little late but this last show was amazing. So good. I had my first OMG! moment and it was actually right up there with Lost in "wtf is going on" moments.

 

First, when John "appeared" to Cissy and told her about her walking in on Butchie jacking off and telling him "let me show you how to do that", I literally cupped my mouth and said OMG! It actually makes a lot of sense though with how F'ed up they are.

 

Then John manifesting himself to everyone and carrying the dead body out of the hotel room...and I so thought something apocalyptic was going to happen in that last scene, the mood they had going on was just downright awesome. Rivals anything Lost has ever done.

 

Does anybody else get the sense that John is starting to get a Jesus like following and the Doctor, The War Veteran, The Thug and his partner, The ex Cop, Mitch, The Porn Star, Cassie, Butch, Kai, The Lawyer, and the gay guy are going to become his apostles??

 

 

It took 6 shows to do, but they have me absolutely hooked now.

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So, is this anything like Deadwood? Because I couldn't stand Deadwood.

 

 

Nothing like Deadwood. You might not like it though if you didn't like Deadwood, they have some of the same characteristics that made some people not enjoy Deadwood. Both are very slow moving and the dialogue can be hard to pick up on first viewing.

 

They are nothing like your typical TV show, David Milch really tries to make character pieces and some people thought Deadwood should just be about action. It's why the fans who like Deadwood and follow it love it so much, because each and every character on the show has a complete and deep back story, from the lead male to the prostitutes. Deadwood is the definition of an ensemble piece.

 

This show is developing the same way, except with a supernatural/spiritual twist to it.

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Guest CrimsonCane

So, is this anything like Deadwood? Because I couldn't stand Deadwood.

 

It depends on what aspects of Deadwood turned you off? The vulgarity is just as present; the altered manner of speaking remains as well. I know for many people these two things turned a lot of people off from Deadwood. It takes place in the present-day in a Southern California surf town, so as far as setting goes you can't really find a location more distinct from 1890s Dakota.

 

I would argue that this show definitely requires more out of the viewer than Deadwood. At least to me, the action on screen in Deadwood spoke for itself and the marvelous dialogue left you completely awestruck. With John from Cincinnati, there's a lot more subtext throughout the show and things are revealed quite slowly. (It basically took until tonight's episode, Episode 6, to get things moving) However, the dialogue still contains some absolute gems and remains strong throughout, despite the initial awkwardness some of the actors seemed to have trying to speak Milch-ese.

 

Each show touches on vastly different themes. Deadwood was all about how order can develop in a society given the absence of law. John from Cincinnati is more about the path to redemption.

 

If you've been fortunate enough to see Twin Peaks and enjoyed that show, I'd say you'd probably be intrigued enough by the show's eccentricity to stick with it until last night's episode, which was by far the most rewarding and amazing episode of the series.

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First, when John "appeared" to Cissy and told her about her walking in on Butchie jacking off and telling him "let me show you how to do that", I literally cupped my mouth and said OMG! It actually makes a lot of sense though with how F'ed up they are.

 

Then John manifesting himself to everyone and carrying the dead body out of the hotel room...and I so thought something apocalyptic was going to happen in that last scene, the mood they had going on was just downright awesome. Rivals anything Lost has ever done.

 

Does anybody else get the sense that John is starting to get a Jesus like following and the Doctor, The War Veteran, The Thug and his partner, The ex Cop, Mitch, The Porn Star, Cassie, Butch, Kai, The Lawyer, and the gay guy are going to become his apostles??

 

 

It took 6 shows to do, but they have me absolutely hooked now.

 

I've been watching this show since it started, waiting for an episode like this one. After that final scene, I was pretty speechless. Milch definitely brought it in full force last night. I'm on the same train with you about the John-Jesus connection. The talk of "The Father," the mentioning of Vietnam Joe as a Doubting Thomas, and his Sermon on the Tarmac all seem to be pointing very prominently to the Son of God camp. Thank God for DVR, that episode is definitely getting a rewatch.

 

If you're interested in some more insight, the Inside the Episode feature on HBO's website is a REALLY good resource. And if you are interested in even more stuff, let me know. There's an HBO-run website similar to Lost's Inside the Experience internet stuff last year where you can really uncover some interesting things about the show once you figure out the site's puzzles. (Don't know if you've seen these sites yet.)

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If you're interested in some more insight, the Inside the Episode feature on HBO's website is a REALLY good resource. And if you are interested in even more stuff, let me know. There's an HBO-run website similar to Lost's Inside the Experience internet stuff last year where you can really uncover some interesting things about the show once you figure out the site's puzzles. (Don't know if you've seen these sites yet.)

 

 

I usually don't like to do those type of things because I absolutely hate spoilers of even the smallest magnitude. I want to be surprised with each new show and not have an inkling of what is next. I never watch previews for a TV show and even if a movie is coming out that I know I will enjoy, I won't watch the trailer. The way I look at it is if it is an important piece of information, they'll put it in the show.

 

Can't wait for next week's show...

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Tonight's show revealed very little, but I still loved it. David Milch can write the best dialogue ever and the acting from Luke Perry(who would have thought), Al Bundy, Butchie and John has been absolutely perfect, they deserve to be nominated.

 

 

My favorite character right now though has to be the doctor. Where the hell has Mitch been?

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Guest CrimsonCane

I'm all sorts of confused right now, but damn were there some absolutely amazing/hilarious moments tonight.

 

"You don't reward failure, Ramon!" - Dickstein (On the mispainted shuffleboard court)

 

"Yeah, mortal combat with unseen forces, I should deprive myself of telepathic information to spare you irritation...from cheeping." - Bill Jacks (When Dayton Callie complains about Zippy)

 

I would have never believed that the best character in this entire show would be Al Bundy, but Ed O'Neill can definitely bring the Milch dialogue like no one else on this show. Also, Cuningham and Teddy seem like characters from the lost third season of Twin Peaks or something. Can't believe there's only 2 more episodes left.

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