July 20, 200718 yr And I remember when people used to say that Hermida was going to be better than Francour. :lol 2007 Hermida .245/.336/.439 (.775) Francoeur .291/.330/.426 (.756) Things I :lol at 1. Having a higher OBP and SLUG percentage when you are batting 45 points less 2. Having 742 less AB then another player, yet having 10 more walks in a career (66-56) Yea, so Hermida is whiffing a bit more, every 4 AB versus every 4.8, and his slugging is a little lower for their careers (and that was to be expected), and Francoeur is part of the laser rocket arm club and Hermida is bringing back images of Junior Felix out there right now, and Hermida hasn't exactly been a model of consistency with his injuries. These are all not good things for Hermida. But come on. You are making outright statements against him, and you aren't even looking at the data. I'll be shocked at plate appearance # 1,342, if Hermida doesn't have a career OPS over .775. SHOCKED. I expect yearly out OPSing, pretty much starting now. Francoeur is real good. He's going to pop a lot of HR and play wicked defense, but Hermida is going to be a much more consistent player when he gets going. Francoeur is an all or nothing type guy.
July 20, 200718 yr And I remember when people used to say that Hermida was going to be better than Francour. :lol 2007 Hermida .245/.336/.439 (.775) Francoeur .291/.330/.426 (.756) Things I :lol at 1. Having a higher OBP and SLUG percentage when you are batting 45 points less 2. Having 742 less AB then another player, yet having 10 more walks in a career (66-56) Yea, so Hermida is whiffing a bit more, every 4 AB versus every 4.8, and his slugging is a little lower for their careers (and that was to be expected), and Francoeur is part of the laser rocket arm club and Hermida is bringing back images of Junior Felix out there right now, and Hermida hasn't exactly been a model of consistency with his injuries. These are all not good things for Hermida. But come on. You are making outright statements against him, and you aren't even looking at the data. I'll be shocked at plate appearance # 1,342, if Hermida doesn't have a career OPS over .775. SHOCKED. I expect yearly out OPSing, pretty much starting now. Francoeur is real good. He's going to pop a lot of HR and play wicked defense, but Hermida is going to be a much more consistent player when he gets going. Francoeur is an all or nothing type guy. Really no matter what kind of stat fishing expedition you go into the fact of the matter is that so far Francouer's career > Hermida's career and it's not even close.
July 20, 200718 yr Even worse, it was not even ruled an error by the retard official scorer. that is a total travesty. So mitre got f**ked, shouldve had no earned runs, and a better chance to win it himself. Maybe if not for hermida's continued bullsh*t, mitre couldve extended himself and saved us from mando. or the 4 runs wouldve cut the deficit but not the lead. We didn't lose this game because of Jeremy Hermida. We lost this game because of Armando Benitez. He's a 23 year old sophomore. Get over it. get over him playing like a little leaguer, yeah that doesnt matter at all, its okay, he should definitely keep playing, i guess you dont care whether they win or lose? come on, to say mitre allowed a 2 out rally? - hermida made a blunder in the field and mitre got rattled, i understand he made the pitches but he shouldnt have had to throw them, mitre allowed only the runner who shouldve been out because of hermida to score, thats an inning ending play and hermida does this all the time, whatd he say last week during the dodger series, that he'd never take his eye off the ball again, am i gonna read in the paper tomorrow that he's never gonna let the ball roll behind him to the wall again, he never correctly judges a fly ball and continues to be a disaster in the field every other 23 year old sophomore in the majors, and even some rookies, are better in the field at his position than jeremy hermida by a lot, guaranteed lol how did I know you were going to turn this game into a blame Hermida thread. Obviously Hermida's play in RF is bad, but that doesn't mean you can blame everything on the kid. The announcers had just got done saying how nasty the sun is early in RF, and it was obvious he didn't pick up on the ball until it was on top of him. It happens all the time in baseball, a player loses the ball in the sun or lights. Im not sure if you have ever played a lick of baseball in your life to understand that, but the fact of the mater is the Marlins had a 2 run lead going into the 8th and the setup man blew the game. You should have found the man in the Salmon colored shirt again for a mature fan talk and a LOLZ I hatez Fredi/Hermida chat. thats very funny, and yes it does happen all the time in baseball, it happens 2 or 3 times a week to hermida, who regardless of the sun never correctly tracks the ball yes the marlins had a 2 run lead in the 8th, fantastic, hermida still continues to suck in the field all the time, while benitez has earned the 8th inning role for a reason, just because benitez gave up runs after hermida did doesnt make him worse, but its great for the people who dont seem to care or didnt even see the play and just want to blame benitez because of the how game is framed, if hermida did that in the 8th would he be more responsible then? oh and FishFF, you can list your serious baseball credentials anytime you'd like, i'm sure i'll be extremely impressed
July 20, 200718 yr i love hearing you cannot knock hermida right now because his average is up to 250 from 215, WOW!!!!!
July 20, 200718 yr Whats it matter what his average is if he can get on base? Give me a guy that hits .250/.410 over a guy that hits .303/.314 every day. People are alot of the time ignorantly biased towards batting average. Its why guys like Juan Pierre and David Eckstein and others of their ilk are mediocre players...they might hit .300, but their ability to get on base is completely dependent on it.
July 20, 200718 yr Really no matter what kind of stat fishing expedition you go into the fact of the matter is that so far Francouer's career > Hermida's career and it's not even close. And that is irrelevant. The remark was, remember when people used to say that Hermida was going to be better than Francour. And Hermida, coming off an injury, is basically outperforming him right now, and in my opinion, will continue to do so given full health on both players because of Hermida's BB rate/plate discipline advantages, and really, his power numbers are pretty damn good this year and above what most people thought he would do. Over a full season, he's hitting 25-27 HR based off 2007 performance totals. Most people thought, including myself, he couldn't break 20 until he got older, but it looks like that skill might be developing faster than anticipated. And that's really exciting if you're a Marlins fan. I love how citing stats is a negative.
July 20, 200718 yr I didnt expect him to be on a HR pace like his is, but honestly his power development from year-to-year in the minors increased at a high rate so it really doesnt surprise me.
July 20, 200718 yr Whats it matter what his average is if he can get on base? Give me a guy that hits .250/.410 over a guy that hits .303/.314 every day. People are alot of the time ignorantly biased towards batting average. Its why guys like Juan Pierre and David Eckstein and others of their ilk are mediocre players...they might hit .300, but their ability to get on base is completely dependent on it. i agree with the statement on avg but cmon haha, see above
July 20, 200718 yr Ok, fun little experiment. Jeremy Hermida through his first 544 MLB at bats: .252/.338/.414 1 K in every 4.03 at bats 135/66 K/BB ratio Mystery Player through his first 545 MLB at bats: .277/.339/.506 1 every 3.9 at bats 138 to 49 K/BB ratio Can anyone tell me who the mystery player is?
July 20, 200718 yr Really no matter what kind of stat fishing expedition you go into the fact of the matter is that so far Francouer's career > Hermida's career and it's not even close. And that is irrelevant. The remark was, remember when people used to say that Hermida was going to be better than Francour. And Hermida, coming off an injury, is basically outperforming him right now, and in my opinion, will continue to do so given full health on both players because of Hermida's BB rate/plate discipline advantages, and really, his power numbers are pretty damn good this year and above what most people thought he would do. Over a full season, he's hitting 25-27 HR based off 2007 performance totals. Most people thought, including myself, he couldn't break 20 until he got older, but it looks like that skill might be developing faster than anticipated. And that's really exciting if you're a Marlins fan. I love how citing stats is a negative. If you're talking about this season their OBP, SLG and OPS are pretty similar but in RBIs and runs scored Francouer blows him away becasue Jeremy can't stay healthy while Francouer plays every day and defensively Francouer is the far better player. There's nothing wrong with citing stats as long as you present the entire picture.
July 20, 200718 yr Ok, fun little experiment. Jeremy Hermida through his first 544 MLB at bats: .252/.338/.414 1 K in every 4.03 at bats 135/66 K/BB ratio Mystery Player through his first 545 MLB at bats: .277/.339/.506 1 every 3.9 at bats 138 to 49 K/BB ratio Can anyone tell me who the mystery player is? Hanley Ramirez?
July 20, 200718 yr Yes, the Mystery Player is Miguel Cabrera. Well done hanley2. Cabs was striking out a greater rate and drawing walks at a worse rate in the same initial timeframe as Hermida. Their OBPs are basically identical. Cabs of course has the higher slugging. Not a large discrepancy in batting average. So people, look at how Cabs has turned out. Look at how similar Cabs and Hermida are through their first 550 plate appearances. Look at the beast Cabs has become and the beast Hermida was as a 20 year old in AA. Realize that Cabs himself was a butcher in RF. I could of used any player, really. Cabs just helps me best drive the point home. If anyone still feels the need to berate and bitch about Hermida, then I feel for you.
July 20, 200718 yr i dont like hating on hermida, id rather have him not suck, but i truly cannot believe miggy was as a much of a blunder in left or right that hermida is now, when miggy was a rookie it was 03 and every game after june mattered a lot and they basically won at about .700 clip after june 20th, 2003, 75-49 under trader jack overall. i dont remember miggy costing us numerous games, or at least a decent chance to win them
July 20, 200718 yr What were their ages and how many games did each of them miss due to injury in getting to the 544 ABs? Those are relevant factors, are they not?
July 20, 200718 yr ya they should be, miggy was only 20, its hard to compare anyone in baseball to rare players like miggy and hanley
July 20, 200718 yr Hermida was 21-23. Cabs was 20-21. Cabs starter his professional career at 16. Hermida started his at 18. So in the term of BASEBALL AGE, they were the same.
July 20, 200718 yr Cabs starter his professional career at 16. Hermida started his at 18. So in the term of BASEBALL AGE, they were the same. :wacko This is as good as the guy who explains players having good years or bad years due to good luck or bad luck.
July 20, 200718 yr Hey I wasn't even saying he's a bust yet Hermida looks like a complete bust as of now. Looks like a bust as of now is not the same as he's a bust. Not even close. I've seen a lot of players look like busts and turn out good. To say he's a bust means he's never going to be good, which I'm not saying about Hermida. Good try though.
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