Even worse, it was not even ruled an error by the retard official scorer. that is a total travesty. So mitre got f**ked, shouldve had no earned runs, and a better chance to win it himself. Maybe if not for hermida's continued bullsh*t, mitre couldve extended himself and saved us from mando. or the 4 runs wouldve cut the deficit but not the lead.

We didn't lose this game because of Jeremy Hermida. We lost this game because of Armando Benitez. He's a 23 year old sophomore. Get over it.

Judging by the responses in this thread, I'm glad I decided not to wake up and watch this one...

On the plus side, Justin Miller has now pitched 12 1/3 consecutive scoreless innings. Last Marlins reliever to to throw more than a dozen consecutive scoreless innings: Todd Jones (2004).

Even worse, it was not even ruled an error by the retard official scorer. that is a total travesty. So mitre got f**ked, shouldve had no earned runs, and a better chance to win it himself. Maybe if not for hermida's continued bullsh*t, mitre couldve extended himself and saved us from mando. or the 4 runs wouldve cut the deficit but not the lead.

We didn't lose this game because of Jeremy Hermida. We lost this game because of Armando Benitez. He's a 23 year old sophomore. Get over it.

 

get over him playing like a little leaguer, yeah that doesnt matter at all, its okay, he should definitely keep playing, i guess you dont care whether they win or lose?

 

come on, to say mitre allowed a 2 out rally? - hermida made a blunder in the field and mitre got rattled, i understand he made the pitches but he shouldnt have had to throw them, mitre allowed only the runner who shouldve been out because of hermida to score, thats an inning ending play

 

and hermida does this all the time, whatd he say last week during the dodger series, that he'd never take his eye off the ball again, am i gonna read in the paper tomorrow that he's never gonna let the ball roll behind him to the wall again, he never correctly judges a fly ball and continues to be a disaster in the field

 

every other 23 year old sophomore in the majors, and even some rookies, are better in the field at his position than jeremy hermida by a lot, guaranteed

Even worse, it was not even ruled an error by the retard official scorer. that is a total travesty. So mitre got f**ked, shouldve had no earned runs, and a better chance to win it himself. Maybe if not for hermida's continued bullsh*t, mitre couldve extended himself and saved us from mando. or the 4 runs wouldve cut the deficit but not the lead.

We didn't lose this game because of Jeremy Hermida. We lost this game because of Armando Benitez. He's a 23 year old sophomore. Get over it.

 

get over him playing like a little leaguer, yeah that doesnt matter at all, its okay, he should definitely keep playing, i guess you dont care whether they win or lose?

 

come on, to say mitre allowed a 2 out rally? - hermida made a blunder in the field and mitre got rattled, i understand he made the pitches but he shouldnt have had to throw them, mitre allowed only the runner who shouldve been out because of hermida to score, thats an inning ending play

 

and hermida does this all the time, whatd he say last week during the dodger series, that he'd never take his eye off the ball again, am i gonna read in the paper tomorrow that he's never gonna let the ball roll behind him to the wall again, he never correctly judges a fly ball and continues to be a disaster in the field

 

every other 23 year old sophomore in the majors, and even some rookies, are better in the field at his position than jeremy hermida by a lot, guaranteed

 

lol how did I know you were going to turn this game into a blame Hermida thread. Obviously Hermida's play in RF is bad, but that doesn't mean you can blame everything on the kid. The announcers had just got done saying how nasty the sun is early in RF, and it was obvious he didn't pick up on the ball until it was on top of him. It happens all the time in baseball, a player loses the ball in the sun or lights. Im not sure if you have ever played a lick of baseball in your life to understand that, but the fact of the mater is the Marlins had a 2 run lead going into the 8th and the setup man blew the game. You should have found the man in the Salmon colored shirt again for a mature fan talk and a LOLZ I hatez Fredi/Hermida chat.

-Jacobs needs to learn after the first time

 

-If Tank is going to be a LOOGY, I'd rather him be in AAA. I COMPLETELY understand not wanting to have him face a righty in a situation like that, but where he is at his point in his career, I'd rather him be in AAA where he can work against against righties.

 

-Good to see mitre going deep after a rocky start. Hermida did f*** up but he was still very hittable those first two innings.

 

-Speaking of Hermida...good to see Ross ingame, but hated that he was PH for Hermida. Wood in for Jacobs was also a |: move

 

-And awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwesome play by Mitre at first with the ball that bounced of Jacobs. That was great watching it when it happened.

 

-Willingham is going to be one of the better hitters in the game if he can keep up what he's doing against RHP and go back to crushing LHP. Great eye (near-400 OBP) and great power. I gotta admit I was iffy on him originally but he's something special.

 

-oh and f*** benitez

 

Okay. Start from the top.

 

-I'm not that sold on Tank just yet either. But I saw a quote from Fredi saying he was going to use him a little at first to help him build his confidence back up. One thing that he was sent down to work on. He came into this game and did his job. Then it was Miller Time. I see no problem with that.

 

-It looked to me that Sergio didn't have that slider working very well. Alot of fly balls, even after he settled down. I say fantastic job working through 6 without his best stuff. I love a ground ball pitcher. Keep the K pitchers for partial innings out of the pen. Give me a great defense and a pitcher that gets ground balls over a fly ball pitcher or a K pitcher any day. Damn the fantasy players.

Now a question. I left the ball park and the scoreboard said no errors. I get up this morning and I see an error was given to Jeremy for fielding and 2 ERs for Mitre. I assume that error was changed for the 1st inning blooper reel non-catch. But wasn't that with guys on and 2 outs? That catch should have ended the inning also meaning there wouldn't have been a guy on 2nd for the next double that drove him in. Wouldn't that make it 0 ERs?

About that error. Top half on the 1st inning is killer in the OF. Especially RF to about LCF. Even with glasses on. The sun usually goes down far enough by the bottom half of the inning to make that an easier catch. Not making excuses for that play because I was tracking that ball the whole way, just saying.

 

-Those two PH moves had me second guessing as well. I could understand a defensive replacement move for Jeremy but not take the bat away. The Wood move was even more of a head scratcher. But I don't have access to all the stats that Fredi and Carlos have so maybe they saw something there we didn't know about.

 

-Funny you brought up the Hammer thing. I said during the game to those around us that I was feeling more comfortable as of late with the all around play of the golden child. He's winning me over. For whatever that's worth.

 

-Those are the first ERs Bennie And His Jets have given up since July 1st. That's 5.1 innings of hold 'em pitching. Funny how none of these bashing comments were going around the board during that time.

This was a team loss. We had the chances to pile on runs and didn't. We had the chance to keep innings alive and swung for the fences instead (Cabby in the 8th especially). 3 runs score in the 1st that never should have crossed the plate. Don't be such "what have you done for me your last outing" type fans.

 

-Exciting game to be at even with a tough loss. Reds fans were very nice and those around us were very knowledgable of their team. Good information and cheering/jeering exchanged between us during the game.

Mando 1ip 4h 4ER ...ball game

It hurts, but it happens. Our bullpen (aside from Julio) hasn't blown a ton of games this year, so we were due (if you want to think of it that way). But as big a fan as I am of his, Benitez's inconsistency is worrisome.

 

yea for sure. Thinking of his last few starts, they have been hairy. Leadoff walks, multiple men on base, if you ask me this was comming sooner or later.

 

Can't argue that point for sure. Reminds me so much of Dragon Slayer in that aspect. But as I always say, fecal matter occurs.

Hermida misplayed the ball, but to say it was a surefire out in Pro Player in right, with the sun out there early, is foolish. I don't think that was an automatic out by any means.

 

Mando wasn't good tonight but the pitch selection was atrocious. He got a lot of batters 0-2 on fastballs and kept going with the heat, I don't think I saw one splitter from him. What's even worse was that after the first three batters reached, no one got up in the pen, hell, for the entire 8th inning no one was up. Big time finger of shame on that one.

 

Yea, Jeremy misplayed it. But also add in that ball was sinking fast. It was a tough ball to read because of the glare and the way it was sinking, but...

More and more I am shying away from the initial company read on Jeremy. And I still haven't seen that cannon of an arm we heard so much about. It's not a pop gun JP-ish type arm, but no cannon blast either. However, if I was looking for some positive I would say at least he uses two hands to catch the ball now. When he does catch it.

Hermida misplayed the ball, but to say it was a surefire out in Pro Player in right, with the sun out there early, is foolish. I don't think that was an automatic out by any means.

 

Mando wasn't good tonight but the pitch selection was atrocious. He got a lot of batters 0-2 on fastballs and kept going with the heat, I don't think I saw one splitter from him. What's even worse was that after the first three batters reached, no one got up in the pen, hell, for the entire 8th inning no one was up. Big time finger of shame on that one.

 

im sorry this just bothers me so much, i have to say more

 

swift, i know you are very knowledgable and you have been posting on this board long before i even knew it existed. i respect your opinion and you were one of the few posters that i knew by username before i started posting because i frequently agreed with you and could tell you knew what you were talking about.

 

im not saying you dont in this case, but lets just get this straight. hermida's play had nothing to do with it being an automatic out, a hard out, or an easy out. it had to do with him not letting the ball race behind him and allowing the runners to score like he does twice a week. please dont call me or anyone foolish for saying an everyday starter in the major leagues should keep a ball like that in front of him. i ask because i know you are intelligent and it really really bothers me when intelligent marlins and baseball fans let hermida off for his typical bs like that. thank you.

 

I don't go with that synopsis. Here's why. IF, and it is entirely possible, IF he lost that ball in the sun there is no way he could have anticipated where that thing was landing or stop it from getting by him unless the baseball gods were on his side and it happens to hit him in the chest or somehow land in his glove. That's not making excuses for him. Pure fact on that. However, I tracked that ball and he was just a little to my left. And seeing our seats are Row 1, he is also just a little lower than us. My opinion is that it should have been caught. It was a tougher catch than it looks like on TV, but still...

This is a really bad time to be knocking Hermida.

 

On July 1st, his OPS was .698. On July 20th, his OPS is .775.

 

He is hitting .333/.429/.565 (1.010) this month. His strikeout rate has decreased from May, to June, to July. You can throw sample size around as much as anyone likes, but he's getting better. He's fighting off those low/outside breaking pitches, dumping some of them into the outfield now, jumping on more pitches early in the count, and just "looks" way more confident. It's only a matter of time until he is the 3rd best hitter on the team. He's already 4th. Clearly, the defense MUST improve, as it needs to for the team as a whole. But he knows that. Fredi knows that. It'll get better. He's not as bad as he looks, just as how he wasn't as bad as a hitter as he looked in June. You got to chalk a lot of it up to under performance. He'll turn into a neutral defender. I would imagine getting a real CF would help both the corner players drastically as well.

Mando 1ip 4h 4ER ...ball game

It hurts, but it happens. Our bullpen (aside from Julio) hasn't blown a ton of games this year, so we were due (if you want to think of it that way). But as big a fan as I am of his, Benitez's inconsistency is worrisome.

 

I agree. But, they had a shot of Benitez as he was warming up and he was stretching his back and grimacing. He's playing injured.

This is a really bad time to be knocking Hermida.

 

On July 1st, his OPS was .698. On July 20th, his OPS is .775.

 

He is hitting .333/.429/.565 (1.010) this month. His strikeout rate has decreased from May, to June, to July. You can throw sample size around as much as anyone likes, but he's getting better. He's fighting off those low/outside breaking pitches, dumping some of them into the outfield now, jumping on more pitches early in the count, and just "looks" way more confident. It's only a matter of time until he is the 3rd best hitter on the team. He's already 4th. Clearly, the defense MUST improve, as it needs to for the team as a whole. But he knows that. Fredi knows that. It'll get better. He's not as bad as he looks, just as how he wasn't as bad as a hitter as he looked in June. You got to chalk a lot of it up to under performance. He'll turn into a neutral defender. I would imagine getting a real CF would help both the corner players drastically as well.

Jeremy is hitting better but Hammer is a very good hitter so Jeremy is a loooooooong way away from catching him as a hitter and Jeremy is as bad as he looks defensively unless everyone's eyes are lying and that's not likely to be the case.

 

Last night's play was not a routine play but it was a play most RFs make.

2 things...

 

First, for all the Hermida haters out there, I have season tickets out in the front row in right-center and I was at the game yesterday. There were NO clouds at all and the sun stayed right at the top of the stadium for the ENTIRE top half of the first. Looking up towards the scoreboard was impossible. The line drive to Hermida was hit hard and it was sinking fast. IMO, it was totally fair that the official scorer didn't credit him with an E. Also, it was the FIRST inning. You can't keep using Hermida as your goat everytime we lose. He may not be the best, I agree, but get off the guy's back... If it weren't so amusing to read all the bashing, I'd say it's borderline ridiculous!!

 

Second, what was Fredi thinking pitching to Freel in the 8th with 1st base open?? Benitez got ahead of two batters 0-2 and then gives up two scorching hits, so with the tying run on 3rd and 1 out you pitch to the batter? Are you insane? Freel was 2-3 at that point with 0-1 Hatteburg on deck. Is it not more logical to set up a potential double play, or at least a force at home? Even if Freel doesn't hit that homer, a deep fly still ties the game...

 

It's almost like this team is afraid of winning. In the top of the 8th, you can't be playing for a tie - in April maybe, but not in July.

Did Hermida f*** up again?

 

The answer to that question is yes unless:

 

1). The Marlins had a day off

2). Hermida had a day off

3). Both

 

 

Yes that's correct. In particular, if anybody missed it because it was early on in the game, in the top of the 1st, mitre induced a short fly ball to right field with 2 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd. Knowing its hermida out there, i immediately cringed in my seat. Now i won't even hold him responsible for not catching the ball because (a) he f***ing sucks in the field (b) it wasn't the easiest ball to catch but should be routine for somebody who starts every day in the major leagues to at least field it. So, then after he started back initially and then had to come forward (obviously, like every other ball) he stopped because i guess he didnt think he would catch it (DUH). When i saw him slowing up I didnt like it but figured he was just playing it safe so the ball wouldnt get by him and he would come up with a strong throw home preventing the runners from scoring.

 

Well again that proved to be way too much for Jeremy Hermida. In typical sh*thead fashion, he didnt get the ball cleanly and it went behind him almost to the wall if not all the way and both runners on base scored. How many times has this happened this year? This a-hole screws up in the field multiple times a week and he continues to play. I really dont even fault him anymore because Fredi probably doesnt even say a word to him. Im not saying Fredi should get in his face but do something, hermida cannot think this is just part of the game, that its okay, and itll work itself out (Fredi's philosophy for everything)

 

Even worse, it was not even ruled an error by the retard official scorer. that is a total travesty. So mitre got f**ked, shouldve had no earned runs, and a better chance to win it himself. Maybe if not for hermida's continued bullsh*t, mitre couldve extended himself and saved us from mando. or the 4 runs wouldve cut the deficit but not the lead.

 

the reds got 3 runs right off the bat when they shouldve ended the 1st inning scoreless, and beat us by 2. worst loss in weeks and thats saying something.

 

THANK YOU JEREMY YOU F**KING SUCK

 

hahaha, I really love this post. Funny stuff.

 

I haven't been able to watch many games this year.....but the picture I'm getting of Jeremy's defense ain't pretty. I'm surprised there was no warning of this coming out of the minors....

Hermida misplayed the ball, but to say it was a surefire out in Pro Player in right, with the sun out there early, is foolish. I don't think that was an automatic out by any means.

 

Mando wasn't good tonight but the pitch selection was atrocious. He got a lot of batters 0-2 on fastballs and kept going with the heat, I don't think I saw one splitter from him. What's even worse was that after the first three batters reached, no one got up in the pen, hell, for the entire 8th inning no one was up. Big time finger of shame on that one.

It wasn't an automatic out whatsoever but if he keeps it in front of him, he saves a run. Benitez's selection was awful. As you said, he tried to burn every hitter out with a fastball. That may be his out pitch but you have to change speeds after you throw two in a row.

 

He actually threw a slider (albeit a bad one) to Freel and we all know how (and where) that ended up... :|

Hermida misplayed the ball, but to say it was a surefire out in Pro Player in right, with the sun out there early, is foolish. I don't think that was an automatic out by any means.

 

Mando wasn't good tonight but the pitch selection was atrocious. He got a lot of batters 0-2 on fastballs and kept going with the heat, I don't think I saw one splitter from him. What's even worse was that after the first three batters reached, no one got up in the pen, hell, for the entire 8th inning no one was up. Big time finger of shame on that one.

 

So know your going after hispanics?.... classy

And I remember when people used to say that Hermida was going to be better than Francour. :lol

And I remember when people used to say that Hermida was going to be better than Francour. :lol

:lol

 

 

:|

 

 

He is going to be.

It's weird to me that the Marlins have had SO MANY young prospects turn out to be good recently, yet the highest regarded one of them all in Hermida looks like a complete bust as of now.

It's weird to me that the Marlins have had SO MANY young prospects turn out to be good recently, yet the highest regarded one of them all in Hermida looks like a complete bust as of now.

I think you missed this part at the end of your post...

 

...in the field

It's weird to me that the Marlins have had SO MANY young prospects turn out to be good recently, yet the highest regarded one of them all in Hermida looks like a complete bust as of now.

I think you missed this part at the end of your post...

 

...in the field

 

Yeah, but their isn't a DH in the NL last I checked, and even with his moderate improvement at the plate this year, he's still at a .775 OPS (and that's due to a recent hot streak) while having twice as many k's as walks. Going to have to do much better than that if you can't field.

It's weird to me that the Marlins have had SO MANY young prospects turn out to be good recently, yet the highest regarded one of them all in Hermida looks like a complete bust as of now.

I think you missed this part at the end of your post...

 

...in the field

 

Yeah, but their isn't a DH in the NL last I checked, and even with his moderate improvement at the plate this year, he's still at a .775 OPS (and that's due to a recent hot streak) while having twice as many k's as walks. Going to have to do much better than that if you can't field.

Meh x infiniti

 

He's 23, still in his first 600 major league at bats and is "struggling" to a .775 OPS. People seem to expect way too much out of the young prospects these days. If they aren't Hanley Ramirez, they are busts... as opposed to just young prospects getting acquainted to the game

 

Repeat after me.

 

23.

 

23.

 

he's twenty three.

It's weird to me that the Marlins have had SO MANY young prospects turn out to be good recently, yet the highest regarded one of them all in Hermida looks like a complete bust as of now.

I think you missed this part at the end of your post...

 

...in the field

 

Yeah, but their isn't a DH in the NL last I checked, and even with his moderate improvement at the plate this year, he's still at a .775 OPS (and that's due to a recent hot streak) while having twice as many k's as walks. Going to have to do much better than that if you can't field.

Meh x infiniti

 

He's 23, still in his first 600 major league at bats and is "struggling" to a .775 OPS. People seem to expect way too much out of the young prospects these days. If they aren't Hanley Ramirez, they are busts... as opposed to just young prospects getting acquainted to the game

 

Repeat after me.

 

23.

 

23.

 

he's twenty three.

 

Hey I wasn't even saying he's a bust yet, I'm just saying it's weird the highest regarded player of the crop is the one having so much trouble adjusting to the highest level. Watching him at the plate, I think he'll turn out to be an above average offensive player, but I can't see any senario where his defense improves to even close to an average level, especially when half of his games are played in that giant outfield.

 

That's obviously not a bust, and 23 is still young, but he still has a ton of issues, and when you've played a little over a full season of MLB ball and still are one of the worst OF's in the game defensively, I'm not sure how much better you can get. He looks like he can hit though, so it could be worse. And yes, I know your tired of the witch hunters of Hermida around here, and I'm not one of them. Just giving my personal opinion, it's been wrong before.

Repeat after me.

 

23.

 

23.

 

he's twenty three.

My guess is that about half, maybe a little more, of star hitters were already good by age 23 so in my mind that raises some doubts about Hermida's future. Maybe he'll be a late bloomer or maybe he'll never be a star. I have no idea and because of that I disagree with you in that I don't think the HoF should waive it's waiting period requiremtns for Hermida.

Hey I wasn't even saying he's a bust yet

Hermida looks like a complete bust as of now.