I think Jeremy's ego was boosted by his offensive play on the road and was just trying to make a name for himself by getting on the Top Ten Plays. Big mistake on his part.

that's completely ridiculous to believe

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Those are our fans.

Disagree hanley. His job was to keep that ball in front of him. Especially vs a pitcher that isn't going to give up alot of runs to us. I wasn't at this game so I didn't see the whole picyure, but it looked to me that The Amazing wasn't backing him up the way he should have. He was late coming into the picture. Which tells me two things. The Amazing is also to blame. And The Amazing assumed Hermida wasn't going to dive for it.

I think Jeremy's ego was boosted by his offensive play on the road and was just trying to make a name for himself by getting on the Top Ten Plays. Big mistake on his part.

If the CF can get there he should be in front with the RF backing him up, but that ball was a line drive to RF, no way AA was gonna get behind Hermida. It was Hermida's ball to stop if he couldn't catch it (and he couldn't catch it).

The only thing I can say I prefered about Girardi was that he had no issues setting high goals for the team. He said from day one what would constitute a successful season, and it wasn't developing for next year, winning a batting title, or setting a club record for HRs and Runs Scored. He said it was to win the World Series, and I really don't think Fredi sees it that way, nor does he present that to the team. And while in a lot of ways I understand not looking at that as a realistic goal for the team, it really should be. The Mets haven't run away with the division like last season, we have a powerful (if relatively inconsistent) offense and a solid bullpen. Yes we have SP issues, that in part, I think grow out of our poor defense. At the very least we know D-Train is capable of better. Whether or not you think 05 was the "real" Dontrelle, the fact that it happened proved that it can happen.

 

Mostly I think though an attitude of the team's record not mattering leads to crap like we saw in today's game: Hanley just slowing down and stopping to watch a ground ball go right past him into LF (in the 1st I think). I get the fact that his shoulder is hurt, and I'm not asking him to dive on it, but a tleast run at the thing and reach down with your glove. And do we even need to discuss Hermida. Someone needs to get it through to him that he is not that good defensively and that on defense, in the 1st inning, he should not be taking stupid risks diving for a ball he isn't sure he can reach. he turned a single into a triple with that move, which led to us giving up the go ahead run, and the team never recovered. And I think it's naive to think that giving up a run like that in the 1st inning doesn't affect how the team plays.

 

the reason that he tried to dive for it was because it was in the 1st inning and its early in the game so you can afford to give up an extra base hit if you mess up. but this is hermida we're talking about, and he's always gonna mess up, so it bothers that he tries to make gold glove plays that he clearly cannot and won't for a long time. the biggest concern i have though is that i'm really not sure if fredi is good at or even tries at all to make the players understand that those types of things just have to unacceptable.

Disagree hanley. His job was to keep that ball in front of him. Especially vs a pitcher that isn't going to give up alot of runs to us. I wasn't at this game so I didn't see the whole picyure, but it looked to me that The Amazing wasn't backing him up the way he should have. He was late coming into the picture. Which tells me two things. The Amazing is also to blame. And The Amazing assumed Hermida wasn't going to dive for it.

I think Jeremy's ego was boosted by his offensive play on the road and was just trying to make a name for himself by getting on the Top Ten Plays. Big mistake on his part.

 

i think we do agree. i agree that it was his job to keep the ball in front of him. definitely. but then i'm saying the problem was that hermida somehow actually thought in some way he could reach the ball and actually catch it. hahahahaha. hopefully he realizes the current limitations he has in the field and never makes a play like that again, and continues his league avg ops like the superstar he is.

The only thing I can say I prefered about Girardi was that he had no issues setting high goals for the team. He said from day one what would constitute a successful season, and it wasn't developing for next year, winning a batting title, or setting a club record for HRs and Runs Scored. He said it was to win the World Series, and I really don't think Fredi sees it that way, nor does he present that to the team. And while in a lot of ways I understand not looking at that as a realistic goal for the team, it really should be. The Mets haven't run away with the division like last season, we have a powerful (if relatively inconsistent) offense and a solid bullpen. Yes we have SP issues, that in part, I think grow out of our poor defense. At the very least we know D-Train is capable of better. Whether or not you think 05 was the "real" Dontrelle, the fact that it happened proved that it can happen.

 

Mostly I think though an attitude of the team's record not mattering leads to crap like we saw in today's game: Hanley just slowing down and stopping to watch a ground ball go right past him into LF (in the 1st I think). I get the fact that his shoulder is hurt, and I'm not asking him to dive on it, but a tleast run at the thing and reach down with your glove. And do we even need to discuss Hermida. Someone needs to get it through to him that he is not that good defensively and that on defense, in the 1st inning, he should not be taking stupid risks diving for a ball he isn't sure he can reach. he turned a single into a triple with that move, which led to us giving up the go ahead run, and the team never recovered. And I think it's naive to think that giving up a run like that in the 1st inning doesn't affect how the team plays.

 

the reason that he tried to dive for it was because it was in the 1st inning and its early in the game so you can afford to give up an extra base hit if you mess up. but this is hermida we're talking about, and he's always gonna mess up, so it bothers that he tries to make gold glove plays that he clearly cannot and won't for a long time. the biggest concern i have though is that i'm really not sure if fredi is good at or even tries at all to make the players understand that those types of things just have to unacceptable.

 

I think Jeremy's ego was boosted by his offensive play on the road and was just trying to make a name for himself by getting on the Top Ten Plays. Big mistake on his part.

 

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I think Jeremy's ego was boosted by his offensive play on the road and was just trying to make a name for himself by getting on the Top Ten Plays. Big mistake on his part.

that's completely ridiculous to believe

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Those are our fans.

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BroncoBob, I just don't get you sometimes. You seem to have a good brain, but you forget to use it when analyzing players who've fallen from your good graces. You let your irrational dislike of certain players cause you to stop thinking. Do you really believe that about Hermida? I mean really?

 

On a side note, when Hermida was coming up through our system, he was regarded as plus defender. What happened?

On a side note, when Hermida was coming up through our system, he was regarded as plus defender. What happened?

 

 

Wouldn't be suprirsed if it's phsycological.

 

Messed up so he's now trying too hard not to mess up, and when you try too hard, you mess up even more. Would also explain at all of his stupid dives, "Make a good play here to make up for my bad play before." Though I actually point the the later of him just being aggressive like most young ballplayers are.

On a side note, when Hermida was coming up through our system, he was regarded as plus defender. What happened?

I guess it depends who you listened to. I remember a scouting report saying Jeremy didn't put enough emphasis on his defense or something to that effect. I also remember Hutton saying what a great defender Jeremy was.

On a side note, when Hermida was coming up through our system, he was regarded as plus defender. What happened?

 

 

Wouldn't be suprirsed if it's phsycological.

 

Messed up so he's now trying too hard not to mess up, and when you try too hard, you mess up even more. Would also explain at all of his stupid dives, "Make a good play here to make up for my bad play before." Though I actually point the the later of him just being aggressive like most young ballplayers are.

Never a great outfielder but atleast average with plus potential... he has a very good arm as well

 

the problem is all mental at this point (imo)

 

it's almost like he can't win on any sinking liner hit to RF

 

if he comes in hard and misses, there's a great chance it means extra bases

 

if he lets the ball drop, he gets ripped for not going all out

 

I expect/hope/whatever that he will be much better in 2008 with a clear head

On a side note, when Hermida was coming up through our system, he was regarded as plus defender. What happened?

 

 

Wouldn't be suprirsed if it's phsycological.

 

Messed up so he's now trying too hard not to mess up, and when you try too hard, you mess up even more. Would also explain at all of his stupid dives, "Make a good play here to make up for my bad play before." Though I actually point the the later of him just being aggressive like most young ballplayers are.

It has to be psychological. He was an adequate defender last year. You just don't go from adequate to retarded(on defense) if it's based on physical ability alone. I hope he gets his head together. I feel sorry for the kid. Much like I felt sorry for Willy and his woeful defense last year. But at least he knew his limitations as he was getting used to the position, and this year he's arguably the team's best defender, or at least he's made tremendous progress. Hermida just seems to have his head messed up on. I can't explain it further. FWIW, BroncoBobs theory is as good as any. Who of us really know what's going through the kid's mind.

It's definitely a concern for the future, as I think Hermida needs all the AB's he can get to get better offensively, but his defensive woes could force Beinfest's hand and Jeremy may find himself on a platoon.