If Fredi had the same team (i.e. a starting 5 of a healthy Anibal, Ricky, Josh, Trelle, and Scotty) I think the record would've been extremely similar.

Similar to this year, or similar to the second-half of last season???

 

Similar to the entirety of last year.

 

It's nice to point at what the record was after 42 games or whatever, but the fact of the matter is the team did lose those games. the 11-31 still happened, despite what their record was after that fact.

I know the staff has been far from healthy but Gonzalez hasnt been good. His bullpen management is questionable, his in game moves suck (We need to play alot more small ball AKA bunt and hit and run alot more). I also thinks he needs to take a more hardline appraoch with the youngsters like Girardi did last yeat. The thing that bothers me the most, however, is the awful D that hasnt gotten any better (maybe the Perry Hill retirement has something to do with it). Overall, on D they seem sloppy, uncrisp ( like Hanley 2 said) and just flat out lacksidasical and I attribute that to the coach. Once again I know the staff has been far from healthy but the Marlins have looked pretty crappy in other areas as well and that is the responsibility of the manager to fix these problems. Idk if its me but for some odd reason hes begining to remind me of good old Wannstesdt and that spells trouble :lol

I know the staff has been far from healthy but Gonzalez hasnt been good. His bullpen management is questionable, his in game moves suck (We need to play alot more small ball AKA bunt and hit and run alot more). I also thinks he needs to take a more hardline appraoch with the youngsters like Girardi did last yeat. The thing that bothers me the most, however, is the awful D that hasnt gotten any better (maybe the Perry Hill retirement has something to do with it). Overall, on D they seem sloppy, uncrisp ( like Hanley 2 said) and just flat out lacksidasical and I attribute that to the coach. Once again I know the staff has been far from healthy but the Marlins have looked pretty crappy in other areas as well and that is the responsibility of the manager to fix these problems. Idk if its me but for some odd reason hes begining to remind me of good old Wannstesdt and that spells trouble :lol

 

I wonder if it being the fact that last year the rookies flat out played harder because they knew that since they were rookies, they could easily be replaced. This year there was little to no competition for starting positions in spring training, and they feel as if there is not any pressure to play hard, because they know the organization has no one better than them at present to play in those spots.

 

Any thoughts ?

I know the staff has been far from healthy but Gonzalez hasnt been good. His bullpen management is questionable, his in game moves suck (We need to play alot more small ball AKA bunt and hit and run alot more). I also thinks he needs to take a more hardline appraoch with the youngsters like Girardi did last yeat. The thing that bothers me the most, however, is the awful D that hasnt gotten any better (maybe the Perry Hill retirement has something to do with it). Overall, on D they seem sloppy, uncrisp ( like Hanley 2 said) and just flat out lacksidasical and I attribute that to the coach. Once again I know the staff has been far from healthy but the Marlins have looked pretty crappy in other areas as well and that is the responsibility of the manager to fix these problems. Idk if its me but for some odd reason hes begining to remind me of good old Wannstesdt and that spells trouble :lol

 

I wonder if it being the fact that last year the rookies flat out played harder because they knew that since they were rookies, they could easily be replaced. This year there was little to no competition for starting positions in spring training, and they feel as if there is not any pressure to play hard, because they know the organization has no one better than them at present to play in those spots.

 

Any thoughts ?

Ummmm what?

 

Nobody likes making errors. Nobody likes striking out. Nobody likes leaving the bases loaded. Nobody likes giving up homeruns. Everyone single player wants to get a hit in every at bat. every pitcher wants to go late into games and give up no hits.

 

No one had to compete in ST besides in CF because all the positions were won from the year previous to that.

Girardi > Fredi

 

Most of the grief Girardi took from this message board was caused by a HORRIBLE performing bullpen. And LOL @ anyone who tells me he didnt "manage" the horrible bullpen correctly. The bullpen sucked, they blew lots of games. Next.

 

 

 

But I still stand by my claim that managers have very little to do with the outcome of baseball games.

 

Or should I say their impact is overrated..........

 

 

Besides, would a manager thread be a manager thread if I didnt post?

 

 

I think not.

 

; )

and yet about 90% of the team hated Joe last year

 

but maybe that's what they need... someone to hate

 

yes. i don't think "hate" is good, but the purpose isn't for the players to like the manager. all they need is to respect the manager and play as hard as they can for him. i'm sure girardi irritated just about everybody, but they respected him and they got results after their initial learning period. i'm sure this year the guys respect fredi and they like him and the lighter atmosphere a lot more as they have said. but if you dont perform as well, that could very well be a sign that the stricter atmosphere is needed for all of these young guys.

 

i know fredi's had it really really rough for his first year. the dl time this team has put up between key players and pitchers is mind boggling. and i know people are always too quickly calling for the manager's head, including yours truly, but, even with all that, this team for the most part has been competitive, and played up to the competition when they face a tougher team, especially on the road. and even with all the injuries and bad bounces, they have been in a position to win a lot of the games they've played.

 

aside from his poor in-game decisions and lineup fiascos (did he really hit olivo 6th 2 nights in a row or was that a nightmare?), i'm much more deeply concerned with the sloppy play they occasionally come out with and the habits they could develop as a result. if they can play lackluster baseball on occasion and not hear it from the manager, they're gonna continue to do it. it's not just managing these guys; at this point in their careers the manager is also helping to mold them into the types of players theyre gonna be. i'm not saying fredi should go john turturro a la billy martin on them. but don't you think he needs to do things to get the message across?

Most of all, remember that there's not a statistic out there that will tell you who the best pitcher/batter is.

False.

 

WARP3 is a great "catch-all" tool that can tell you have many wins above a AAA player a player has been worth in any given year. Win Shares is another one. Good old OPS+ can do a pretty good job of telling you who the best hitter is.

 

If a pitcher has a low era and a high WHIP that doesn't mean he's not having a good year, it just means that he's due to see his ERA rise.

To measure offense you may want to stick to OBP, SLG, RISP OBP, RISP SLG and then throw in a touch of games played and / or PAs to take durability into account.

 

You don't need to go into these ridiculous stats with really cool names that don't really measure what the really cool names say they do. Look past the really cool names and look at the damn formulas.

 

Two of the stats you mentioned don't matter because they are based on really small sample sizes that are subject to fluctuation year to year.

 

WARP3 takes into account everything a player does on offense (Singles, Doubles, Triples, Homers, Sac flies, Double plays, stolen bases, caught stealing, etc.) and defense, and then calculates each part's value based on how many runs each one gives you. It is then converted into a format that gives you a pretty good indicator of how many wins above a AAA replacement player (Todd Linden) a given player is worth.

 

How does this not measure what it says it measures? Did you even look up WARP3 before posting that response?

Everyday players get around 200 RISP PAs per season so I have no idea how you just blow off a player's production with RISP due to a small sample size or because of yearly fluctuations.

 

The 200 PAs does not constitute a small sample size and the yearly fluctuations occur because these guys are not robots and because of it their yearly production will vary (and not because of luck, as you claim).

 

Regarding WARP3, you ought to know that just because the name in a formula says the formula is called "Wins Above Replacement Player" it doesn't mean that's what the formula measures. Go get the formula and prove it.

 

Really I'm just curious about this damned WARP3 formula now, and too lazy here at work to look it up. BOBBOB?!?

sorry in advance...

 

warp-1

warp-2

warp-3

 

gotta read em in order

sorry in advance...

 

warp-1

warp-2

warp-3

 

gotta read em in order

Thanks RAMP but those links DO NOT provide the formulas.

 

The links merely provide a description of what the formula supposedly measures.

 

Only a dumb person would assume that the formula measures what it supposedly measures, in my opinion.

sorry in advance...

 

warp-1

warp-2

warp-3

 

gotta read em in order

Thanks RAMP but those links DO NOT provide the formulas.

 

The links merely provide a description of what the formula supposedly measures.

 

Only a dumb person would assume that the formula measures what it supposedly measures, in my opinion.

 

f***ing baseball prospectus trying to f***ing mislead people with their fake stats.

 

They keep their WARP Formula pretty well hidden, though I did manage to find the formula to EQA, which is another stat that was created by BP, and as far as I know, WARP takes EQA into account when accounting for offense, so this should give you an idea of where they are going:

 

H + TB + 1.5 (BB+HBP) + SB + SH + SF
-----------------------------------------------
AB + BB + HBP + SH + SF + CS + SB/3

WARP then factors in park factors, era of play, and defense.

Ok bobbob, by now it's obvious you have no clue how the WARP stat is calculated and I find this surprising given that you hang your hat on it about 11 times a day. You've been asked on two occassions to provide the formula and the best could do was to come up with another formula that may or may not be incorporated in the WARP formula? That's pretty weak.

Ok bobbob, by now it's obvious you have no clue how the WARP stat is calculated and I find this surprising given that you hang your hat on it about 11 times a day. You've been asked on two occassions to provide the formula and the best could do was to come up with another formula that may or may not be incorporated in the WARP formula? That's pretty weak.

 

They don't have the formula on the website. I gave you a statistic that they do incorporate into WARP, and which gives you at least a basic understanding of how they would calculate it. I'm looking through my baseball prospectus book now to see if maybe they have it somewhere there, but thus far I have had little success.

 

I'm not sure me not knowing the formula means I can't use it. I don't have even a basic grasp of how my car runs, does that mean I can't use it?

Ok bobbob, by now it's obvious you have no clue how the WARP stat is calculated and I find this surprising given that you hang your hat on it about 11 times a day. You've been asked on two occassions to provide the formula and the best could do was to come up with another formula that may or may not be incorporated in the WARP formula? That's pretty weak.

 

They don't have the formula on the website. I gave you a statistic that they do incorporate into WARP, and which gives you at least a basic understanding of how they would calculate it. I'm looking through my baseball prospectus book now to see if maybe they have it somewhere there, but thus far I have had little success.

 

I'm not sure me not knowing the formula means I can't use it. I don't have even a basic grasp of how my car runs, does that mean I can't use it?

You gave a formula that may or may not be in the WARP formula.

 

In other words, you gave nothing.

 

Provide the damn formula you live by.

 

How can you put so much weight on a formula you're so clueless about?

 

Makes no sense to me.

Thanks RAMP but those links DO NOT provide the formulas.

 

The links merely provide a description of what the formula supposedly measures.

 

Only a dumb person would assume that the formula measures what it supposedly measures, in my opinion.

 

I'm pretty certain Baseball Prospectus keeps certain formulas fairly close guarded because they're a subscription-based website that relies on having information no other website has. If these things were available at any website, the need for people like me to subscribe to Baseball Prospectus would be pretty low. First off, let me say that I definitely have run into some issues with Baseball Prospectus stats like VORP and WARP (primarily with their projected VORPs for upcoming seasons) in the statistical analysis I do for my organization and individual research. That said, they are normally still way above most other stats you can find out there, and they still do the job if you're looking to compare actual performances. You don't need the formula per say as long as you understand the concept behind a stat like FRAA. Moreover, you can still assess the significance of say a 1.0 difference between 2 players WARP stats or the significance of WARP altogether by using statistical tools such as z-scores and regression analysis. Most of the time, people are not going to be willing to put in the extra effort to do this for every single comparison (myself included) but the stats alone ought to function as an adequate heuristic for informed discussion, which is what I think this forum is about, rather than some sort of online statistical seminar where we just spend all day nitpicking at each other's statistics.

 

Besides, some of the concepts that stats like WARP are based on (~10 runs = 1 extra win) have been shown through so many different ways that it's hard to find evidence to the contrary. Really, it's fascinating how much the 10 runs/1 win concept pops up all over analysis and simple algebra can show you this pretty easily.

Thanks RAMP but those links DO NOT provide the formulas.

 

The links merely provide a description of what the formula supposedly measures.

 

Only a dumb person would assume that the formula measures what it supposedly measures, in my opinion.

 

I'm pretty certain Baseball Prospectus keeps certain formulas fairly close guarded because they're a subscription-based website that relies on having information no other website has. If these things were available at any website, the need for people like me to subscribe to Baseball Prospectus would be pretty low. First off, let me say that I definitely have run into some issues with Baseball Prospectus stats like VORP and WARP (primarily with their projected VORPs for upcoming seasons) in the statistical analysis I do for my organization and individual research. That said, they are normally still way above most other stats you can find out there, and they still do the job if you're looking to compare actual performances. You don't need the formula per say as long as you understand the concept behind a stat like FRAA. Moreover, you can still assess the significance of say a 1.0 difference between 2 players WARP stats or the significance of WARP altogether by using statistical tools such as z-scores and regression analysis. Most of the time, people are not going to be willing to put in the extra effort to do this for every single comparison (myself included) but the stats alone ought to function as an adequate heuristic for informed discussion, which is what I think this forum is about, rather than some sort of online statistical seminar where we just spend all day nitpicking at each other's statistics.

 

Besides, some of the concepts that stats like WARP are based on (~10 runs = 1 extra win) have been shown through so many different ways that it's hard to find evidence to the contrary. Really, it's fascinating how much the 10 runs/1 win concept pops up all over analysis and simple algebra can show you this pretty easily.

I like to look at a formula and understand it before using it.

 

The guy who invented the WARP formula likely had a concept of what he wanted the formula to measure but that doesn't mean the formula accurately measures what he intended. People screw-up every now and then. Perhaps he screwed-up in designing the formula.

 

I'll stick to OBP, SLG, RISP OBP, RISP SLG and a touch of PAs and games played to account for durability to measure players and stay away from stats whose formulas I don't understand or disagree with or can't find (as with WARP). I'll bet WARP takes into account the stats I mentioned above but I don't know for sure.

Ok bobbob, by now it's obvious you have no clue how the WARP stat is calculated and I find this surprising given that you hang your hat on it about 11 times a day. You've been asked on two occassions to provide the formula and the best could do was to come up with another formula that may or may not be incorporated in the WARP formula? That's pretty weak.

 

They don't have the formula on the website. I gave you a statistic that they do incorporate into WARP, and which gives you at least a basic understanding of how they would calculate it. I'm looking through my baseball prospectus book now to see if maybe they have it somewhere there, but thus far I have had little success.

 

I'm not sure me not knowing the formula means I can't use it. I don't have even a basic grasp of how my car runs, does that mean I can't use it?

You gave a formula that may or may not be in the WARP formula.

 

In other words, you gave nothing.

 

Provide the damn formula you live by.

 

How can you put so much weight on a formula you're so clueless about?

 

Makes no sense to me.

 

Mostly because I've read alot of Baseball Prospectus' website and books, and I generally agree with their conclusions, and especially the way they come to those conclusions.

 

Actually, hold on. I feel really stupid. I knew the basic formula the whole time, but since I couldn't actually find the "Formula" I conceded that I do not, in fact, know how it is calculated. This, I admit, was a mistake.

 

WARP is basically (EQR+FRAA)/10 (historically, it is divided by ten, but in today's era, when a run counts for less because it takes more runs to win a game, the number is closer to 9.5).

 

EQR = 5 * OUT * EQA^2.5

 

EQA, I already posted, but here it is again if you missed it:

 

H + TB + 1.5 (BB+HBP) + SB + SH + SF-----------------------------------------------AB + BB + HBP + SH + SF + CS + SB/3

As far as FRAR, which is the other half (or, more accurately, in most player's case, quarter of third) of the equation I'm not entirely sure. The Baseball Prospectus: Between The Numbers book, describes it as such:

 

The number of runs a fielder has saved for his team, above the worst semi-regular player at that position. Fielding Runs are determined by a complicated process that begins by seperating the team's defensive performance into pitching and fielding components. The team's fielding is seperated into catching, infield, and outfield portions; each of those is then split into seperate positions; finally, each position is split into all of the players who played there during the season. At each step, the player's defensive statistics are compared to standards defined by the league and modified by the team's pitching (strikeout's, baserunners allowed, groundball/flyball ratios). The best player at any position is usually around 20 runs- typically a little higher for skill positions like shortstop and catcher and a little lower for a first baseman or corner outfielder.

 

 

While obviously not perfect (doesn't account for how hard a ball was hit,or how the fielder was positioned), this seems like a generally effective fielding metric, as far as fielding metrics go, anyways.

 

 

I hope this gives you a better understanding of this system.

Thanks, bobbob.

 

The offensive portion of the formula gave me a headache.

 

The defensive portion of the formula seems like nothign more than nonsense.

 

Assuming the offensive portion is accurate then a third or a quarter of the calculation would still be worthless because of the defensive portion.

 

I think they would be better of taking the defensive portion out.

Thanks, bobbob.

 

The offensive portion of the formula gave me a headache.

 

The defensive portion of the formula seems like nothign more than nonsense.

 

Assuming the offensive portion is accurate then a third or a quarter of the calculation would still be worthless because of the defensive portion.

 

I think they would be better of taking the defensive portion out.

 

That is, essentially, VORP. VORP is an all offense stat that is based on a similar formula as WARP, but is expressed in cumulative runs, rather than wins. But it basically boils down to the same 1 to 10 ratio that equivalent runs does, if I'm not mistaken.

But I still stand by my claim that managers have very little to do with the outcome of baseball games.

 

Or should I say their impact is overrated..........

I don't really agree with the whole "Girardi > Fredi" part of your post but I'm 100% with you here. Unlike, say, football...the managerial strategy element of football is really not very big, and for the most part pretty much every manager makes the same decisions at the same time. I'm not sure if I can even think of an instance in which a game was won by one team "outmanaging" the other.

 

From afar at least it seems pretty clear that the difference between the 2006 and 2007 Marlins is that the starting pitching this year has been considerably worse than last year, to a degree that completely eliminates any of the small effects of a change in managers. Unless someone wants to make the case that this year's staff being worse and/or injured compared to last year is because of Fredi, and I don't really know how you could come to that conclusion.

But I still stand by my claim that managers have very little to do with the outcome of baseball games.

 

Or should I say their impact is overrated..........

I don't really agree with the whole "Girardi > Fredi" part of your post but I'm 100% with you here. Unlike, say, football...the managerial strategy element of football is really not very big, and for the most part pretty much every manager makes the same decisions at the same time. I'm not sure if I can even think of an instance in which a game was won by one team "outmanaging" the other.

 

 

I think you base your conclusion on only part of a manager's job. If we are talking about in game management, I agree; a good manager will maybe win you 2 or 3 more game during the course of a season. However, you are discounting intangibles. I would go so far as to argue that, in baseball, a manager's primary responsibility is to have his finger on the pulse of the team. A good manager knows what buttons to push and when to push them. It's clear Fredi is clueless in this respect, and I think his "cluelessness" has cost us any potential we had to have a good year. His "everything is ok" attitude seems to have spread throughout the clubhouse.

 

Girardi was no better a game manager than Fredi, but he was abrasive and hard-nosed enough to kick the crap out of our rookies when they needed it. They may not have liked him, but they played hard for him...and I don't know that I can say the same for Fredi.

But I still stand by my claim that managers have very little to do with the outcome of baseball games.

 

Or should I say their impact is overrated..........

I don't really agree with the whole "Girardi > Fredi" part of your post but I'm 100% with you here. Unlike, say, football...the managerial strategy element of football is really not very big, and for the most part pretty much every manager makes the same decisions at the same time. I'm not sure if I can even think of an instance in which a game was won by one team "outmanaging" the other.

 

From afar at least it seems pretty clear that the difference between the 2006 and 2007 Marlins is that the starting pitching this year has been considerably worse than last year, to a degree that completely eliminates any of the small effects of a change in managers. Unless someone wants to make the case that this year's staff being worse and/or injured compared to last year is because of Fredi, and I don't really know how you could come to that conclusion.

 

It's all about where you believe a manager to begin/end and a player's own motivation/focus to begin.

 

The more onus you place on the players to do everything the stronger that position becomes.

The only thing I can say I prefered about Girardi was that he had no issues setting high goals for the team. He said from day one what would constitute a successful season, and it wasn't developing for next year, winning a batting title, or setting a club record for HRs and Runs Scored. He said it was to win the World Series, and I really don't think Fredi sees it that way, nor does he present that to the team. And while in a lot of ways I understand not looking at that as a realistic goal for the team, it really should be. The Mets haven't run away with the division like last season, we have a powerful (if relatively inconsistent) offense and a solid bullpen. Yes we have SP issues, that in part, I think grow out of our poor defense. At the very least we know D-Train is capable of better. Whether or not you think 05 was the "real" Dontrelle, the fact that it happened proved that it can happen.

 

Mostly I think though an attitude of the team's record not mattering leads to crap like we saw in today's game: Hanley just slowing down and stopping to watch a ground ball go right past him into LF (in the 1st I think). I get the fact that his shoulder is hurt, and I'm not asking him to dive on it, but a tleast run at the thing and reach down with your glove. And do we even need to discuss Hermida. Someone needs to get it through to him that he is not that good defensively and that on defense, in the 1st inning, he should not be taking stupid risks diving for a ball he isn't sure he can reach. he turned a single into a triple with that move, which led to us giving up the go ahead run, and the team never recovered. And I think it's naive to think that giving up a run like that in the 1st inning doesn't affect how the team plays.

The only thing I can say I prefered about Girardi was that he had no issues setting high goals for the team. He said from day one what would constitute a successful season, and it wasn't developing for next year, winning a batting title, or setting a club record for HRs and Runs Scored. He said it was to win the World Series, and I really don't think Fredi sees it that way, nor does he present that to the team. And while in a lot of ways I understand not looking at that as a realistic goal for the team, it really should be. The Mets haven't run away with the division like last season, we have a powerful (if relatively inconsistent) offense and a solid bullpen. Yes we have SP issues, that in part, I think grow out of our poor defense. At the very least we know D-Train is capable of better. Whether or not you think 05 was the "real" Dontrelle, the fact that it happened proved that it can happen.

 

Mostly I think though an attitude of the team's record not mattering leads to crap like we saw in today's game: Hanley just slowing down and stopping to watch a ground ball go right past him into LF (in the 1st I think). I get the fact that his shoulder is hurt, and I'm not asking him to dive on it, but a tleast run at the thing and reach down with your glove. And do we even need to discuss Hermida. Someone needs to get it through to him that he is not that good defensively and that on defense, in the 1st inning, he should not be taking stupid risks diving for a ball he isn't sure he can reach. he turned a single into a triple with that move, which led to us giving up the go ahead run, and the team never recovered. And I think it's naive to think that giving up a run like that in the 1st inning doesn't affect how the team plays.

 

the reason that he tried to dive for it was because it was in the 1st inning and its early in the game so you can afford to give up an extra base hit if you mess up. but this is hermida we're talking about, and he's always gonna mess up, so it bothers that he tries to make gold glove plays that he clearly cannot and won't for a long time. the biggest concern i have though is that i'm really not sure if fredi is good at or even tries at all to make the players understand that those types of things just have to unacceptable.

The only thing I can say I prefered about Girardi was that he had no issues setting high goals for the team. He said from day one what would constitute a successful season, and it wasn't developing for next year, winning a batting title, or setting a club record for HRs and Runs Scored. He said it was to win the World Series, and I really don't think Fredi sees it that way, nor does he present that to the team. And while in a lot of ways I understand not looking at that as a realistic goal for the team, it really should be. The Mets haven't run away with the division like last season, we have a powerful (if relatively inconsistent) offense and a solid bullpen. Yes we have SP issues, that in part, I think grow out of our poor defense. At the very least we know D-Train is capable of better. Whether or not you think 05 was the "real" Dontrelle, the fact that it happened proved that it can happen.

 

Mostly I think though an attitude of the team's record not mattering leads to crap like we saw in today's game: Hanley just slowing down and stopping to watch a ground ball go right past him into LF (in the 1st I think). I get the fact that his shoulder is hurt, and I'm not asking him to dive on it, but a tleast run at the thing and reach down with your glove. And do we even need to discuss Hermida. Someone needs to get it through to him that he is not that good defensively and that on defense, in the 1st inning, he should not be taking stupid risks diving for a ball he isn't sure he can reach. he turned a single into a triple with that move, which led to us giving up the go ahead run, and the team never recovered. And I think it's naive to think that giving up a run like that in the 1st inning doesn't affect how the team plays.

 

the reason that he tried to dive for it was because it was in the 1st inning and its early in the game so you can afford to give up an extra base hit if you mess up. but this is hermida we're talking about, and he's always gonna mess up, so it bothers that he tries to make gold glove plays that he clearly cannot and won't for a long time. the biggest concern i have though is that i'm really not sure if fredi is good at or even tries at all to make the players understand that those types of things just have to unacceptable.

Disagree hanley. His job was to keep that ball in front of him. Especially vs a pitcher that isn't going to give up alot of runs to us. I wasn't at this game so I didn't see the whole picyure, but it looked to me that The Amazing wasn't backing him up the way he should have. He was late coming into the picture. Which tells me two things. The Amazing is also to blame. And The Amazing assumed Hermida wasn't going to dive for it.

I think Jeremy's ego was boosted by his offensive play on the road and was just trying to make a name for himself by getting on the Top Ten Plays. Big mistake on his part.

I think Jeremy's ego was boosted by his offensive play on the road and was just trying to make a name for himself by getting on the Top Ten Plays. Big mistake on his part.

that's completely ridiculous to believe