I mean, you cannot deny that many do use it in a very throwaway manner, which sets a double standard that is hard to reconcile with the majority of the community. I wouldn't say most, but many do toss it around without much regard for what it might mean. I'd say it's usage amongst african americans is probably as prevalent as the word "fag" for "dumb" is amongst white people.

Thats fine.

 

When you try to quantify something and blanket everyone with it, that's a stereotype.

 

My dad has never said that word (just the quickest example I can use), therefore his statement is false. I hate generalities.

I mean, you cannot deny that many do use it in a very throwaway manner, which sets a double standard that is hard to reconcile with the majority of the community. I wouldn't say most, but many do toss it around without much regard for what it might mean. I'd say it's usage amongst african americans is probably as prevalent as the word "fag" for "dumb" is amongst white people.

 

That's exactly what I was getting at.

 

Lighten up a little Fox. I didn't say that all African-Americans call each other the n-word, but the majority of my peers that are African-American do. It's in very poor taste, and I wish that things were different.

I mean, you cannot deny that many do use it in a very throwaway manner, which sets a double standard that is hard to reconcile with the majority of the community. I wouldn't say most, but many do toss it around without much regard for what it might mean. I'd say it's usage amongst african americans is probably as prevalent as the word "fag" for "dumb" is amongst white people.

 

That's exactly what I was getting at.

 

Lighten up a little Fox. I didn't say that all African-Americans call each other the n-word, but the majority of my peers that are African-American do. It's in very poor taste, and I wish that things were different.

:lol Says, the white guy in a conversation about minorities, namely black ones.

 

I couldn't lighten up more then I am right now.

 

What you just said is exactly why I called your statement ignorant. Equating what you know about a small group of people to a large group is exactly what a stereotype is. I just hate when people do that.

 

Pretty elementary.

 

I know 5 asians who are smart = all asians are smart.

I know 5 blacks who like chicken the most = all blacks like chicken the most.

 

etc. etc.

In all fairness, who doesn't like chicken the best?

 

For full disclosure, I am half white and half puerto rican. My best friends are black, italian, dominican, colombian, and a girl (He's actually a guy, but, you know). My family owned slaves at one point, as we were one of those aristocratic southern families. I'm not proud of that, but you know, whatever. It's nothing I can change.

 

My group of friends actually has a mini crisis as "my black friend" has a big problem with the casual usage of the n-word, and "my dominican friend" throws it around every other word. It's just a product of growing up in different places and having different influences around you during your life, that's all. It's part of the culture my dominican friend grew up in, and he can't help it.

In all fairness, who doesn't like chicken the best?

 

For full disclosure, I am half white and half puerto rican. My best friends are black, italian, dominican, colombian, and a girl (He's actually a guy, but, you know). My family owned slaves at one point, as we were one of those aristocratic southern families. I'm not proud of that, but you know, whatever. It's nothing I can change.

 

My group of friends actually has a mini crisis as "my black friend" has a big problem with the casual usage of the n-word, and "my dominican friend" throws it around every other word. It's just a product of growing up in different places and having different influences around you during your life, that's all. It's part of the culture my dominican friend grew up in, and he can't help it.

Since when is it part of one's culture to use the n-word? Your friend can stop using the n-word if he wanted to. Just like you would refrain from using any slang when being interviewed. It might slip once in a while, but after every other word? Give me a break.

Since when is it part of one's culture to use the n-word? Your friend can stop using the n-word if he wanted to. Just like you would refrain from using any slang when being interviewed. It might slip once in a while, but after every other word? Give me a break.

 

The fact that Chamillionare has a new music video that is basically protesting the "criminalization" of the n-word shows that it is obviously a part of at least some people's culture.

 

Essentially, it is his version of "Dude".

I mean, you cannot deny that many do use it in a very throwaway manner, which sets a double standard that is hard to reconcile with the majority of the community. I wouldn't say most, but many do toss it around without much regard for what it might mean. I'd say it's usage amongst african americans is probably as prevalent as the word "fag" for "dumb" is amongst white people.

 

That's exactly what I was getting at.

 

Lighten up a little Fox. I didn't say that all African-Americans call each other the n-word, but the majority of my peers that are African-American do. It's in very poor taste, and I wish that things were different.

:lol Says, the white guy in a conversation about minorities, namely black ones.

 

I couldn't lighten up more then I am right now.

 

What you just said is exactly why I called your statement ignorant. Equating what you know about a small group of people to a large group is exactly what a stereotype is. I just hate when people do that.

 

Pretty elementary.

 

I know 5 asians who are smart = all asians are smart.

I know 5 blacks who like chicken the most = all blacks like chicken the most.

 

etc. etc.

 

Says the guy, who hates generalities, but then has a sig embracing not only one but two major stereotypes :mischief

 

But seriously...I get your point but come on, saying that Dodge basically has an elementary line of thinking in this regard is ridiculous. Obviously he wasn't basing his statement only off of the friends he referenced. I'd say it's pretty well known considering you can hear it in many rap songs and just in passing listening to conversations.

It shouldn't matter if I'm white or not. You either agree or you don't Fox. Bringing up the fact that I'm white and I'm talking about touchy issues involving minorities holds no weight and means nothing to me. If I have to be black to even talk about black people using the n-word, that's ridiculous.

Says the guy, who hates generalities, but then has a sig embracing not only one but two major stereotypes :mischief

Not the same context. It was a joke made to me by a friend. I'll never give a comedian/artist sh*t for using a slur/stereotype/etc. for comedy. Fritz is afterall my e-comedian and if Dodge also was making a joke let me know and I'll take back what I've said and admit my error. I don't think he was though.

But seriously...I get your point but come on, saying that Dodge basically has an elementary line of thinking in this regard is ridiculous. Obviously he wasn't basing his statement only off of the friends he referenced. I'd say it's pretty well known considering you can hear it in many rap songs and just in passing listening to conversations.

Even if he based it on 200,000 people it is still a stereotype. Again, elementary stuff. Stereotypes are just so widely accepted and used that it's hard for people to think around them.

It shouldn't matter if I'm white or not. You either agree or you don't Fox. Bringing up the fact that I'm white and I'm talking about touchy issues involving minorities holds no weight and means nothing to me. If I have to be black to even talk about black people using the n-word, that's ridiculous.

100% didn't say that or mean that.

 

I just meant I found it a little bit funny when you, as a white guy, were telling a guy with a black parent that he should lighten up when you used a stereotype/made an ignorant statement.

I think we can all agree that it was a simple misunderstanding. We don't need to turn this into the big e-shitfest it is going to turn into. This has been a pretty enlightening discussion thus far.

Umm, yeah. It looks like it is a misunderstanding between Fox and I. I wish we (not Fox and I but people in general) could have a discourse on things like racism and racial-related stereotypes, and what points have merit and what don't, without people getting overly touchy.

 

I still can't see how by my saying that casual use of the n-word by African-Americans is degrading and is harmful is in the wrong on my part. Again I don't know what my race has anything to do with me saying something that we can overwhelmingly agree on; not to mention, completely ignoring stereotypes or steering clear of them in conversation will never, ever make them go away.

You don't get the problem of saying some stereotypes have roots in truth? Ugh.

 

The only time race has something to do with this discussion is when some people try to say what should or should not be taken offensively by another race. (Not saying that has occured here)

 

I don't know what bobbob is talking about with this being an e-sh*t fest. I don't see that at all and I'm not angry at all, some just get that impression from my posts because I have conviction and strong opinions.

What I'm trying to say is that stereotypes exist for a reason and it's important to look at them closely, not ignore them. I'm not saying that stereotypes are always, mostly, often, or even occasionally completely true. But there are some things that are worth discussing but instead, are written off as stereotypes and ignored or used to paint someone as a racist when they bring up the subject.

I'm just saying this has the potential to get ugly really quickly.

 

Quite frankly, I don't see what is wrong with saying stereotypes have roots in truth. They may not be representative of the group as a whole, and it is obviously unfair to group an entire type of people because of the actions of a few. Somebody saying all asians are smart because they know 5 asians who are smart is making a stereotype based on what is true to them. There is no absolute truth, there is only truth within your mind, and in this case, if I have limited experience dealing with black people and then I see a group of black people playing polo and drinking tea, I'd be liable to think that all black people do that, and that would have roots in truth, at least in my personal experience.

 

Obviously it isn't fair, but I don't think you can necesarily judge somebody because of that, it's natural.

I use 'fag' and 'gay' a lot because they're easier to say than 'n***a' and they roll off the tongue easier.

 

I agree with JJ's point to a large extent, though. It's pretty telling which words in this thread were blocked and which weren't.

Which of Fox's parents are black?(I refuse to use the term "African-American"...not a racial thing, just dont find that designation altogether suitable unless one has actually immigrated here from Africa. Born in the US, that phrase doesnt apply in my eyes). Enough of that rant.

 

No real reason, just wondering, as I have a friend whos mom was black and dad white, and you can hardly tell he is black at all, and others I know whos dads are black and moms white its the exact opposite. Always found it...quirky, although the sample size that I personally know is limited.