Having to pay for a random kid for graduating high school = lunacy.

 

I'd like someone to state reasons why I should have to do that.

 

Yes, exactly. It just seems to me like we're teetering more and more towards socialism and as a semi-Democrat it bothers me that my party is doing that ish.

I ate one just last night. Best meal I've had in ages.

:lol I like em with A-1.

Having to pay for a random kid for graduating high school = lunacy.

 

I'd like someone to state reasons why I should have to do that.

 

Yes, exactly. It just seems to me like we're teetering more and more towards socialism and as a semi-Democrat it bothers me that my party is doing that ish.

You defended government education grants. What is the difference?

 

Why should I have to pay for farmers? Why should I have to pay for the security of the Iraqi people? Why should I have to pay elderly people's health care? Is that all socialism?

 

You can frame anything in ways you want. Doesn't make the conclusions true.

Farmers actually give something back.

 

I just don't get why it is my responsibility to pay for someone else's responsibility.

 

Also, I don't get why other governement programs come in to the discussion. Just because something exists doesn't make it right and if a new program is based on an old, bad program, it doesn't justify it.

Let me put this another way. I pay for the University of Maryland via my state taxes. Some of you pay for the University of Florida. All state schools are cheaper because of taxpayer funding. Why should I pay for someone else's education through subsidies? Are all of you against these programs which are now socialism?

Having to pay for a random kid for graduating high school = lunacy.

 

I'd like someone to state reasons why I should have to do that.

 

Yes, exactly. It just seems to me like we're teetering more and more towards socialism and as a semi-Democrat it bothers me that my party is doing that ish.

You defended government education grants. What is the difference?

 

Why should I have to pay for farmers? Why should I have to pay for the security of the Iraqi people? Why should I have to pay elderly people's health care? Is that all socialism?

 

You can frame anything in ways you want. Doesn't make the conclusions true.

 

The difference is this proposal is just giving kids money out of high school to in all honesty be used at their discretion. How much of that money is really going to go to education and/or a home? Give me a break. You know the difference here and you can also do the typical democratic thing of comparing apples to oranges to make your point, but it doesn't change anything about this proposal, and it sure doesn't change that the proposal itself is asinine.

Farmers actually give something back?

 

Like what? I didn't get anything from them. They make me pay for my produce.

 

Also, I don't get why other governement programs come in to the discussion. Just because something exists doesn't make it right and if a new program is based on an old, bad program, it doesn't justify it.

Because it doesn't make it FRINGE and it doesn't make it lunacy and it doesn't mean we are going to become Communist Cuba.

Let me put this another way. I pay for the University of Maryland via my state taxes. Some of you pay for the University of Florida. All state schools are cheaper because of taxpayer funding. Why should I pay for someone else's education through subsidies? Are all of you against these programs which are now socialism?

As a country, we need places of higher learning. I have no problem with paying for that.

 

This isn't even on the same level.

Having to pay for a random kid for graduating high school = lunacy.

 

I'd like someone to state reasons why I should have to do that.

 

Yes, exactly. It just seems to me like we're teetering more and more towards socialism and as a semi-Democrat it bothers me that my party is doing that ish.

You defended government education grants. What is the difference?

 

Why should I have to pay for farmers? Why should I have to pay for the security of the Iraqi people? Why should I have to pay elderly people's health care? Is that all socialism?

 

You can frame anything in ways you want. Doesn't make the conclusions true.

 

The difference is this proposal is just giving kids money out of high school to in all honesty be used at their discretion. How much of that money is really going to go to education and/or a home? Give me a break. You know the difference here and you can also do the typical democratic thing of comparing apples to oranges to make your point, but it doesn't change anything about this proposal, and it sure doesn't change that the proposal itself is asinine.

 

I've already made my position this clear and I'll ask you the same question I asked Fox:

 

I'll tell you what, if this was a anything goes use it for whatever you want policy, I'll be totally against it. But if it is for college or home purchase, are you going to be for it? And if you aren't, tell me why that is different than Republican tax credits?

 

We don't know what the details of the program are going to be. I seriously doubt it is a handout. She just casually mentioned it and said it would be great to help people pay for education or purchasing a home. Im positive there would be limits to it. Her husband brought on welfare reform for goodness sake.

Let me put this another way. I pay for the University of Maryland via my state taxes. Some of you pay for the University of Florida. All state schools are cheaper because of taxpayer funding. Why should I pay for someone else's education through subsidies? Are all of you against these programs which are now socialism?

 

No that is different, when govt. funds directly go to financial aid and scholarships to people who are actually doing something with their life.

Let me put this another way. I pay for the University of Maryland via my state taxes. Some of you pay for the University of Florida. All state schools are cheaper because of taxpayer funding. Why should I pay for someone else's education through subsidies? Are all of you against these programs which are now socialism?

As a country, we need places of higher learning. I have no problem with paying for that.

 

This isn't even on the same level.

 

Why not? I can either pay my tax dollars to the school to make state college cheaper or I can pay my tax dollar to the student for the purposes of going to school to make state college cheaper. What's the difference?

Farmers actually give something back?

 

Like what? I didn't get anything from them. They make me pay for my produce.

 

Also, I don't get why other governement programs come in to the discussion. Just because something exists doesn't make it right and if a new program is based on an old, bad program, it doesn't justify it.

Because it doesn't make it FRINGE and it doesn't make it lunacy and it doesn't mean we are going to become Communist Cuba.

Now you're being moronic, famers give you the ability to purchase and have those goods.

 

That last statement is taking a leap I haven't even begun to make.

Let me put this another way. I pay for the University of Maryland via my state taxes. Some of you pay for the University of Florida. All state schools are cheaper because of taxpayer funding. Why should I pay for someone else's education through subsidies? Are all of you against these programs which are now socialism?

As a country, we need places of higher learning. I have no problem with paying for that.

 

This isn't even on the same level.

 

Why not? I can either pay my tax dollars to the school to make state college cheaper or I can pay my tax dollar to the student for the purposes of going to school to make state college cheaper. What's the difference?

Not everyone who graduates from high school goes to college. Simple.

Farmers actually give something back?

 

Like what? I didn't get anything from them. They make me pay for my produce.

 

Also, I don't get why other governement programs come in to the discussion. Just because something exists doesn't make it right and if a new program is based on an old, bad program, it doesn't justify it.

Because it doesn't make it FRINGE and it doesn't make it lunacy and it doesn't mean we are going to become Communist Cuba.

Now you're being moronic, famers give you the ability to purchase and have those goods.

 

That last statement is taking a leap I haven't even begun to make.

 

Students who get a high education go out and perform services via jobs that I purchase too.

Let me put this another way. I pay for the University of Maryland via my state taxes. Some of you pay for the University of Florida. All state schools are cheaper because of taxpayer funding. Why should I pay for someone else's education through subsidies? Are all of you against these programs which are now socialism?

As a country, we need places of higher learning. I have no problem with paying for that.

 

This isn't even on the same level.

 

Why not? I can either pay my tax dollars to the school to make state college cheaper or I can pay my tax dollar to the student for the purposes of going to school to make state college cheaper. What's the difference?

Not everyone who graduates from high school goes to college. Simple.

 

That's why you say this can only be used for college.

But it wasn't/isn't said, which is why there is no point in 'cleaning' it up because it suits your ideologies. You made something up to fit your stance that is outside the scope of this whole discussion.

 

Thats like me saying, "If we went in to the war and made it so not a single person died, It would have made it a perfect operation".

But it wasn't/isn't said, which is why there is no point in 'cleaning' it up because it suits your ideologies. You made something up to fit your stance that is outside the scope of this whole discussion.

 

Thats like me saying, well if we went in to the war and not one person died, it'd make it perfect.

Dirtying it up suits your idelogy too.

 

So therefore I can't have a nuanced policy? I can't say I opposte it if it is this, but support it if it is this? I've gotta go off the edge and call her a lunatic?

 

I made it clear that I would be against it if it was for any general use. Maybe I should I have said Hillary is a stupid c**t democrat who goes down on Hugo Chavez too.

Farmers actually give something back.

 

I just don't get why it is my responsibility to pay for someone else's responsibility.Also, I don't get why other governement programs come in to the discussion. Just because something exists doesn't make it right and if a new program is based on an old, bad program, it doesn't justify it.

then why are we paying for iraq?

Sixty percent (60%) of America?s Likely Voters oppose giving every child born in the United States a $5,000 savings bond, or ?baby bond.? A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 27% support the concept suggested on Friday by Senator Hillary Clinton.

 

You rightwingers can sleep well tonight.

 

The communists wont be taking your money to improve the education of America.

America, the richest nation on Earth, can easily afford this plan. Lots of young people, after finishing HS are forced into the work place due to lack of money, this would help.

 

Besides, it would be better to save 20billion a year for the future generations than to waste it on foriegn wars or pork politics, it also acts as a government run savings program.

What a novel concept, earning a living.

 

Anything government run will turn into a money-hole. This project would add to the list of useless things the government funds. How long after it's approved will you see other politicians talking about increasing the award? It will just start an endless cycle that will run away and become a bigger drain on the budget. I mean, 15-20 years down the road if this program becomes a huge mess, will either party of the cojones to suggest pulling the plug? Hell no.

Hilary can suck mah ballz. Gosh darn democrats

For the record, I don't care if we discuss this or not, but the possibilites of this ever happening are so remote even if she gets elected that it's probably not worth the time. Elections are built on false promises. Is it really worth discussing every single one? I'm not saying this because she's a democrat, because I don't support Hilary even a little bit. It just seems kind of pointless. But whatever...

Farmers actually give something back.

 

I just don't get why it is my responsibility to pay for someone else's responsibility.Also, I don't get why other governement programs come in to the discussion. Just because something exists doesn't make it right and if a new program is based on an old, bad program, it doesn't justify it.

then why are we paying for iraq?

So what are you saying? We are spending trillions in Iraq so why not spend billions and billions more elsewhere on top of that? Sounds like a great plan.

instead of spending trillions more in iraq...lets put that money in places in places where it will help people, not kill them...was it really that hard to decipher?

Sixty percent (60%) of America?s Likely Voters oppose giving every child born in the United States a $5,000 savings bond, or ?baby bond.? A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 27% support the concept suggested on Friday by Senator Hillary Clinton.

 

You rightwingers can sleep well tonight.

 

The communists wont be taking your money to improve the education of America.

I don't see how giving free money out improves education.

 

America, the richest nation on Earth, can easily afford this plan. Lots of young people, after finishing HS are forced into the work place due to lack of money, this would help.

 

Besides, it would be better to save 20billion a year for the future generations than to waste it on foriegn wars or pork politics, it also acts as a government run savings program.

Just because you have funds to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. I have the money to buy 100 Blu-Ray discs right now, doesn't mean it is the right thing or smart thing to spend my salary on.

 

I don't buy the lack of funds = no college for one second. If you put yourself in a good position to go to college, you can get there.