Brown has led to what exactly? Two seasons that have been absolute garbage?

 

The Saints did pretty well for themselves with that succession considering Ricky Williams isn't even in the league right now.

Brown's led to dick because he's been underutilized for most of his career. Also, the Saints have made the playoffs a grand total of 2 times since moving Ricky Williams? One year they were lit up in the first round and one year they made it to the NFC Championship purely on a gimmicky offense that has very obviously been figured out in year two. At least with Ronnie you have a guy whose skillset isn't reliant on gimmicks and has the physical ability to run behind a slightly below average to average run defense. Running back play hasn't been the issue with the Fins for the last half decade either. Fading defenses, back QB play, terrible secondaries, and poor drafts have contributed greatly.

My point is, your assertion that the Saints made a bad move by dealing Williams is absolutely retarded/made up.

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

but he also had anywhere from 47-80 catches a year when he was with indy

 

Absolutely. Which is why I said there's more to him than that. Ronnie is on pace for 80 catches this year, too...1000 receiving yards on 80 catches. Again, better than anything Marshall did. Can Ronnie keep it up? Who knows.

Devery Henderson.

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

Yeah, Marshall also went from being on a 3-13 team to perhaps one of the best football teams in the last 15 years. Of course his numbers will improve.

Obviously. That's not the point. A running back with a 3.8 ypc over 5 years (I just did the math) will not have the same value as a guy with an average over 5.0, who is also on a crappy team by the way. Ronnie Brown is on pace to destroy anything Marshall ever did with Indy.

You think it might be something about Marshall going from a team with a bad offensive line to a team with a great one with perhaps one of the best LTs of all time? I bet that doesn't make any difference at all.

 

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

Yeah, Marshall also went from being on a 3-13 team to perhaps one of the best football teams in the last 15 years. Of course his numbers will improve.

Obviously. That's not the point. A running back with a 3.8 ypc over 5 years (I just did the math) will not have the same value as a guy with an average over 5.0, who is also on a crappy team by the way. Ronnie Brown is on pace to destroy anything Marshall ever did with Indy.exactly why not to get rid of him

Oy, we're going in circles here. So you just disagree with my point that the Dolphins have a very low chance of contending in the next 4 years? Just say that. Please. Otherwise, you're not making any sense.

Seriously Lemon sucks

Cleo Lemon - now in SOURRR

Ouch. Lemon was intercepted.

Brown has led to what exactly? Two seasons that have been absolute garbage?

 

The Saints did pretty well for themselves with that succession considering Ricky Williams isn't even in the league right now.

Brown's led to dick because he's been underutilized for most of his career. Also, the Saints have made the playoffs a grand total of 2 times since moving Ricky Williams? One year they were lit up in the first round and one year they made it to the NFC Championship purely on a gimmicky offense that has very obviously been figured out in year two. At least with Ronnie you have a guy whose skillset isn't reliant on gimmicks and has the physical ability to run behind a slightly below average to average run defense. Running back play hasn't been the issue with the Fins for the last half decade either. Fading defenses, back QB play, terrible secondaries, and poor drafts have contributed greatly.

My point is, your assertion that the Saints made a bad move by dealing Williams is absolutely retarded/made up.

Who said the Saints made a bad move dealing Ricky? I hated that deal after Ricky's second year in Miami when it was pretty obvious he didn't give a damn about football. My only assertion was that dealing Ronnie in order to draft another running back would be retarded.

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

Yeah, Marshall also went from being on a 3-13 team to perhaps one of the best football teams in the last 15 years. Of course his numbers will improve.

Obviously. That's not the point. A running back with a 3.8 ypc over 5 years (I just did the math) will not have the same value as a guy with an average over 5.0, who is also on a crappy team by the way. Ronnie Brown is on pace to destroy anything Marshall ever did with Indy.

You think it might be something about Marshall going from a team with a bad offensive line to a team with a great one with perhaps one of the best LTs of all time? I bet that doesn't make any difference at all.

 

 

WTF? Of course it does. I'm talking about his trade value coming out of Indy versus Ronnie's potential trade value at the end of this year, and I'm saying that Ronnie has a very good chance of eclipsing Marshall's value. I am not criticizing Marshall as a player in any way; he's a HOF RB.

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

Yeah, Marshall also went from being on a 3-13 team to perhaps one of the best football teams in the last 15 years. Of course his numbers will improve.

Obviously. That's not the point. A running back with a 3.8 ypc over 5 years (I just did the math) will not have the same value as a guy with an average over 5.0, who is also on a crappy team by the way. Ronnie Brown is on pace to destroy anything Marshall ever did with Indy.exactly why not to get rid of him

Oy, we're going in circles here. So you just disagree with my point that the Dolphins have a very low chance of contending in the next 4 years? Just say that. Please. Otherwise, you're not making any sense.

i think if we actually draft well and pick up one or two good free agents, we have as much of a chance as anyone...the problem has been poor drafts=poor influx of young talent and our free agents havent performed to their abilities

That was some BS.

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

Yeah, Marshall also went from being on a 3-13 team to perhaps one of the best football teams in the last 15 years. Of course his numbers will improve.

Obviously. That's not the point. A running back with a 3.8 ypc over 5 years (I just did the math) will not have the same value as a guy with an average over 5.0, who is also on a crappy team by the way. Ronnie Brown is on pace to destroy anything Marshall ever did with Indy.exactly why not to get rid of him

Oy, we're going in circles here. So you just disagree with my point that the Dolphins have a very low chance of contending in the next 4 years? Just say that. Please. Otherwise, you're not making any sense.

i think if we actually draft well and pick up one or two good free agents, we have as much of a chance as anyone...the problem has been poor drafts=poor influx of young talent and our free agents havent performed to their abilities

 

And what major change at the top has made you think these poor drafts are going to stop?

Brown has led to what exactly? Two seasons that have been absolute garbage?

 

The Saints did pretty well for themselves with that succession considering Ricky Williams isn't even in the league right now.

Brown's led to dick because he's been underutilized for most of his career. Also, the Saints have made the playoffs a grand total of 2 times since moving Ricky Williams? One year they were lit up in the first round and one year they made it to the NFC Championship purely on a gimmicky offense that has very obviously been figured out in year two. At least with Ronnie you have a guy whose skillset isn't reliant on gimmicks and has the physical ability to run behind a slightly below average to average run defense. Running back play hasn't been the issue with the Fins for the last half decade either. Fading defenses, back QB play, terrible secondaries, and poor drafts have contributed greatly.

My point is, your assertion that the Saints made a bad move by dealing Williams is absolutely retarded/made up.

Who said the Saints made a bad move dealing Ricky? I hated that deal after Ricky's second year in Miami when it was pretty obvious he didn't give a damn about football. My only assertion was that dealing Ronnie in order to draft another running back would be retarded.exactly...its pretty obvious that those in favor of trading ronnie are looking to get mcfadden...when to me, its obvious that we have alot more glaring needs that should be sewn up first and foremost

Brown has led to what exactly? Two seasons that have been absolute garbage?

 

The Saints did pretty well for themselves with that succession considering Ricky Williams isn't even in the league right now.

Brown's led to dick because he's been underutilized for most of his career. Also, the Saints have made the playoffs a grand total of 2 times since moving Ricky Williams? One year they were lit up in the first round and one year they made it to the NFC Championship purely on a gimmicky offense that has very obviously been figured out in year two. At least with Ronnie you have a guy whose skillset isn't reliant on gimmicks and has the physical ability to run behind a slightly below average to average run defense. Running back play hasn't been the issue with the Fins for the last half decade either. Fading defenses, back QB play, terrible secondaries, and poor drafts have contributed greatly.

My point is, your assertion that the Saints made a bad move by dealing Williams is absolutely retarded/made up.

Who said the Saints made a bad move dealing Ricky? I hated that deal after Ricky's second year in Miami when it was pretty obvious he didn't give a damn about football. My only assertion was that dealing Ronnie in order to draft another running back would be retarded.

You asked what that trade led to, did you not?

 

It led to a lot more then I think it would have had they retained him. So if you weren't making the point that the move was bad, what was it? To randomly rail on the Saints?

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

Yeah, Marshall also went from being on a 3-13 team to perhaps one of the best football teams in the last 15 years. Of course his numbers will improve.

Obviously. That's not the point. A running back with a 3.8 ypc over 5 years (I just did the math) will not have the same value as a guy with an average over 5.0, who is also on a crappy team by the way. Ronnie Brown is on pace to destroy anything Marshall ever did with Indy.exactly why not to get rid of him

Oy, we're going in circles here. So you just disagree with my point that the Dolphins have a very low chance of contending in the next 4 years? Just say that. Please. Otherwise, you're not making any sense.

i think if we actually draft well and pick up one or two good free agents, we have as much of a chance as anyone...the problem has been poor drafts=poor influx of young talent and our free agents havent performed to their abilities

 

And what major change at the top has made you think these poor drafts are going to stop?

cam cameron? im not a mueller fan...but i think we had a good draft this past year...and hopefully cam is a good evaluater of defensive players for this upcoming draft...because that is our need

That 7-yd reception by LJ puts him up to 0 passing yards. Another punt by KC.

Well, maybe you're right. I'm just talking if Ronnie puts up a sick season, like he's on pace to do. Like 2500 total yards.

 

Marshall was really not that great with Indy, and TO had behavior problems. Those aren't really fair comparisons.

Marshall was that great in Indy, he just wasn't on a glamor team like the Rams were for a few years.

 

I think he averaged under 4.0 yards a carry in Indy. That's not good. I know there's more to Marshall than that, but his value was nowhere near what it reached in St. Louis.

Yeah, Marshall also went from being on a 3-13 team to perhaps one of the best football teams in the last 15 years. Of course his numbers will improve.

Obviously. That's not the point. A running back with a 3.8 ypc over 5 years (I just did the math) will not have the same value as a guy with an average over 5.0, who is also on a crappy team by the way. Ronnie Brown is on pace to destroy anything Marshall ever did with Indy.exactly why not to get rid of him

Oy, we're going in circles here. So you just disagree with my point that the Dolphins have a very low chance of contending in the next 4 years? Just say that. Please. Otherwise, you're not making any sense.

i think if we actually draft well and pick up one or two good free agents, we have as much of a chance as anyone...the problem has been poor drafts=poor influx of young talent and our free agents havent performed to their abilities

 

And what major change at the top has made you think these poor drafts are going to stop?

cam cameron? im not a mueller fan...but i think we had a good draft this past year...and hopefully cam is a good evaluater of defensive players for this upcoming draft...because that is our need

 

This was not a good draft. Satele's the only player to have come out that looks promising. Ginn was a disgusting reach, Booker was a waste since Cam holds him back for his boy Chatman and on and on, if Cam keeps playing favorites, we're in for a long 4 years.

When did this turn into baseball? Who trades 25 year old franchise running backs for players who could be good or not. Just stop talking about it because it's never going to happen.