June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino.
June 17, 200818 yr I think Andino has a future with the franchise. I don't know how good his defense actually is but it's always been talked up. And if you can play good defense at SS, you can generally play good defense anywhere. Alfredo Amezaga is going to be off the team in a few years, and by that time Andino will be entering his prime. If he's able to play good defense and put up a ~.700 OPS (which is definitely possible in his prime), he'd be a valueable bench player, that's basically what AA is (Although I doubt Andino will be as good with the glove)
June 17, 200818 yr I think Andino has a future with the franchise. I don't know how good his defense actually is but it's always been talked up. And if you can play good defense at SS, you can generally play good defense anywhere. Alfredo Amezaga is going to be off the team in a few years, and by that time Andino will be entering his prime. If he's able to play good defense and put up a ~.700 OPS (which is definitely possible in his prime), he'd be a valueable bench player. I was thinking something along the lines of Amezaga 2.0
June 17, 200818 yr no idea, Andino really hasn't even played. It looks like Fredi may want to stick with Canut at first and Helms at 3rd, its been working well. Idk where Jacobs would go though, and idk I like Ross but he just adds to her strikeout total if he doesnt get a home run.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol
June 17, 200818 yr I think Andino has a future with the franchise. I don't know how good his defense actually is but it's always been talked up. And if you can play good defense at SS, you can generally play good defense anywhere. Alfredo Amezaga is going to be off the team in a few years, and by that time Andino will be entering his prime. If he's able to play good defense and put up a ~.700 OPS (which is definitely possible in his prime), he'd be a valueable bench player, that's basically what AA is (Although I doubt Andino will be as good with the glove) Not that errors are the definitive indicator of good defensive, but I believe he made 30-some errors last season in the minors. I'm not entirely convinced that his defensive reputation is warranted. I'm also not convinced that he has the potential to put up a .700 OPS. I think his Carolina numbers are most indicative of his offensive capabilities, but he'll probably put up an OBP closer to .300-.310.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well. I actually liked the Detroit trade, to be honest, but everyone has a different opinion on the trade, b/c you never really know with prospects. As for Gregg...personally, as I've said for awhile now, I hope he's gone after the season, and I wouldn't mind if we trade him in July...for the right price. Gregg would be valuable come July b/c many teams will be looking for middle relievers. You think there's any chance of a Gregg (perhaps + another player) to Texas for Salty?
June 17, 200818 yr No way. It would take a decent starting pitcher at least. Unless that's what you mean by the other player... Either way, Gregg wouldn't be a centerpiece.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted Wladimir Balentein on this team in the offseason and I still do. Sherrill would've been nice too.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well. I actually liked the Detroit trade, to be honest, but everyone has a different opinion on the trade, b/c you never really know with prospects. As for Gregg...personally, as I've said for awhile now, I hope he's gone after the season, and I wouldn't mind if we trade him in July...for the right price. Gregg would be valuable come July b/c many teams will be looking for middle relievers. You think there's any chance of a Gregg (perhaps + another player) to Texas for Salty? Why would Texas want Gregg when they have CJ Wilson who is two years younger and has converted 13/15 SVOs?
June 17, 200818 yr No way. It would take a decent starting pitcher at least. Unless that's what you mean by the other player... Either way, Gregg wouldn't be a centerpiece. Well, Texas is 1 game under .500. Their true weakness this year has been the relievers, really. The AL West isn't THAT tough...maybe if Texas can get hot... Who knows? They might become more interested in relievers, hoping to upgrade for a playoff run... Gregg would probably even close on that team. Plus, doesn't Texas have another "future catcher" in Max Ramirez? I don't know about now, but earlier in the year, Laird was getting way more playing time than Salty, anyways. I guess one can only hope. :confused
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well. I actually liked the Detroit trade, to be honest, but everyone has a different opinion on the trade, b/c you never really know with prospects. As for Gregg...personally, as I've said for awhile now, I hope he's gone after the season, and I wouldn't mind if we trade him in July...for the right price. Gregg would be valuable come July b/c many teams will be looking for middle relievers. You think there's any chance of a Gregg (perhaps + another player) to Texas for Salty? Why would Texas want Gregg when they have CJ Wilson who has converted 13/15 SVOs? + a 4.50 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP... really though, their bullpen is attrocious. Gregg could be their setup man. Plus, I just checked...Saltalamacchia only has 86 AB's all year...anyone know why he barely plays?
June 17, 200818 yr + a 4.50 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP... really though, their bullpen is attrocious. Gregg could be their setup man. Plus, I just checked...Saltalamacchia only has 86 AB's all year...anyone know why he barely plays? I think he was hurt to start the year or something like that
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well. I actually liked the Detroit trade, to be honest, but everyone has a different opinion on the trade, b/c you never really know with prospects. As for Gregg...personally, as I've said for awhile now, I hope he's gone after the season, and I wouldn't mind if we trade him in July...for the right price. Gregg would be valuable come July b/c many teams will be looking for middle relievers. You think there's any chance of a Gregg (perhaps + another player) to Texas for Salty? Why would Texas want Gregg when they have CJ Wilson who has converted 13/15 SVOs? + a 4.50 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP... really though, their bullpen is attrocious. Gregg could be their setup man. Plus, I just checked...Saltalamacchia only has 86 AB's all year...anyone know why he barely plays? Closers ERAs are pretty much irrelevant. Example: In 1992, Randy Meyers saved 38 games and had an ERA of 4.29.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well. I actually liked the Detroit trade, to be honest, but everyone has a different opinion on the trade, b/c you never really know with prospects. As for Gregg...personally, as I've said for awhile now, I hope he's gone after the season, and I wouldn't mind if we trade him in July...for the right price. Gregg would be valuable come July b/c many teams will be looking for middle relievers. You think there's any chance of a Gregg (perhaps + another player) to Texas for Salty? Why would Texas want Gregg when they have CJ Wilson who has converted 13/15 SVOs? + a 4.50 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP... really though, their bullpen is attrocious. Gregg could be their setup man. Plus, I just checked...Saltalamacchia only has 86 AB's all year...anyone know why he barely plays? Closers ERAs are pretty much irrelevant. Example: In 1992, Randy Meyers saved 38 games and had an ERA of 4.29. That just means they aren't "great" closers. Plus, even if you make that argument, Wilson's WHIP is pretty terrible for a reliever, thus far, this year. Really though...the question is...I wonder why Salty has only entered 25 games, with only 86 AB's this year...?
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well. I actually liked the Detroit trade, to be honest, but everyone has a different opinion on the trade, b/c you never really know with prospects. As for Gregg...personally, as I've said for awhile now, I hope he's gone after the season, and I wouldn't mind if we trade him in July...for the right price. Gregg would be valuable come July b/c many teams will be looking for middle relievers. You think there's any chance of a Gregg (perhaps + another player) to Texas for Salty? Why would Texas want Gregg when they have CJ Wilson who has converted 13/15 SVOs? + a 4.50 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP... really though, their bullpen is attrocious. Gregg could be their setup man. Plus, I just checked...Saltalamacchia only has 86 AB's all year...anyone know why he barely plays? Closers ERAs are pretty much irrelevant. Example: In 1992, Randy Meyers saved 38 games and had an ERA of 4.29. That just means they aren't "great" closers. Plus, even if you make that argument, Wilson's WHIP is pretty terrible for a reliever, thus far, this year. Really though...the question is...I wonder why Salty has only entered 25 games, with only 86 AB's this year...? When did we start talking about greatness? Both Gregg and Wilson are mediocre closers right now but while Gregg is likely at his ceiling right now, Wilson has room to grow and unlike Gregg, he's effective 95% of the time he pitches with a lead. Anyways... They're pretty high on Laird which is why I think Salty could be had for next to nothing right now.
June 17, 200818 yr No way. It would take a decent starting pitcher at least. Unless that's what you mean by the other player... Either way, Gregg wouldn't be a centerpiece. Well, Texas is 1 game under .500. Their true weakness this year has been the relievers, really. The AL West isn't THAT tough...maybe if Texas can get hot... Who knows? They might become more interested in relievers, hoping to upgrade for a playoff run... Gregg would probably even close on that team. Plus, doesn't Texas have another "future catcher" in Max Ramirez? I don't know about now, but earlier in the year, Laird was getting way more playing time than Salty, anyways. I guess one can only hope. :confused How does one game under .500 signify their desire to overpay for a somewhat mediocre relief pitcher? I don't follow your logic. There are 28 other teams for them to deal with. I swear the Marlins bias on this forum is at an all-time high.
June 17, 200818 yr Closers ERAs are pretty much irrelevant. Example: In 1992, Randy Meyers saved 38 games and had an ERA of 4.29. you could have just used Borowski from last year :lol
June 17, 200818 yr Closers ERAs are pretty much irrelevant. Example: In 1992, Randy Meyers saved 38 games and had an ERA of 4.29. you could have just used Borowski from last year :lol Good point. :lol
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. We should've taken advantage of Bavasi in Seattle. :lol I wanted to last season when the Marlins were talking about moving Dontrelle Willis. The mega-trade with Detroit was my least favorite scenario of what was discussed. While I acknowledge that the deal with the LA teams might not have actually been on the table, they nevertheless would have been better trading partners and warranted compromise. I wonder how much more could have been done if Gregg were thrown into the mix as well. I actually liked the Detroit trade, to be honest, but everyone has a different opinion on the trade, b/c you never really know with prospects. As for Gregg...personally, as I've said for awhile now, I hope he's gone after the season, and I wouldn't mind if we trade him in July...for the right price. Gregg would be valuable come July b/c many teams will be looking for middle relievers. You think there's any chance of a Gregg (perhaps + another player) to Texas for Salty? Why would Texas want Gregg when they have CJ Wilson who has converted 13/15 SVOs? + a 4.50 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP... really though, their bullpen is attrocious. Gregg could be their setup man. Plus, I just checked...Saltalamacchia only has 86 AB's all year...anyone know why he barely plays? Closers ERAs are pretty much irrelevant. Example: In 1992, Randy Meyers saved 38 games and had an ERA of 4.29. That just means they aren't "great" closers. Plus, even if you make that argument, Wilson's WHIP is pretty terrible for a reliever, thus far, this year. Really though...the question is...I wonder why Salty has only entered 25 games, with only 86 AB's this year...? When did we start talking about greatness? Both Gregg and Wilson are mediocre closers right now but while Gregg is likely at his ceiling right now, Wilson has room to grow and unlike Gregg, he's effective 95% of the time he pitches with a lead. Anyways... They're pretty high on Laird which is why I think Salty could be had for next to nothing right now. Ugh...then why not Gregg, when all their relievers except for Wilson...and perhaps "every day Eddie" are just...well, bad? Meh...
June 17, 200818 yr No way. It would take a decent starting pitcher at least. Unless that's what you mean by the other player... Either way, Gregg wouldn't be a centerpiece. Well, Texas is 1 game under .500. Their true weakness this year has been the relievers, really. The AL West isn't THAT tough...maybe if Texas can get hot... Who knows? They might become more interested in relievers, hoping to upgrade for a playoff run... Gregg would probably even close on that team. Plus, doesn't Texas have another "future catcher" in Max Ramirez? I don't know about now, but earlier in the year, Laird was getting way more playing time than Salty, anyways. I guess one can only hope. :confused How does one game under .500 signify their desire to overpay for a somewhat mediocre relief pitcher? I don't follow your logic. There are 28 other teams for them to deal with. I swear the Marlins bias on this forum is at an all-time high. a) I said, "I guess one can only hope." It's not as if I made this a rumor or something...as a Marlins fan, I can only hope for this, although chances are it won't happen. b) Calm down. Seems like every one of your posts lately, is bashing everyone on this board. If you don't like the "non-realists" on this board, why even post on here? It seems as if everyone is irritating you, everytime you post.
June 17, 200818 yr If we were able to trade Jason Vargas for 2 relievers who are capable of pitching in the big leagues...I wouldn't rule out a solid trade for Andino. Well, Vargas is a starting pitcher, arguably a slightly more valuable commodity. He was also a number two pick who played somewhat decently in 2005. Still, his minor league numbers aren't very good. If the Marlins can find another idiotic GM like Minaya they can probably get something for him. I wouldn't count on it, though. It's also rather common to find "old" relievers doing well in AA. When we traded for Owens, he was in his first year in AA as a 27 year old, Lindstrom was in his second as a 26 year old. We also traded Bostick, who was coming off a rather decent year in AA as a 23 year old as a starter. With his K numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Bostick ended up becoming a decent reliever. And for as much as Lindstrom is talked up on this forum, he really is not that good. His WHIP last year was average (1.30) and this year his K numbers and WHIP have been going to hell. And for as nice as Owen's ERA was last year, his periphials weren't very good (although with his MILB K history, I'm think he'll definitely raise those K n umbers) I'm not saying we didn't get the better part of the deal, but I don't really think we completely ripped them off either. Vargas is a POS and Bostick isn't that good, but it's not like we got a Papelbon or Mo in return. Also, yes, Texas has a lot of catchers but their need is start pitching. We have a lot of starting pitching and our need is catcher. 1+1=2 but probably won't happen. I'd love for us to trade Tucker for Teagarden or Max since I personally don't think he'll stick as a starter, but I doubt it happens, and if Texas is going to trade for a starter they're going to want someone they know will stick at SP.
June 17, 200818 yr Author can we get back to thre thread. john gall is on fire. he is battin g360 alll of a sudden and his last 3 games are 5-5, 3-4, and then a 3-3 game. the man needs to be called up immediately
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