What is the policy or norms for teams going after another teams GM? Is it possible for a team to come in and offer Beinfest a deal that he cant refuse? Would we get compensation? Just thinking about how some larger market teams are going to have a GM vacancy and personally i think Admin would be a scary good GM when you combine a high dollar ammt. to be spent on payroll and his ability to find young talent. Thoughts?

We'd probably get compensation, yes; I'd have no problem with Michael Hill running the show either. Make your best offer, Seattle. :thumbup

Well, for starters the chances of that happening are slim to none. First, Beinfest is not the GM of the Marlins, he is VP of Baseball Operations which puts him responsible for the baseball side of the organization (by contrast Samson is the President, which puts him responsible for the business side of the organization). Michael Hill is the official GM.

 

With that, Beinfest signed a huge contract extension last summer which makes him one of the higher paid execs around. Taking a GM role on another team would not be a lateral move. Here he doesn't answer to anybody except Loria. That may not be the case elsewhere.

The expectations are so low here , the marlins finish 500 and Beinfest is hailed as a genius. if they really stink it is expected . beinfest cant lose here why would he want to leave he has is world series ring he is set

Seeing that he is under contract I believe any interested party would first have to ask the Marlins permission to talk with him. I'm not so sure they would grant that request. But maybe out of respect to him and what he has accomplished here. Whether or not he would accept another job...well...money talks.

Well, for starters the chances of that happening are slim to none. First, Beinfest is not the GM of the Marlins, he is VP of Baseball Operations which puts him responsible for the baseball side of the organization (by contrast Samson is the President, which puts him responsible for the business side of the organization). Michael Hill is the official GM.

 

With that, Beinfest signed a huge contract extension last summer which makes him one of the higher paid execs around. Taking a GM role on another team would not be a lateral move. Here he doesn't answer to anybody except Loria. That may not be the case elsewhere.

 

 

That is true on paper, although you got the title wrong. It's President of Baseball Operations (according to this year's media guide and the Marlins web site). But I don't think anything has really changed regarding who does the traditional GM duties. That position was "created" by the Marlins in order to give both nice raises and promotions. Also what it did do was more well define everyones' roles (plus it had Jim Flemming add on Asst GM to his title, for what that's worth). It took Samson completely out of the picture of any baseball personnel decisions and solely into the biz end of things. Something he is well qualified to do. Samson isn't exactly a people person, but he does have a good biz head on his shoulders.

And yet Samson is still in every baseball (personnel) related meeting the Marlins have.

And yet Samson is still in every baseball (personnel) related meeting the Marlins have.

That's because every decision that is made with this team has something to do with money.

 

I've heard from sources that he really doesn't have much to do with the decision making, though.

And yet Samson is still in every baseball (personnel) related meeting the Marlins have.

That's because every decision that is made with this team has something to do with money.

 

I've heard from sources that he really doesn't have much to do with the decision making, though.

 

 

Hes never struck me as aguy who knows much about baseball or someone who has a real passion for it. But what do i know. Oh yeah his voice annoys me.

That is true on paper, although you got the title wrong. It's President of Baseball Operations (according to this year's media guide and the Marlins web site). But I don't think anything has really changed regarding who does the traditional GM duties. That position was "created" by the Marlins in order to give both nice raises and promotions. Also what it did do was more well define everyones' roles (plus it had Jim Flemming add on Asst GM to his title, for what that's worth). It took Samson completely out of the picture of any baseball personnel decisions and solely into the biz end of things. Something he is well qualified to do. Samson isn't exactly a people person, but he does have a good biz head on his shoulders.

 

I thought he was "President" but I wasn't sure. Serves me right for not doing my normal "research."

 

The point I was trying to make, though, is that in the organizational hierarchy, Beinfest is higher than a GM, which means moving to another team would require either a "step down" or a role equal to the one here. Here I'm not sure if baseball has similar rules to football regarding what rights can or cannot be granted for moves that are not exactly "lateral" (i.e., coordinator to coach, or coach to manager), or that if you hire someone to a position that is higher than the one he presently holds, compensation is not needed (i.e., when the Cowboys took Jason Garrett from the Dolphins and made him an offensive coordinator because that position was "higher" than QB Coach -- even though the Cowboys had no head coach at the time). Guess, I should look into that.

That scary thought has already been considered. After all, Beinfest has been rumored with other teams in recent years and Hill, Fleming and Jennings have routinely make Baseball America's short list for future GMs. Last year's restructuring, and one can imagine raises, was intended to keep the team in place for a few more years.

That is true on paper, although you got the title wrong. It's President of Baseball Operations (according to this year's media guide and the Marlins web site). But I don't think anything has really changed regarding who does the traditional GM duties. That position was "created" by the Marlins in order to give both nice raises and promotions. Also what it did do was more well define everyones' roles (plus it had Jim Flemming add on Asst GM to his title, for what that's worth). It took Samson completely out of the picture of any baseball personnel decisions and solely into the biz end of things. Something he is well qualified to do. Samson isn't exactly a people person, but he does have a good biz head on his shoulders.

 

I thought he was "President" but I wasn't sure. Serves me right for not doing my normal "research."

 

The point I was trying to make, though, is that in the organizational hierarchy, Beinfest is higher than a GM, which means moving to another team would require either a "step down" or a role equal to the one here. Here I'm not sure if baseball has similar rules to football regarding what rights can or cannot be granted for moves that are not exactly "lateral" (i.e., coordinator to coach, or coach to manager), or that if you hire someone to a position that is higher than the one he presently holds, compensation is not needed (i.e., when the Cowboys took Jason Garrett from the Dolphins and made him an offensive coordinator because that position was "higher" than QB Coach -- even though the Cowboys had no head coach at the time). Guess, I should look into that.

 

That should read "in OUR orginazational hierarchy." But I did and still do get your point.

 

I'm not up on those rules either. But I doubt many teams have the type of system we have set up. Meaning the titles we have for our FO. And I say that because we just intiated those titles this past off season for our team. I see Admin as being a GM with a glorified title (which would make Mike Hill an Asst GM with a glorified title). So going to another team that dosen't have their FO set up like ours and being the GM there really wouldn't be a drop. I'm far too lazy, but if you are into looking into/up that type of thing... I would also like to know how Admin's salary compares to the salaries of GMs around the league. And compared to the salaries of guys with similar titles, not to mention how many teams are set up like ours. When trade talks are going on you never hear the talking heads mention the President of Baseball Operations of other teams, and you also never hear them talk about Mike Hill. Know what I mean??