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Mark McGwire may still refuse to talk about the past, but his little brother is apparently more than happy to spill the family secrets about performance-enhancing drugs.

 

Deadspin.com reported Wednesday that Jay McGwire has been shopping a book proposal to major publishing houses that claims he introduced the scandal-stained slugger to steroids and that he also used human growth hormone.

 

In the proposal for "The McGwire Family Secret," Jay McGwire says he used a $150,000 insurance settlement from a BB gun accident that cost him an eye to purchase steroids. Jay McGwire writes that Mark started juicing after watching his brother build himself into a 6-3, 320-pound professional bodybuilder.

 

According to Deadspin.com, Jay Mc-Gwire claims he introduced his brother to a steroid dealer shortly after he won a bodybuilding contest in May 1994. The supplier, who was also a trainer, explained how different drugs affected the body and answered his brother's questions.

 

In the proposal, Jay McGwire said his brother used low dosages of drugs so that he wouldn't become too bulky for baseball. Jay said Mark used Deca-Durabolin to recover from workouts and ease joint pain.

 

Source: New York Daily News

Always good to know you can at least trust family members. :banghead

 

Not condoning anything but what has this world come to?

maybe his brother is just trying to make a buck? Can't always trust what family members have to say

I'll stand by McGuire the same way I stand by Bonds on this issue. The guy hit 50 homers as a ROOKIE. He wasn't juicing then. He was a great hitter, regardless of steroids.

 

Like Mark Grace once said about Sammy Sosa: "It doesn't really matter to me whether or not he was on steroids. The only thing they could have done for Sammy was make his home runs go 500 feet instead of 450 feet." Same applies to McGuire IMO.

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I'll stand by McGuire the same way I stand by Bonds on this issue. The guy hit 50 homers as a ROOKIE. He wasn't juicing then. He was a great hitter, regardless of steroids.

 

Like Mark Grace once said about Sammy Sosa: "It doesn't really matter to me whether or not he was on steroids. The only thing they could have done for Sammy was make his home runs go 500 feet instead of 450 feet." Same applies to McGuire IMO.

I dont know how old you are but to those of us who remember Big Mac was about to be out of baseball after 2 horrible seasons in oakland,i beleive it was 93 and 94.He couldnt hit or stay healthy,and then all of a sudden he was superman...

As for Corky Sosa the same thing,he couldnt hit and then......he was a star

 

Bonds,Sosa,McGuire hopefully will never see even the front door of the Hall Of Fame...

Bonds was a hof before roids. Sosa and big mac not so much.

I'll stand by McGuire the same way I stand by Bonds on this issue. The guy hit 50 homers as a ROOKIE. He wasn't juicing then. He was a great hitter, regardless of steroids.

 

Like Mark Grace once said about Sammy Sosa: "It doesn't really matter to me whether or not he was on steroids. The only thing they could have done for Sammy was make his home runs go 500 feet instead of 450 feet." Same applies to McGuire IMO.

I dont know how old you are but to those of us who remember Big Mac was about to be out of baseball after 2 horrible seasons in oakland,i beleive it was 93 and 94.He couldnt hit or stay healthy,and then all of a sudden he was superman...

As for Corky Sosa the same thing,he couldnt hit and then......he was a star

 

Bonds,Sosa,McGuire hopefully will never see even the front door of the Hall Of Fame...

 

McGwire's WORST season in Oakland was an OPS+ of 103... and that was '91... yes he had his injury concerns... but like someone else (WildCard?) said, he hit nearly 50 HRs as a rookie... steroids don't PREVENT injuries, they actually increase the likelihood thereof. Sure, they help you recover faster... but if they were season enders, a la 93/94, steroids wouldn't have helped him then.

 

McGwire and Sosa saved baseball... and if they don't make it into the HOF, it'll be as big a travesty as Shoeless Joe not getting in.

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I'll stand by McGuire the same way I stand by Bonds on this issue. The guy hit 50 homers as a ROOKIE. He wasn't juicing then. He was a great hitter, regardless of steroids.

 

Like Mark Grace once said about Sammy Sosa: "It doesn't really matter to me whether or not he was on steroids. The only thing they could have done for Sammy was make his home runs go 500 feet instead of 450 feet." Same applies to McGuire IMO.

I dont know how old you are but to those of us who remember Big Mac was about to be out of baseball after 2 horrible seasons in oakland,i beleive it was 93 and 94.He couldnt hit or stay healthy,and then all of a sudden he was superman...

As for Corky Sosa the same thing,he couldnt hit and then......he was a star

 

Bonds,Sosa,McGuire hopefully will never see even the front door of the Hall Of Fame...

 

McGwire's WORST season in Oakland was an OPS+ of 103... and that was '91... yes he had his injury concerns... but like someone else (WildCard?) said, he hit nearly 50 HRs as a rookie... steroids don't PREVENT injuries, they actually increase the likelihood thereof. Sure, they help you recover faster... but if they were season enders, a la 93/94, steroids wouldn't have helped him then.

 

McGwire and Sosa saved baseball... and if they don't make it into the HOF, it'll be as big a travesty as Shoeless Joe not getting in.

I love Shoeless Joe,i love Shoeless Joe,but he took the money and knew what was going on and didnt say anything,thats why he's not in the Hall Of Fame.Pete Rose is the alltime hit king,but he Fu*ked up and that why he's not in the HOF.McGuire and Sosa saved baseball yes,but they cheated and thats why there not getting in.

I love Shoeless Joe,i love Shoeless Joe,but he took the money and knew what was going on and didnt say anything,thats why he's not in the Hall Of Fame.Pete Rose is the alltime hit king,but he Fu*ked up and that why he's not in the HOF.McGuire and Sosa saved baseball yes,but they cheated and thats why there not getting in.

 

Shoeless Joe had countless other people come out and say he wasn't guilty at all, said he did nothing. Pete Rose openly disregarded a rule in which the punishment was openly known. As much as I hate this loophole... even IF McGwire and/or Sosa are guilty of roiding... there was nothing in the rules of baseball against it... and they were playing with/against players that were roiding too... (not all, but apparently a lot).

 

McGwire's impact on the game is MUCH greater than that of either Joe's or Rose's... which is another big piece of the puzzle.

Steroids make mediocre guys average. They make average guys superstars. They make superstars hall of famers. They make hall of famers immortals.

 

That said, you're naive if you don't think steroids padded the home run totals of McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds. You're meaning to tell me Mark would've hit 70 without steroids!? :lol You're telling me Bonds could hit 73 without steroids!? And Sosa 60+ without steroids!? Come on folks, get real.

 

These guys were all excellent players, but excellent wasn't good enough for them. They wanted to be more than excellent, so they doped. They're paying the price now

Steroids make mediocre guys average. They make average guys superstars. They make superstars hall of famers. They make hall of famers immortals.

 

That said, you're naive if you don't think steroids padded the home run totals of McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds. You're meaning to tell me Mark would've hit 70 without steroids!? :lol You're telling me Bonds could hit 73 without steroids!? And Sosa 60+ without steroids!? Come on folks, get real.

 

These guys were all excellent players, but excellent wasn't good enough for them. They wanted to be more than excellent, so they doped. They're paying the price now

 

There's absolutely ZERO way to quantify the impact steroids have on a player. Look at Alex Sanchez or Fernando Vina and compare them to Barry Bonds. They all took steroids, Bonds's performance just increased WAY more, whereas the other guys stayed at their previous levels.

Steroids make mediocre guys average. They make average guys superstars. They make superstars hall of famers. They make hall of famers immortals.

 

That said, you're naive if you don't think steroids padded the home run totals of McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds. You're meaning to tell me Mark would've hit 70 without steroids!? :lol You're telling me Bonds could hit 73 without steroids!? And Sosa 60+ without steroids!? Come on folks, get real.

 

These guys were all excellent players, but excellent wasn't good enough for them. They wanted to be more than excellent, so they doped. They're paying the price now

 

Mark hit 49 AS A ROOKIE. So yes... assuming, like most players out there, he'd get BETTER... yeah, I'd say 70 isn't as ludicrous as you make it out to be.

There's absolutely ZERO way to quantify the impact steroids have on a player. Look at Alex Sanchez or Fernando Vina and compare them to Barry Bonds. They all took steroids, Bonds's performance just increased WAY more, whereas the other guys stayed at their previous levels.

 

Because Bonds is a lot more talented than Fernando Vina and Alex Sanchez. Steroids don't swing the bat for you...Bonds is still one of the best hitters of all time. As I said in my prior post, steroids make mediocre guys average, average guys superstars, superstars HOFers, and HOFers immortals. In this case, Bonds was a HOFer who made himself an immortal.

There's absolutely ZERO way to quantify the impact steroids have on a player. Look at Alex Sanchez or Fernando Vina and compare them to Barry Bonds. They all took steroids, Bonds's performance just increased WAY more, whereas the other guys stayed at their previous levels.

 

Because Bonds is a lot more talented than Fernando Vina and Alex Sanchez. Steroids don't swing the bat for you...Bonds is still one of the best hitters of all time. As I said in my prior post, steroids make mediocre guys average, average guys superstars, superstars HOFers, and HOFers immortals. In this case, Bonds was a HOFer who made himself an immortal.

 

There's no proof of this though. You're using Bonds as an example of the last point... and then ignoring that Sanchez/Vina were mediocre players pre/post steroids when, by your standards, they should have been near stars or at least above average

Steroids make mediocre guys average. They make average guys superstars. They make superstars hall of famers. They make hall of famers immortals.

 

That said, you're naive if you don't think steroids padded the home run totals of McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds. You're meaning to tell me Mark would've hit 70 without steroids!? :lol You're telling me Bonds could hit 73 without steroids!? And Sosa 60+ without steroids!? Come on folks, get real.

 

These guys were all excellent players, but excellent wasn't good enough for them. They wanted to be more than excellent, so they doped. They're paying the price now

 

Mark hit 49 AS A ROOKIE. So yes... assuming, like most players out there, he'd get BETTER... yeah, I'd say 70 isn't as ludicrous as you make it out to be.

 

Except he stayed at 30-50+ consistently for a 10 year period (age 23 to 33), and then skyrocketed to 70 at age 34. A year in which he should have been past his prime or just leaving it. Things like this simply don't happen when you're not on juice. It has never happened in the entire history of baseball until the steroid era. It's just not natural

it depends what you do while you're on steroids. Put steroids in Couch Potato Jim and all he gets is bitch-tits and smaller balls.

 

Just taking steroids doesn't make a difference. It's how you train and how often you train while you're on them. That's where they make a difference.

it depends what you do while you're on steroids. Put steroids in Couch Potato Jim and all he gets is bitch-tits and smaller balls.

 

Just taking steroids doesn't make a difference. It's how you train and how often you train while you're on them. That's where they make a difference.

I remener reading that bonds was fanatic about training. He would train about 7 hours every day.

 

I thought shoeless joe admitted to taking the money. At least that's what they said on ken burn's baseball documentary.

Steroids make mediocre guys average. They make average guys superstars. They make superstars hall of famers. They make hall of famers immortals.

 

That said, you're naive if you don't think steroids padded the home run totals of McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds. You're meaning to tell me Mark would've hit 70 without steroids!? :lol You're telling me Bonds could hit 73 without steroids!? And Sosa 60+ without steroids!? Come on folks, get real.

 

These guys were all excellent players, but excellent wasn't good enough for them. They wanted to be more than excellent, so they doped. They're paying the price now

 

Mark hit 49 AS A ROOKIE. So yes... assuming, like most players out there, he'd get BETTER... yeah, I'd say 70 isn't as ludicrous as you make it out to be.

 

Except he stayed at 30-50+ consistently for a 10 year period (age 23 to 33), and then skyrocketed to 70 at age 34. A year in which he should have been past his prime or just leaving it. Things like this simply don't happen when you're not on juice. It has never happened in the entire history of baseball until the steroid era. It's just not natural

 

He also moved to the "softer" NL central around that time. He hit 58 the year before he hit 70. The 58 being in a season split by his being traded. So he was just leaving his prime and took advantage of weaker pitching.

it depends what you do while you're on steroids. Put steroids in Couch Potato Jim and all he gets is bitch-tits and smaller balls.

 

Just taking steroids doesn't make a difference. It's how you train and how often you train while you're on them. That's where they make a difference.

I remener reading that bonds was fanatic about training. He would train about 7 hours every day.

 

I thought shoeless joe admitted to taking the money. At least that's what they said on ken burn's baseball documentary.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_...son_innocent.3F

 

Try that

it depends what you do while you're on steroids. Put steroids in Couch Potato Jim and all he gets is bitch-tits and smaller balls.

 

Just taking steroids doesn't make a difference. It's how you train and how often you train while you're on them. That's where they make a difference.

 

Well yeah, obviously. Just because one takes steroids does not guarantee an increase in production at the plate. It depends who takes them. Common sense tells you the more talent you have the more of an effect the roids will have.

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