July 1, 200916 yr My offer to the Nats: Dan Uggla and Ryan Tucker (and possibly Hermida) for Adam Dunn Adam Dunn is one of the only LH hitters who would hit homers consistently in our home park. He strikes out a bunch, of course, but he walks so much that his lifetime .247 average translates into a .382 OBP. The Nationals have an unusual problem - lots of outfielders, no pitching and no real second baseman. The Marlins have too many second baseman - Uggla, Coghlan and Bonifacio all should play there. Either Chris or Emilio would be an upgrade at 2B defensively. The Marlins also have a nice number of young arms, so giving up one may not be the worst thing in the world. Dunn is in the first year of a two-year deal. His contract is $8 million for 2009 and $12 million for 2010. Since Uggla's salary for '09 is $5.35 million, that means we'd only be on the hook for an extra $1 million this year, and whatever the difference would be next year. Presumably we could work something out with Dunn to play here long term, possibly even deferring some of his '10 salary into a longer deal. For the short term, Cantu moves back to 3B, Bonifacio moves to 2B, and Dunn plays 1B. If you prefer a Carroll/Hermida platoon in LF and Coghlan at 2B instead of Emilio, that's fine too. Remember that Maybin will be back very shortly: Maybin CF Coghlan LF Ramirez SS Dunn 1B Cantu 3B Ross RF Catcher Bonifacio 2B or Maybin CF Coghlan 2B Ramirez SS Dunn 1B Cantu 3B Hermida LF or Ross RF Ross RF or Paulino C Baker C or Carroll LF I like Coghlan in the #2 hole a lot - that's where I'm putting him. Will be interesting to see what happens when Maybin returns. One other thing: if Hermida doesn't like his job now, he's about to become a permanent reserve. If I thought the Nats would want him I'd ship him to the Nats in this deal - we wouldn't need him anymore. I thought Hermida would be Mark Kotsay with better strike judgment, but it hasn't happened offensively or defensively - maybe he needs a change of scenery.
July 1, 200916 yr Keep dreaming. Even if we didn't have a guy in the minors that is projected to be a star, Dunn is one of the best pure hitters in the game and a guy you build around. They're not going to trade him for a guy hitting sub .250 and a guy that is likely past his prospect status.
July 1, 200916 yr Keep dreaming. Even if we didn't have a guy in the minors that is projected to be a star, Dunn is one of the best pure hitters in the game and a guy you build around. They're not going to trade him for a guy hitting sub .250 and a guy that is likely past his prospect status. You also forgot to mention how this deal doesn't make the Marlins better.
July 1, 200916 yr I'm not really convinced Dunn is an upgrade over Uggla when you bring total value (including defense) into the equation. In fact, since 2006, Uggla has been nearly 2x more valuable than Dunn. Here are their WAR (Wins Above Replacement) since 2006: Uggla: 4.1, 2.7, 4.9, 0.7 Dunn: 1.8, 2.9, 1.3, 0.8 Fact is, Dunn's defense is so bad it makes him way less valuable than his bat would indicate. Bottom line, the guy is a DH. If we played in the American League, I'd be all over this, but we don't.
July 1, 200916 yr The Marlins already missed their chance to sign him in the offseason.Damn that Loria.
July 1, 200916 yr The Marlins already missed their chance to sign him in the offseason.Damn that Loria. There's a reason why we didn't sign him. See: Morrison, Logan.
July 1, 200916 yr Off topic, but benched: your sig really annoys me That guy Elih Villanueva is just annoying to look at. Not sure if it's the hair or what, but something about him makes me want to punch somebody
July 1, 200916 yr The Marlins already missed their chance to sign him in the offseason.Damn that Loria. There's a reason why we didn't sign him. See: Morrison, Logan. See: Dunn outfielder and Morrison first baseman.
July 1, 200916 yr I'm not really convinced Dunn is an upgrade over Uggla when you bring total value (including defense) into the equation. In fact, since 2006, Uggla has been nearly 2x more valuable than Dunn. Here are their WAR (Wins Above Replacement) since 2006: Uggla: 4.1, 2.7, 4.9, 0.7 Dunn: 1.8, 2.9, 1.3, 0.8 Fact is, Dunn's defense is so bad it makes him way less valuable than his bat would indicate. Bottom line, the guy is a DH. If we played in the American League, I'd be all over this, but we don't. Uggla plays at a much thinner position.
July 1, 200916 yr The Marlins already missed their chance to sign him in the offseason.Damn that Loria. There's a reason why we didn't sign him. See: Morrison, Logan. See: Dunn outfielder and Morrison first baseman. See: Yeah I was thinking this too. Dunn has played a little bit of 1B in his career, but he's an OFer
July 1, 200916 yr The Marlins already missed their chance to sign him in the offseason.Damn that Loria. There's a reason why we didn't sign him. See: Morrison, Logan. See: Dunn outfielder and Morrison first baseman. See: Yeah I was thinking this too. Dunn has played a little bit of 1B in his career, but he's an OFer Apparently you've never seen how bad he is out there. He's a 1B.
July 1, 200916 yr Come to think of it, Adam Dunn would NOT look good in teal (not that the Marlins wear teal anymore anyway). His entire career he's been with red teams. The only possible places he could go are St. Louis and the Angels (Am I missing any others? lol)
July 1, 200916 yr The Marlins already missed their chance to sign him in the offseason.Damn that Loria. There's a reason why we didn't sign him. See: Morrison, Logan. See: Dunn outfielder and Morrison first baseman. See: Yeah I was thinking this too. Dunn has played a little bit of 1B in his career, but he's an OFer Apparently you've never seen how bad he is out there. He's a 1B. Apparently you havn't been paying attention the past decade. 1047 starts in the outfield, 104 at 1B. He's an outfielder. Also, he's not any better at 1B than he is in the outfield. He's a DH.
July 1, 200916 yr Come to think of it, Adam Dunn would NOT look good in teal (not that the Marlins wear teal anymore anyway). His entire career he's been with red teams. The only possible places he could go are St. Louis and the Angels (Am I missing any others? lol) Red Sox, Indians, Phillies, Braves
July 1, 200916 yr Come to think of it, Adam Dunn would NOT look good in teal (not that the Marlins wear teal anymore anyway). His entire career he's been with red teams. The only possible places he could go are St. Louis and the Angels (Am I missing any others? lol) Red Sox, Indians, Phillies, Braves Yeah, Phillies is one. Red Sox, Indians, and Braves are more navy blue to me.
July 1, 200916 yr Come to think of it, Adam Dunn would NOT look good in teal (not that the Marlins wear teal anymore anyway). His entire career he's been with red teams. The only possible places he could go are St. Louis and the Angels (Am I missing any others? lol) Red Sox, Indians, Phillies, Braves Yeah, Phillies is one. Red Sox, Indians, and Braves are more navy blue to me. How do you figure? Both the Braves and Red Sox have alternate RED jeresys. And the Indians have white jeresys wit indians spelled in red? And everything they sell is mostly red?
July 1, 200916 yr So because he's been used wrong means he's an outfiedler? No. He's an outfielder because that's where he's predominantly played for a decade. He's also horrible at 1B anyway, so it doesn't really matter. He's a DH.
July 1, 200916 yr Come to think of it, Adam Dunn would NOT look good in teal (not that the Marlins wear teal anymore anyway). His entire career he's been with red teams. The only possible places he could go are St. Louis and the Angels (Am I missing any others? lol) Red Sox, Indians, Phillies, Braves Yeah, Phillies is one. Red Sox, Indians, and Braves are more navy blue to me. How do you figure? Both the Braves and Red Sox have alternate RED jeresys. And the Indians have white jeresys wit indians spelled in red? And everything they sell is mostly red? Red is more of a secondary color with those teams. I'm talking about teams who are all red
July 1, 200916 yr So because he's been used wrong means he's an outfiedler? No. He's an outfielder because that's where he's predominantly played for a decade. He's also horrible at 1B anyway, so it doesn't really matter. He's a DH. That logic makes no sense but whatever. And I agree, he's a terrible defender period. That's why, if he's in the NL, you play him at the far less taxing and less demanding position: first base.
July 1, 200916 yr So because he's been used wrong means he's an outfiedler? No. He's an outfielder because that's where he's predominantly played for a decade. He's also horrible at 1B anyway, so it doesn't really matter. He's a DH. That logic makes no sense but whatever. And I agree, he's a terrible defender period. That's why, if he's in the NL, you play him at the far less taxing and less demanding position: first base. I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, 1B is less demanding, but the way I see it, if Dunn goes to 1B it hardly adds anything to his value, if at all. It's just not worth it to me.
July 1, 200916 yr Come to think of it, Adam Dunn would NOT look good in teal (not that the Marlins wear teal anymore anyway). His entire career he's been with red teams. The only possible places he could go are St. Louis and the Angels (Am I missing any others? lol) Red Sox, Indians, Phillies, Braves Yeah, Phillies is one. Red Sox, Indians, and Braves are more navy blue to me. How do you figure? Both the Braves and Red Sox have alternate RED jeresys. And the Indians have white jeresys wit indians spelled in red? And everything they sell is mostly red? Red is more of a secondary color with those teams. I'm talking about teams who are all red Well not really with Boston considering RED is in their team name lol. Linking back to the original post of the thread - If we were to try and acquire a big bat like Adam Dunn it would obviously mean the organisation has realised there is a good chance of making the playoffs and we would be going all out to strengthen the team to make October. Why then, when the aim is improving the team, would we trade one of our best bats of the past 4 seasons to get another similar big bat? Obviously having both would be of most benefit to the team.
July 1, 200916 yr Come to think of it, Adam Dunn would NOT look good in teal (not that the Marlins wear teal anymore anyway). His entire career he's been with red teams. The only possible places he could go are St. Louis and the Angels (Am I missing any others? lol) Red Sox, Indians, Phillies, Braves Yeah, Phillies is one. Red Sox, Indians, and Braves are more navy blue to me. How do you figure? Both the Braves and Red Sox have alternate RED jeresys. And the Indians have white jeresys wit indians spelled in red? And everything they sell is mostly red? Red is more of a secondary color with those teams. I'm talking about teams who are all red don't forget those nasty alternative uniforms the pirates where.
July 1, 200916 yr Why are people saying we need Dunn or Mark Reynolds. No way! We need real pro hitters like Coghlan.
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