Yeah no only if he doesn't cost us anything, and he's coming out the pen to pitch 1 or 2 innings, and nothing more... He isn't a starter anymore but he's a good veteran to have on a young staff.

hes been pretty consistent the entire year and would be a pretty good 5th starter. look at his splits by month. pretty solid.

Yeah no only if he doesn't cost us anything, and he's coming out the pen to pitch 1 or 2 innings, and nothing more... He isn't a starter anymore but he's a good veteran to have on a young staff.

hes been pretty consistent the entire year and would be a pretty good 5th starter. look at his splits by month. pretty solid.

 

 

 

ya consistently bad

hes been pretty consistent the entire year and would be a pretty good 5th starter. look at his splits by month. pretty solid.

 

 

 

ya consistently bad

not really. hes been in the mid 4's pretty much every month. pretty much all you could ask for from a 5th starter.

hes been pretty consistent the entire year and would be a pretty good 5th starter. look at his splits by month. pretty solid.

 

 

 

ya consistently bad

not really. hes been in the mid 4's pretty much every month. pretty much all you could ask for from a 5th starter.

 

 

This season, the lowest ERA Smoltz ever had was a 5.40 ERA. I don't know where you are getting your numbers.

3.53 ERA, 1.24 WHIP at Land Shark Stadium. For major league minimum, why not? He can't be much worse than Sean West.

hes been pretty consistent the entire year and would be a pretty good 5th starter. look at his splits by month. pretty solid.

 

 

 

ya consistently bad

not really. hes been in the mid 4's pretty much every month. pretty much all you could ask for from a 5th starter.

 

 

This season, the lowest ERA Smoltz ever had was a 5.40 ERA. I don't know where you are getting your numbers.

 

i was talking padilla

3.53 ERA, 1.24 WHIP at Land Shark Stadium. For major league minimum, why not? He can't be much worse than Sean West.

 

 

 

It isn't the same John Smoltz who had a 3.11 ERA and pitched 205.2 innings in Atlanta in 2007. Looking at career stats when evaluating Smoltz as a player now isn't a great idea to go off of.

3.53 ERA, 1.24 WHIP at Land Shark Stadium. For major league minimum, why not? He can't be much worse than Sean West.

 

 

 

It isn't the same John Smoltz who had a 3.11 ERA and pitched 205.2 innings in Atlanta in 2007. Looking at career stats when evaluating Smoltz as a player now isn't a great idea to go off of.

He threw five shutout innings here last year, had a 3 ERA in 3 starts here in 07, and a 3.38 ERA here in 39.1 innings in 06.

 

He's always pitched well here.

 

Not to mention he has a career 2.65 ERA in the playoffs.

hes been pretty consistent the entire year and would be a pretty good 5th starter. look at his splits by month. pretty solid.

 

 

 

ya consistently bad

not really. hes been in the mid 4's pretty much every month. pretty much all you could ask for from a 5th starter.

 

 

This season, the lowest ERA Smoltz ever had was a 5.40 ERA. I don't know where you are getting your numbers.

 

i was talking padilla

 

 

you responded just after a post about Smoltz in a thread about John Smoltz. Be specific next time and quote a certain post. And Padilla's contract was $12 million this year, and probably would cost around $2-3 million for the rest of the season. If you see Padilla's production (he has given up 4+ runs a game way too much), we could actually get just as good if not better production out of West, who is both a lefty and cheaper.

3.53 ERA, 1.24 WHIP at Land Shark Stadium. For major league minimum, why not? He can't be much worse than Sean West.

 

 

 

That's what I'm saying.

Not to mention that with all the talk about the 5th starter, our 4th starter hasn't proven much, either.

3.53 ERA, 1.24 WHIP at Land Shark Stadium. For major league minimum, why not? He can't be much worse than Sean West.

 

 

 

It isn't the same John Smoltz who had a 3.11 ERA and pitched 205.2 innings in Atlanta in 2007. Looking at career stats when evaluating Smoltz as a player now isn't a great idea to go off of.

He threw five shutout innings here last year, had a 3 ERA in 3 starts here in 07, and a 3.38 ERA here in 39.1 innings in 06.

 

He's always pitched well here.

 

Not to mention he has a career 2.65 ERA in the playoffs.

 

 

Smoltz had season ending shoulder surgery on June 10th 2008. It's like how you all are critical of Anibal every regaining form. The difference is Smoltz had shoulder surgery at the age of 41.

 

Again, you are using career stats when this years John Smoltz isn't near what John Smoltz of old was, and isn't even productive anymore. He is done.

ya consistently bad

 

not really. hes been in the mid 4's pretty much every month. pretty much all you could ask for from a 5th starter.

 

 

This season, the lowest ERA Smoltz ever had was a 5.40 ERA. I don't know where you are getting your numbers.

 

i was talking padilla

 

 

you responded just after a post about Smoltz in a thread about John Smoltz. Be specific next time and quote a certain post. And Padilla's contract was $12 million this year, and probably would cost around $2-3 million for the rest of the season. If you see Padilla's production (he has given up 4+ runs a game way too much), we could actually get just as good if not better production out of West, who is both a lefty and cheaper.

 

 

ummm, you should probably read the entire thread if you are going to quote my post and tell me im wrong. there were like 3-4 posts about padilla before my post that you originally quoted.

 

and id take padilla over west for the rest of the season. he has been pretty consistent this year. not great but not terrible. he has been what a 5th starter should be, steady. west is wildly inconsistent.

3.53 ERA, 1.24 WHIP at Land Shark Stadium. For major league minimum, why not? He can't be much worse than Sean West.

 

 

 

It isn't the same John Smoltz who had a 3.11 ERA and pitched 205.2 innings in Atlanta in 2007. Looking at career stats when evaluating Smoltz as a player now isn't a great idea to go off of.

He threw five shutout innings here last year, had a 3 ERA in 3 starts here in 07, and a 3.38 ERA here in 39.1 innings in 06.

 

He's always pitched well here.

 

Not to mention he has a career 2.65 ERA in the playoffs.

 

 

Smoltz had season ending shoulder surgery on June 10th 2008. It's like how you all are critical of Anibal every regaining form. The difference is Smoltz had shoulder surgery at the age of 41.

 

Again, you are using career stats when this years John Smoltz isn't near what John Smoltz of old was, and isn't even productive anymore. He is done.

He could still be decent fifth starter material. And even if he's not, what'll it cost us? $300K?

ya consistently bad

not really. hes been in the mid 4's pretty much every month. pretty much all you could ask for from a 5th starter.

 

 

This season, the lowest ERA Smoltz ever had was a 5.40 ERA. I don't know where you are getting your numbers.

 

i was talking padilla

 

 

you responded just after a post about Smoltz in a thread about John Smoltz. Be specific next time and quote a certain post. And Padilla's contract was $12 million this year, and probably would cost around $2-3 million for the rest of the season. If you see Padilla's production (he has given up 4+ runs a game way too much), we could actually get just as good if not better production out of West, who is both a lefty and cheaper.

 

 

ummm, you should probably read the entire thread if you are going to quote my post and tell me im wrong. there were like 3-4 posts about padilla before my post that you originally quoted.

 

and id take padilla over west for the rest of the season. he has been pretty consistent this year. not great but not terrible. he has been what a 5th starter should be, steady. west is wildly inconsistent.

 

 

There were two posts, and the person before you posted was discussing Smoltz, so I and everybody else assumed in a thread titled "John Smoltz" that you were discussing Smoltz, so I don't need to read the entire thread, because I and everbody else were staying on topic.

 

And in 3 of Padilla's last 5 starts, he has given up 5+ runs. Oh yeah he is totally consistent...at being inconsistant. You should probably research a little or think a little before posting.

3.53 ERA, 1.24 WHIP at Land Shark Stadium. For major league minimum, why not? He can't be much worse than Sean West.

 

 

 

It isn't the same John Smoltz who had a 3.11 ERA and pitched 205.2 innings in Atlanta in 2007. Looking at career stats when evaluating Smoltz as a player now isn't a great idea to go off of.

He threw five shutout innings here last year, had a 3 ERA in 3 starts here in 07, and a 3.38 ERA here in 39.1 innings in 06.

 

He's always pitched well here.

 

Not to mention he has a career 2.65 ERA in the playoffs.

 

 

Smoltz had season ending shoulder surgery on June 10th 2008. It's like how you all are critical of Anibal every regaining form. The difference is Smoltz had shoulder surgery at the age of 41.

 

Again, you are using career stats when this years John Smoltz isn't near what John Smoltz of old was, and isn't even productive anymore. He is done.

He could still be decent fifth starter material. And even if he's not, what'll it cost us? $300K?

 

 

Sean West this year serves more to the rotation than Smoltz does. And in all honesty, you could say "oh what would it cost $300K?" but when you are in a playoff race, you can't afford to sign a guy, put him into the rotation right away and have him going only 4 or less innings and giving up 5 or more runs each game he starts.

uhh, padilla has had a 4 era in almost every month this year. id call that consistent

Sean West this year serves more to the rotation than Smoltz does. And in all honesty, you could say "oh what would it cost $300K?" but when you are in a playoff race, you can't afford to sign a guy, put him into the rotation right away and have him going only 4 or less innings and giving up 5 or more runs each game he starts.

 

You're taking that same chance, minus the cash, with a guy who isn't major league ready, Sean West. We all saw what that did to Andrew Miller. At least Smoltz is a proven veteran. I'd have more confidence in him at this point, surgery or not, than West.

 

It's a much safer option renting Smoltz for the rest of the year and saving West's future for another day.

uhh, padilla has had a 4 era in almost every month this year. id call that consistent

 

 

 

Let's see...

 

April he had a 7.43 ERA, May he had a 1.57 ERA (only 3 starts), June he had a 4.81 ERA, July 4.26 ERA, and August so far a 5.2 IP, 6 ER game.

 

If you look at his games this season, he has some nice 1 ER, 3 ER, high IP games, but he has ALOT of 5+ runs allowed games, and you consider 2 4 ERA months out of 5 thus far being (almost every month), than yeah, he has been a great pitcher.

 

You know the problem, West is better, period. He has shown signs of great pitching this season, and he is a lot more trustworthy in the 5th slot for less money (you aren't getting Padilla for minimum).

you would really have more confidence in smoltz then west? i think you are thinking of pre 2009 john smoltz

Sean West this year serves more to the rotation than Smoltz does. And in all honesty, you could say "oh what would it cost $300K?" but when you are in a playoff race, you can't afford to sign a guy, put him into the rotation right away and have him going only 4 or less innings and giving up 5 or more runs each game he starts.

 

You're taking that same chance, minus the cash, with a guy who isn't major league ready, Sean West. We all saw what that did to Andrew Miller. At least Smoltz is a proven veteran. I'd have more confidence in him at this point, surgery or not, than West.

 

It's a much safer option renting Smoltz for the rest of the year and saving West's future for another day.

 

 

Sean West is in his 4th season in the minors. He has shown consistantly good numbers in the minors. I understand your worry with the surgery he had, but he doesn't have any lack of minor league experience. Right now the best way to prepare West for being in the starting rotation next season is to give him time this season. Putting Smoltz there to be what he was in Boston is not going to help this team nor the development of West in any way.

you would really have more confidence in smoltz then west? i think you are thinking of pre 2009 john smoltz

 

Basing his career on eight starts. Nice.

 

And four of those starts came in hitter's parks. He actually had very good control this year too. 33 Ks to 9 walks. In much less of a hitter's league, the NL, he could be decent fifth starter material.

Sean West is in his 4th season in the minors. He has shown consistantly good numbers in the minors. I understand your worry with the surgery he had, but he doesn't have any lack of minor league experience. Right now the best way to prepare West for being in the starting rotation next season is to give him time this season. Putting Smoltz there to be what he was in Boston is not going to help this team nor the development of West in any way.

 

But he has a lack of major league experience. That's my point. And you don't give a guy that isn't ready for the majors time to play out in the majors when you're looking at a playoff run.

Sean West is in his 4th season in the minors. He has shown consistantly good numbers in the minors. I understand your worry with the surgery he had, but he doesn't have any lack of minor league experience. Right now the best way to prepare West for being in the starting rotation next season is to give him time this season. Putting Smoltz there to be what he was in Boston is not going to help this team nor the development of West in any way.

 

But he has a lack of major league experience. That's my point. And you don't give a guy that isn't ready for the majors time to play out in the majors when you're looking at a playoff run.

 

 

West has already spent time in the majors. Well over a month. He had his time in the majors, he fixed some things during his time in the minors, and he is ready to get called back up. Smoltz would be much more detrimental to a playoff run than West would be.