Well, there is use for him on this team. We have a pretty deep pen right now, imo, and Lindstrom is a part of that. Right now, Lindstrom is our 5th/6th best reliever, imo. I don't see how that's a bad thing...having a deep pen.

 

Please tell me the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Lindstrom.

 

If we count him still as a reliver then Hopper then Kiko, Meyer, Leo and Sanches are the only ones that come to mind, and I hate to say it but the numbers have Pinto better then him as well.

This of course is not counting Donnelly and Ayala.

Well, there is use for him on this team. We have a pretty deep pen right now, imo, and Lindstrom is a part of that. Right now, Lindstrom is our 5th/6th best reliever, imo. I don't see how that's a bad thing...having a deep pen.

 

Please tell me the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Lindstrom.

 

If we count him still as a reliver then Hopper then Kiko, Meyer, Leo and Sanches are the only ones that come to mind, and I hate to say it but the numbers have Pinto better then him as well.

This of course is not counting Donnelly and Ayala.

I still wouldn't put Sanches ahead of him. His numbers are all very shallow, small sample size and low leverage. Nor would I put a long reliever ahead of him. I can understand putting Kiko, Meyer, and Nunez ahead of him though.

 

 

If we count him still as a reliver then Hopper then Kiko, Meyer, Leo and Sanches are the only ones that come to mind, and I hate to say it but the numbers have Pinto better then him as well.

This of course is not counting Donnelly and Ayala.

I still wouldn't put Sanches ahead of him. His numbers are all very shallow, small sample size and low leverage. Nor would I put a long reliever ahead of him. I can understand putting Kiko, Meyer, and Nunez ahead of him though.

 

Yep yep, Sanches and Hopper have been used in more mop up roles especially Sanches but getting outs is getting outs no matter the situation.

 

Still IMO for basically 1 inning guys(MR/SU/CL) it's Kiko, Meyer, Leo, Lindstrom, Pinto. (Donnelly hasn't thrown enough inning to qualify.)

One of the reasons the Marlins may be less inclined to trade for a front-line or even stopgap starter is Annibal Sanchez is apparently lights out in his rehab starts and could finally be ready to take his spot in the rotation.

Rays released Jorge Julio. Marlins should go after him and make him our closer

Well, there is use for him on this team. We have a pretty deep pen right now, imo, and Lindstrom is a part of that. Right now, Lindstrom is our 5th/6th best reliever, imo. I don't see how that's a bad thing...having a deep pen.

 

Please tell me the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Lindstrom.

 

 

Kiko, Meyer, Nunez, Pinto, and Donnelly.

5th or 6th best reliever is another term for mop up, yeah that's a great role for him

 

 

 

Not exactly (unless if you consider the role he was used in the other night "mop up.")

 

EDIT: The organization still loves Lindstrom, so he's going to get his chances in crucial situations, as well. Heck, his first game back, he came in in a tied game in the 8th inning. That sure as hell isn't "mop up." He's still an important piece of our pen. We're in August...you never have enough arms.

5th or 6th best reliever is another term for mop up, yeah that's a great role for him

 

 

 

Not exactly (unless if you consider the role he was used in the other night "mop up.")

 

EDIT: The organization still loves Lindstrom, so he's going to get his chances in crucial situations, as well. Heck, his first game back, he came in in a tied game in the 8th inning. That sure as hell isn't "mop up." He's still an important piece of our pen. We're in August...you never have enough arms.

 

 

Got the 8th inning hold tonight...definitely not "mop up." Although I disagree with the decision to use him over Calero, it just shows that Lindstrom is far from "mop up" duty, in this organization's mind. He's going to get his chances...and as I said, it's a good thing we have a deep bullpen. The backend of our rotation just isn't going to give us many innings, so we need everyone of those arms in the pen.

5th or 6th best reliever is another term for mop up, yeah that's a great role for him

 

 

 

Not exactly (unless if you consider the role he was used in the other night "mop up.")

 

EDIT: The organization still loves Lindstrom, so he's going to get his chances in crucial situations, as well. Heck, his first game back, he came in in a tied game in the 8th inning. That sure as hell isn't "mop up." He's still an important piece of our pen. We're in August...you never have enough arms.

 

 

Got the 8th inning hold tonight...definitely not "mop up." Although I disagree with the decision to use him over Calero, it just shows that Lindstrom is far from "mop up" duty, in this organization's mind. He's going to get his chances...and as I said, it's a good thing we have a deep bullpen. The backend of our rotation just isn't going to give us many innings, so we need everyone of those arms in the pen.

 

I think he threw that split again tonight and it worked out for him. I hope he gets his era down so they can trade him away for a bat at the end of the season. We already have a closer in Nunez.

5th or 6th best reliever is another term for mop up, yeah that's a great role for him

 

 

 

Not exactly (unless if you consider the role he was used in the other night "mop up.")

 

EDIT: The organization still loves Lindstrom, so he's going to get his chances in crucial situations, as well. Heck, his first game back, he came in in a tied game in the 8th inning. That sure as hell isn't "mop up." He's still an important piece of our pen. We're in August...you never have enough arms.

 

 

Got the 8th inning hold tonight...definitely not "mop up." Although I disagree with the decision to use him over Calero, it just shows that Lindstrom is far from "mop up" duty, in this organization's mind. He's going to get his chances...and as I said, it's a good thing we have a deep bullpen. The backend of our rotation just isn't going to give us many innings, so we need everyone of those arms in the pen.

 

I think he threw that split again tonight and it worked out for him. I hope he gets his era down so they can trade him away for a bat at the end of the season. We already have a closer in Nunez.

 

If we get a bat, I can't imagine it'd be a significant bat. Lindstrom will likely be a Marlin, next year.

5th or 6th best reliever is another term for mop up, yeah that's a great role for him

 

 

 

Not exactly (unless if you consider the role he was used in the other night "mop up.")

 

EDIT: The organization still loves Lindstrom, so he's going to get his chances in crucial situations, as well. Heck, his first game back, he came in in a tied game in the 8th inning. That sure as hell isn't "mop up." He's still an important piece of our pen. We're in August...you never have enough arms.

 

 

Got the 8th inning hold tonight...definitely not "mop up." Although I disagree with the decision to use him over Calero, it just shows that Lindstrom is far from "mop up" duty, in this organization's mind. He's going to get his chances...and as I said, it's a good thing we have a deep bullpen. The backend of our rotation just isn't going to give us many innings, so we need everyone of those arms in the pen.

 

I think he threw that split again tonight and it worked out for him. I hope he gets his era down so they can trade him away for a bat at the end of the season. We already have a closer in Nunez.

 

If we get a bat, I can't imagine it'd be a significant bat. Lindstrom will likely be a Marlin, next year.

 

I hope that isn't a bad thing. I believe he will have a better second half.

pass. smoltz is done

I hope that isn't a bad thing. I believe he will have a better second half.

 

 

It's not, really.

I also have a strong belief that the Marlins want Lindstrom to work things out. The Marlins are going to be patient with Lindstrom just like they're going to be patient with Bonifacio. It's what they want. Whether it's Leo closing/Lindstrom setting up or Lindstrom closing/Leo setting up, you can bet that that's what they are looking forward to. It really doesn't matter, either, as the Marlins pretty much "Moneyball" their way with closers (they believe each and everyone of them is replaceable, which as you know, I think is great b/c I think the closer's role is overrated).

 

Anyways, we're not going to overpay relievers. Kiko Calero will likely not be on this team, next year. As good as he's been, it's just the way the Marlins roll. He's having a great year, so he's going to gain interest from a lot of teams (might even get a multi-year contract). The Marlins won't do that...they never have. And they're not going to start with Kiko, who's turning 35, next year.

 

Same applies to the Sanches'/Donnelly's...I doubt they're around next year (not that they'll get Kiko type cash, but the Marlins tend to this with relievers...last year with Joe Nelson, a couple years back with Lee Gardner being good examples/comparisons).

 

At this point, the Marlins bullpen next year will most likely look something like this: Leo, Lindstrom, Meyer, and Pinto. The other 3 we'll likely do the same thing we do every year, and find a gem...or maybe use one of our prospects for one of the slots, as well (Rick VandenHurk comes to mind...so does Anibal Sanchez, depending how he comes back).

 

EDIT: I forgot Badenhop. He'll fit in somewhere, too.

Rays released Jorge Julio. Marlins should go after him and make him our closer

 

 

Yeah or we could just concede the season and let everyone get some extra time off. I still have nightmares about those games in 07..

 

 

pass. smoltz is done

 

 

Not really, his peripherals are all good, if he doesn't get signed it would be pretty ridiculous, every contending team has a worse pitcher on their staff.

I hope that isn't a bad thing. I believe he will have a better second half.

 

 

It's not, really.

I also have a strong belief that the Marlins want Lindstrom to work things out. The Marlins are going to be patient with Lindstrom just like they're going to be patient with Bonifacio. It's what they want. Whether it's Leo closing/Lindstrom setting up or Lindstrom closing/Leo setting up, you can bet that that's what they are looking forward to. It really doesn't matter, either, as the Marlins pretty much "Moneyball" their way with closers (they believe each and everyone of them is replaceable, which as you know, I think is great b/c I think the closer's role is overrated).

 

Anyways, we're not going to overpay relievers. Kiko Calero will likely not be on this team, next year. As good as he's been, it's just the way the Marlins roll. He's having a great year, so he's going to gain interest from a lot of teams (might even get a multi-year contract). The Marlins won't do that...they never have. And they're not going to start with Kiko, who's turning 35, next year.

 

Same applies to the Sanches'/Donnelly's...I doubt they're around next year (not that they'll get Kiko type cash, but the Marlins tend to this with relievers...last year with Joe Nelson, a couple years back with Lee Gardner being good examples/comparisons).

 

At this point, the Marlins bullpen next year will most likely look something like this: Leo, Lindstrom, Meyer, and Pinto. The other 3 we'll likely do the same thing we do every year, and find a gem...or maybe use one of our prospects for one of the slots, as well (Rick VandenHurk comes to mind...so does Anibal Sanchez, depending how he comes back).

 

EDIT: I forgot Badenhop. He'll fit in somewhere, too.

 

Good thoughts in this post bro. Nice

Rays released Jorge Julio

 

:lol

 

Since we got rid of him, he's been gotten rid of by the Rockies, Indians, Braves and Rays.

 

Before us, the Orioles, Mets and D-backs got rid of him.

 

In 5 years, he's been with 8 teams.

 

It may be time to give it up. Then again, if there's any chance that someone, anyone might pay you $400K to throw high-A pitches to MLB hitters, why not? There are still 22 other potential suckers out there.

last year with Joe Nelson, a couple years back with Lee Gardner being good examples/comparisons

 

Nelson is a good example, but Gardner doesn't fit the mold as we resigned him for '08 after he appeared in 62 games in '07. In '08 he appeared in just 7 games, giving up 8 ER in 6.2 innings. He ultimately went bye-bye due to elbow problems. He was outrighted to AAA on 10-1-08 after finally hitting the 60-day DL after a lot of attempted rehab. He's now a FA.

 

But, I generally agree that they will continue to pick over the trash-heap of supposedly failed 3rd-rate pitchers for hidden gems they can resuscitate to fill out the BP.

 

They have been amazingly good at it. They could write the definitive book.

Hmm, don't know why that edit didn't work. It generated a second copy. Which is now reduced to this comment on why an edit didn't work correctly. Food for board admins to chew on.

last year with Joe Nelson, a couple years back with Lee Gardner being good examples/comparisons

 

Nelson is a good example, but Gardner isn't as we resigned him for '08 after he appeared in 62 games in '07. In '08 he appeared in just 7 games, giving up 8 ER in 6.2 innings. He ultimately went bye-bye due to elbow problems. He was outrighted to AAA on 10-1-08 after finally hitting the 60-day DL after a lot of attempted rehab. He's now a FA.

 

But, I generally agree that they will continue to pick over the trash-heap of supposedly failed 3rd-rate pitchers for hidden gems they can resuscitate to fill out the BP.

 

They have been amazingly good at it. They could write the definitive book.

 

 

This is correct. Totally forgot Gardner came back, for some reason (albeit not for much, but you're still right...I'm surprised no team has picked him up, though).

albeit not for much, but you're still right...

 

Yup. $402,500 for '08. Which was probably the minimum, so it wasn't like they were spending big to return someone to the BP. Wound up costing almost $60K per inning for lousy results, probably because he was injured from the get-go.

 

Much better (bad) deal than the Yankees $40 mill for Pavano for nothing.

 

:lol

 

Too bad he never came back. Last game in '08 was April 17. Unfortunate outcome for both sides.

 

I'm surprised no team has picked him up, though

 

He probably remains unable to pitch at the ML level and has essentially retired. He's 34, and has picked up at least a million dollars gross at the ML level so I doubt he's hurting too bad. But, you never know, a come-back is always possible.