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Is Wiley on the hotseat?

 

With Volstad, Miller, Sanchez and even Nolasco at times floundering in mediocrity, is Wiley the right man for the job? Everyone rides Fredi and Presely but it seems as if Wiley is getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

I'm all for bringing back Rosenthal.

Leo Mazzone FTW.

Is Wiley on the hotseat?

 

With Volstad, Miller, Sanchez and even Nolasco at times floundering in mediocrity, is Wiley the right man for the job? Everyone rides Fredi and Presely but it seems as if Wiley is getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

I'm all for bringing back Rosenthal.

 

 

 

Y'know, I've thought about it at times, what Wiley's status is. You have to remember, everyone was hyping our Starting 5 this season. Is it Wiley's fault they are underperforming? I say yes and no.

 

Yes, because it is fundamentally his job to get these guys to pitch better.

 

No is going to be a bit longer. Miller's had little experience learning anything at the minor league level, so he is essentially taking his lumps up here. I doubt another pitching coach would have had Miller pitch like an ace in his first few seasons. Sanchez is injury prone, and along with Miller, may try to tough out these injuries, only for it to affect their performance and long-term viability. With Volstad and Ricky, it is a little more alarming, as Volstad seems to repeat the same mistakes this year and Ricky for two years running has struggled out of the gate. But I don't know if Wiley can be blamed 100% for that, cause you gotta remember our pitching woes this year has affected everyone at the same time, it seems. Wiley may have had too many holes to plug to do proper service to each individual pitcher.

 

I'd say Wiley has one more year (or maybe, I'd give him one more year). It is sad to say, but our vaunted pitching staff has rarely been more than two people, and sometimes only one person consistently (Ricky for most of last year, then JJ came back and this year, pretty much only JJ has been consistent the entire year).

Presley needs to go before Wiley

MARK WILEY :thumbdown

 

Trot out to the pitching mound :thumbdown

 

Managing the starting pitching and bullpen :thumbdown

I really fail to see what Wiley is doing wrong.

For every Ricky Nolasco/Matt Lindstrom regression, there has been Dan Meyer/Brian Sanches progression/career year.

 

Volstad was successful last year, under Wiley. Could it be that he just hit a sophmore slump, and he has to adjust to the hitters, again? That has happened plenty of times before with other pitchers. Who else? Andrew Miller? The guy was all out of whack in the minor leagues, as well. Anibal? Kind of hard to pitch, when you keep constantly wanting to pitch through injuries. Sean West has actually exceeded my expectations. His #'s at AA aren't too hot. He's come up here and had a couple good starts in his first stint, and his second stint back up with the big club has been way better than his first. Does Wiley get any credit for that?

 

A pitching coach can only do so much. Fact is, once you get to professional ball, it's a lot of independent learning. My brother was drafted as a pitcher, (despite never being a pitcher before in his life), and what he learned in pro ball, he learned it from other teammates.

 

And that's the minor leagues. In the major leagues...how much teaching really goes on? I don't think it's as much as some of you might think, regardless of the coach.

I really fail to see what Wiley is doing wrong.

For every Ricky Nolasco/Matt Lindstrom regression, there has been Dan Meyer/Brian Sanches progression/career year.

 

Volstad was successful last year, under Wiley. Could it be that he just hit a sophmore slump, and he has to adjust to the hitters, again? That has happened plenty of times before with other pitchers. Who else? Andrew Miller? The guy was all out of whack in the minor leagues, as well. Anibal? Kind of hard to pitch, when you keep constantly wanting to pitch through injuries. Sean West has actually exceeded my expectations. His #'s at AA aren't too hot. He's come up here and had a couple good starts in his first stint, and his second stint back up with the big club has been way better than his first. Does Wiley get any credit for that?

 

A pitching coach can only do so much. Fact is, once you get to professional ball, it's a lot of independent learning. My brother was drafted as a pitcher, (despite never being a pitcher before in his life), and what he learned in pro ball, he learned it from other teammates.

 

And that's the minor leagues. In the major leagues...how much teaching really goes on? I don't think it's as much as some of you might think, regardless of the coach.

 

 

This is true. However, I remember (I don't know when it was, earlier this year I think) hearing the analysts talk about how great Duncan (pitching coach for the Cardinals) is. They said if anyone could resurrect a pitcher it was him. Look at Ryan Franklin this year-average for most of his career-simply awesome this year.

Just from what I hear Wiley doesn't do that much.

I really fail to see what Wiley is doing wrong.

For every Ricky Nolasco/Matt Lindstrom regression, there has been Dan Meyer/Brian Sanches progression/career year.

 

Volstad was successful last year, under Wiley. Could it be that he just hit a sophmore slump, and he has to adjust to the hitters, again? That has happened plenty of times before with other pitchers. Who else? Andrew Miller? The guy was all out of whack in the minor leagues, as well. Anibal? Kind of hard to pitch, when you keep constantly wanting to pitch through injuries. Sean West has actually exceeded my expectations. His #'s at AA aren't too hot. He's come up here and had a couple good starts in his first stint, and his second stint back up with the big club has been way better than his first. Does Wiley get any credit for that?

 

A pitching coach can only do so much. Fact is, once you get to professional ball, it's a lot of independent learning. My brother was drafted as a pitcher, (despite never being a pitcher before in his life), and what he learned in pro ball, he learned it from other teammates.

 

And that's the minor leagues. In the major leagues...how much teaching really goes on? I don't think it's as much as some of you might think, regardless of the coach.

 

 

This is true. However, I remember (I don't know when it was, earlier this year I think) hearing the analysts talk about how great Duncan (pitching coach for the Cardinals) is. They said if anyone could resurrect a pitcher it was him. Look at Ryan Franklin this year-average for most of his career-simply awesome this year.

Just from what I hear Wiley doesn't do that much.

 

 

Dave Duncan seems to be the exception. Leo Mazzone, perhaps, as well. And then there's Rudy Jaramillo, (hitting coach in Texas). Those are about the only consistent trends I see. Not many.

I really fail to see what Wiley is doing wrong.

For every Ricky Nolasco/Matt Lindstrom regression, there has been Dan Meyer/Brian Sanches progression/career year.

 

Volstad was successful last year, under Wiley. Could it be that he just hit a sophmore slump, and he has to adjust to the hitters, again? That has happened plenty of times before with other pitchers. Who else? Andrew Miller? The guy was all out of whack in the minor leagues, as well. Anibal? Kind of hard to pitch, when you keep constantly wanting to pitch through injuries. Sean West has actually exceeded my expectations. His #'s at AA aren't too hot. He's come up here and had a couple good starts in his first stint, and his second stint back up with the big club has been way better than his first. Does Wiley get any credit for that?

 

A pitching coach can only do so much. Fact is, once you get to professional ball, it's a lot of independent learning. My brother was drafted as a pitcher, (despite never being a pitcher before in his life), and what he learned in pro ball, he learned it from other teammates.

 

And that's the minor leagues. In the major leagues...how much teaching really goes on? I don't think it's as much as some of you might think, regardless of the coach.

 

 

This is true. However, I remember (I don't know when it was, earlier this year I think) hearing the analysts talk about how great Duncan (pitching coach for the Cardinals) is. They said if anyone could resurrect a pitcher it was him. Look at Ryan Franklin this year-average for most of his career-simply awesome this year.

Just from what I hear Wiley doesn't do that much.

 

 

Dave Duncan seems to be the exception. Leo Mazzone, perhaps, as well. And then there's Rudy Jaramillo, (hitting coach in Texas). Those are about the only consistent trends I see. Not many.

 

No not many at all.

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