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Last offseason, agents negotiated four contracts known to include the bonus of prohibiting the team from offering arbitration if the player received Type A status. Aside from Orlando Hudson, none of the four came close to Type A (Hudson was a B). In general, none of the 14 Type As who were offered arbitration in November saw their market adversely affected, though Jason Frasor and Frank Francisco played it safe and accepted. It was thought that Grant Balfour might have a hard time finding a deal, but the Athletics inked him for two years and $8.1MM.

 

Three contracts signed this winter prevent the team from offering arbitration if the player is a Type A at the end of the term:

 

* Javier Vazquez, ACES. The Yankees may have been counting on snagging a draft pick upon Vazquez's departure, but he slipped to Type B with a lousy 2010. If Vazquez pushes himself back to A status with a strong season for the Marlins, they won't be able to offer arbitration.

 

* Kevin Correia, Lapa/Leventhal. This agency snagged the "no arbitration offer" clause for Justin Duchscherer last offseason as well. Correia signed a two-year deal with the Pirates, so this clause applies to the 2012-13 offseason. More importantly, Correia has a million bucks in incentives for '12.

 

* Carl Pavano, O'Connell Sports Management. As a Type B after the '09 season, Pavano accepted the Twins' arbitration offer and took the one-year deal. He moved up to a Type A this winter, and the draft pick cost possibly did give a few teams pause. After the '12 season, Pavano will not be saddled with that cost.

 

* The contract was negotiated six years ago, but Scott Boras client Carlos Beltran can't be offered arbitration after '11. Beltran was pretty close to Type A for 2009-10 despite playing in only 145 games over that span. Given his $18.5MM salary the arbitration offer question is probably moot for the Mets anyway.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/players-who-cannot-be-offered-arbitration.html

 

To be a type A, you have to be ranked in the top 20% of all players by Elias based on the previous two seasons. For comparisons' sake, the lowest ranked type A starter this year was Jorge De La Rosa (4.38, 4.22 ERAs in '09 and '10) and the highest ranked type B was Vazquez himself (2.87, 5.32 ERAs in '09 and '10). In short, he's going to have to have a damn good year to make the top 20% but it's possible we'll have to give him a new contract if we want to keep him in '12.

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Last offseason, agents negotiated four contracts known to include the bonus of prohibiting the team from offering arbitration if the player received Type A status. Aside from Orlando Hudson, none of the four came close to Type A (Hudson was a B). In general, none of the 14 Type As who were offered arbitration in November saw their market adversely affected, though Jason Frasor and Frank Francisco played it safe and accepted. It was thought that Grant Balfour might have a hard time finding a deal, but the Athletics inked him for two years and $8.1MM.

 

Three contracts signed this winter prevent the team from offering arbitration if the player is a Type A at the end of the term:

 

* Javier Vazquez, ACES. The Yankees may have been counting on snagging a draft pick upon Vazquez's departure, but he slipped to Type B with a lousy 2010. If Vazquez pushes himself back to A status with a strong season for the Marlins, they won't be able to offer arbitration.

 

* Kevin Correia, Lapa/Leventhal. This agency snagged the "no arbitration offer" clause for Justin Duchscherer last offseason as well. Correia signed a two-year deal with the Pirates, so this clause applies to the 2012-13 offseason. More importantly, Correia has a million bucks in incentives for '12.

 

* Carl Pavano, O'Connell Sports Management. As a Type B after the '09 season, Pavano accepted the Twins' arbitration offer and took the one-year deal. He moved up to a Type A this winter, and the draft pick cost possibly did give a few teams pause. After the '12 season, Pavano will not be saddled with that cost.

 

* The contract was negotiated six years ago, but Scott Boras client Carlos Beltran can't be offered arbitration after '11. Beltran was pretty close to Type A for 2009-10 despite playing in only 145 games over that span. Given his $18.5MM salary the arbitration offer question is probably moot for the Mets anyway.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/players-who-cannot-be-offered-arbitration.html

 

To be a type A, you have to be ranked in the top 20% of all players by Elias based on the previous two seasons. For comparisons' sake, the lowest ranked type A starter this year was Jorge De La Rosa (4.38, 4.22 ERAs in '09 and '10) and the highest ranked type B was Vazquez himself (2.87, 5.32 ERAs in '09 and '10). In short, he's going to have to have a damn good year to make the top 20% but it's possible we'll have to give him a new contract if we want to keep him in '12.

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the arbitration offer question is probably moot for the Mets anyway.

 

Slightly off-topic, but many questions may be more than a little "moot" for the Mutts these days and for a lot of succeeding days. The federal bankruptcy trustee/receiver for Bernie Madoff's scam, Irving Picard wants 93+ million from the Mutts and a couple of hundred million more beyond that from the various Wilpons, et al. And he's gonna get it. Every single dime of it, barring some settlement for virtually all of it.

 

Settlement talks failed and there's no reason not to now litigate it for the full amount, the Wilpon, et al assets are there to be taken by judgment. To hear Picard's lawyers tell it, Wilpon, et al were hip-deep with Madoff for about 25 years. Merrill Lynch flat-out told them that Madoff wouldn't survive M-L's due diligence. Their own internal hedge fund disavowed the guy. They ignored all of that and apparently much more. Perhaps not surprising if you have 483 accounts with the guy, betwixt and between all of the various Wilpon-related entities.

 

A few days ago, rumors were that 25% of the Mutts was for sale, I suspect it's gonna take a much higher fraction than that. Meanwhile, with ownership and control turmoil and uncertainty, the Mutts ain't gonna be doing any big deals and probably not any significant deals of any kind.

 

:violin

 

Please excuse me whilst I shed a tiny tear.

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the arbitration offer question is probably moot for the Mets anyway.

 

Slightly off-topic, but many questions may be more than a little "moot" for the Mutts these days and for a lot of succeeding days. The federal bankruptcy trustee/receiver for Bernie Madoff's scam, Irving Picard wants 93+ million from the Mutts and a couple of hundred million more beyond that from the various Wilpons, et al. And he's gonna get it. Every single dime of it, barring some settlement for virtually all of it.

 

Settlement talks failed and there's no reason not to now litigate it for the full amount, the Wilpon, et al assets are there to be taken by judgment. To hear Picard's lawyers tell it, Wilpon, et al were hip-deep with Madoff for about 25 years. Merrill Lynch flat-out told them that Madoff wouldn't survive M-L's due diligence. Their own internal hedge fund disavowed the guy. They ignored all of that and apparently much more. Perhaps not surprising if you have 483 accounts with the guy, betwixt and between all of the various Wilpon-related entities.

 

A few days ago, rumors were that 25% of the Mutts was for sale, I suspect it's gonna take a much higher fraction than that. Meanwhile, with ownership and control turmoil and uncertainty, the Mutts ain't gonna be doing any big deals and probably not any significant deals of any kind.

 

:violin

 

Please excuse me whilst I shed a tiny tear.

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I've always viewed him as a 1 year player for us anyway.

 

 

If he ends up playing 2B, I figured we would see how he handles himself on and off the field before making that determination. If he does well then I see no reason not to offer him a contract.

 

Javy Vazquez, not Infante.

 

 

I don't really see the Marlins keeping him after 2012 either, between Sanabia and the other kids we should have some decent options by then.

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I've always viewed him as a 1 year player for us anyway.

 

 

If he ends up playing 2B, I figured we would see how he handles himself on and off the field before making that determination. If he does well then I see no reason not to offer him a contract.

 

Javy Vazquez, not Infante.

 

 

I don't really see the Marlins keeping him after 2012 either, between Sanabia and the other kids we should have some decent options by then.

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I've always viewed him as a 1 year player for us anyway.

 

 

If he ends up playing 2B, I figured we would see how he handles himself on and off the field before making that determination. If he does well then I see no reason not to offer him a contract.

 

Javy Vazquez, not Infante.

I don't really see the Marlins keeping him after 2012 either, between Sanabia and the other kids we should have some decent options by then.

 

LOL Every year I get two of the new guys confused until about the middle of ST for no real reason at all. I guess I have my quota filled for this year.

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I've always viewed him as a 1 year player for us anyway.

 

 

If he ends up playing 2B, I figured we would see how he handles himself on and off the field before making that determination. If he does well then I see no reason not to offer him a contract.

 

Javy Vazquez, not Infante.

I don't really see the Marlins keeping him after 2012 either, between Sanabia and the other kids we should have some decent options by then.

 

LOL Every year I get two of the new guys confused until about the middle of ST for no real reason at all. I guess I have my quota filled for this year.

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